American Pledge?

[ChrisFL]

Respectfully, like I said I know my viewpoint is different based on knowing how you feel about things from previous threads

Maybe that's a good idea for a spin off thread: "Why would any person be proud of a state or in your case province that they were born into"

that's a slippery slope....then the question can easily extend to "why would any person be proud of anything they're born into" which can point to pretty much any kind of discrimination you can think of.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

that's a slippery slope....then the question can easily extend to "why would any person be proud of anything they're born into" which can point to pretty much any kind of discrimination you can think of.

If you knew the poster's past comments regarding U.S. culture you'd get my comment more

 

[dotfurio]

All the schools in my district do it daily, some on the playground together, some on the overhead during morning announcements.

 

[TheDisneyNurse]

The you were reciting the original version of it.

Under God was added in the 50's.

Exactly that!

 

[CdnCarrie]

What was the origin of these pledges? Do they go back to 1776? Do other countries have pledges? I've only heard of the American one.

 

[kimblebee]

Respectfully, like I said I know my viewpoint is different based on knowing how you feel about things from previous threads

Maybe that's a good idea for a spin off thread: "Why would any person be proud of a state or in your case province that they were born into"

I am 100% in agreement that we can disagree. This isn’t a US thing though, it’s a general thing. I am glad I’m Canadian but I can’t take credit for being born here.

 

[tasha99]

The school I taught at in Alaska several years ago did the pledge every morning. I won't say it, but I did stand with my hand on my heart out of respect. One kid who was a Jehovah's Witness liked to come stand with me, because he wasn't allowed to say the pledge and it made him feel less odd to stand with someone else who didn't say it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What was the origin of these pledges? Do they go back to 1776? Do other countries have pledges? I've only heard of the American one.

State pledges would vary, the Pledge of Allegiance that most of us use is from 1892 though it was not formerly adopted by Congress until 1942 with "under God" added in the mid-1950s.

Origins of what we say goes further back than 1892 by a previous person who was a Civil War veteran.

1776 is around the American Revolution. (ETA: The Pledge of Allegiance is more appropriate to post Civil War times because of bringing together our country. I believe 14 states didn't officially become states until after the Civil War was over. Other states joined as a state during the Civil War as a result of the Civil War. And other states were formerly states much earlier.)

I really don't know if other countries have formal pledges TBH but other countries have oaths of allegiances and constitutional monarchies would have oaths to the monarch, same with Commonwealths where instead of allegiance to the country or state or Constitution is not done but is to the monarchy. For the U.S. our Pledge of Allegiance is just an allegiance to something different than other countries in the world and I would say who says the oaths of allegiances in other countries and how often it's said is different than in the U.S.

 

[ronandannette]

Growing up, we always did O Canada and the Lords Prayer at the start of the day. Obviously, the prayer is no longer said.

I must be a little older than you because we sang the anthem, recited the Lord's Prayer and the principal said grace over the loudspeaker before lunch at my public elementary school. We didn't even do that at my private Catholic high school.

I grew up saying the pledge to the U.S. flag and when I was in christian school...to the christian flag.

I have no further comment at this time other than I recently saw a video from Reuters about an increase in Japanese nationalism and the effort of some to return to their glory days of a stronger military (at least). They also highlighted how they have kids in a special nationalist school where they have to pledge to the Japanese flag and sing their national anthem, something which isn't really done in most of Japan anymore.

Perspective means a lot.

There's a Christian flag? Why wasn't I told?

 

[AppleDumpling]

There's a Christian flag? Why wasn't I told?

Don’t know about other denominations, but there’s definitely a Catholic flag and an Episcopal flag. I see them displayed all the time in churches.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I am 100% in agreement that we can disagree. This isn’t a US thing though, it’s a general thing. I am glad I’m Canadian but I can’t take credit for being born here.

I get what you're saying in this comment. That just wasn't the same thing you were saying before. Either way it's all good.

 

[kimblebee]

I get what you're saying in this comment. That just wasn't the same thing you were saying before. Either way it's all good.

I haven’t changed what I was saying.

 

[ronandannette]

Don’t know about other denominations, but there’s definitely a Catholic flag and an Episcopal flag. I see them displayed all the time in churches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag
I just googled the Christian flag. I was raised Catholic and have been a devout evangelical for 30 years since - never once have I seen this flag anywhere. I'm going to assume it's an American thing (created by the US Federal Council of Churches) that never really went much further.
ETA: I've been in literally hundreds of churches; the next time I visit a Catholic or Anglican church I'll specifically look to see if they have their specific one displayed.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

I am 100% in agreement that we can disagree. This isn’t a US thing though, it’s a general thing. I am glad I’m Canadian but I can’t take credit for being born here.

Exactly. I don't get the pride in being born into any country. Like an undeserved trophy where everyone wins. It's irrelevant.

 

[Wendy31]

I must be a little older than you because we sang the anthem, recited the Lord's Prayer and the principal said grace over the loudspeaker before lunch at my public elementary school. We didn't even do that at my private Catholic high school.


There's a Christian flag? Why wasn't I told?

Yes!

I grew up in a Christian school. Every Friday in chapel, we recited a pledge to the American Flag & sang "My Country 'Tis of Thee," recited a pledge to the Christian Flag & sang "Onward Christian Soldiers," & then recited a pledge to the Bible & sang "The Bible Stands."

The pledge to the Christian Flag is also a pledge to the deity (I'm trying not to get too religious) the Christian Flag represents.

I don't know if I can quote the lyrics here or not.

EDITED TO ADD - In googling, there are actually 2 different Christian flag pledges. We learned the one that doesn't have the word "brotherhood" in it.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

I must be a little older than you because we sang the anthem, recited the Lord's Prayer and the principal said grace over the loudspeaker before lunch at my public elementary school. We didn't even do that at my private Catholic high school.


There's a Christian flag? Why wasn't I told?

We only stood for Oh Canada and never recited the Lord's Prayer. I'm 52. I remember a bully jerk teacher picking up a Jehovah Witness boy by the scruff of his neck in grade six and tossing him violently out of the class because his parents and religion didn't allow him to stand. To this day the memory makes makes me sick.

 

[NYCgrrl]

What was the origin of these pledges? Do they go back to 1776? Do other countries have pledges? I've only heard of the American one.

As far as the USA pledge goes it was written after the Civil War by a New Yorker and had roots in the then prevalent nativist movement that felt some Northern European immigrants would make better citizens and residents than those from Southern and Slavic European countries. A change was made to the "American Pledge" during the Cold War to include religion; some religous sects were presecuted, civilly and criminally, over their refusal to say the pledge.

I attended lower school in this country and a private school in Barbados; there was no pledge in Barbados at the time which was shortly after it became it's own country.
My children attended school not only in this country but in Barbados (again...maybe it would take this time? LOL), France and Switzerland. No oath/pledge in any of the overseas schools but still no recall about the USA schools.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I haven’t changed what I was saying.

mmkk

 

[DisneyHardin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag
I just googled the Christian flag. I was raised Catholic and have been a devout evangelical for 30 years since - never once have I seen this flag anywhere. I'm going to assume it's an American thing (created by the US Federal Council of Churches) that never really went much further.
ETA: I've been in literally hundreds of churches; the next time I visit a Catholic or Anglican church I'll specifically look to see if they have their specific one displayed.

We have this flag on a standing flag pole at the front of our sanctuary. I go to a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). When I was a kid, during Bible School someone always processed in with the Christian flag during the opening songs and we sang "Onward Christian Soldiers."

 

[Floridaman999]

I don't remember doing the pledge after elementary school. We didn't say it in junior high or high school.