Proof The Rumors Are True!!! TCD Relocation Plans!

[takeme2epcot]

3:35 into this video from the World of Disney show is Fort Wilderness. Watch the clip and it has a good shot of the cannon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83NRuG3XV7A&feature=related

Wow! Talk about the law of attraction! I was just thinking about this show two days ago and I was wondering if it was on YouTube!

Anyway, that cannon is actually *not* the Fort cannon! It's a prop they brought in for the show.

And notice the horrible condition of the grass in front of the fort playground!

 

[Shan-man]

I agree that this is not the cannon we've been talking about from the settlement, I wonder why you would assume it's a prop for the show (for a 2 second cutaway, no less)? This cannon jibes with what a previous poster remembered: playing on a cannon near the playground that was not fenced off. I assume this was set up over near 300. The Fort apparently had, count em, two cannons!

 

[Thumper_ehhhhh]

wow and the Fort cannon plot thickens boom boom

 

[takeme2epcot]

I agree that this is not the cannon we've been talking about from the settlement, I wonder why you would assume it's a prop for the show (for a 2 second cutaway, no less)? This cannon jibes with what a previous poster remembered: playing on a cannon near the playground that was not fenced off.

I was that previous poster, and this is not the cannon I played on.

The cannon I played on was the one in the settlement area, the one another poster just posted pictures of from 1986.

Now when I said "not fenced off," allow me to clarify. There was a fence around the area, but there was a wide opening in the fence to allow people in.

You may be right -- perhaps it's not a prop, but considering how the entire scene is shot (notice all the things that did get shot for two second cut aways), plus looking at how the cannon was placed, it doesn't seem to me to be a permanent fixture.

Further -- and I'm not expert in cannons, mind you -- but that cannon appears to be out of its time period. It seems out of place.

 

[Tri-circle-D]

As mentioned earlier, I received a PM from TJM1976 with a link to this old photo:

This is clearly a photo taken from the area somewhere near the north west side of the Settlement Trading Post, looking toward the Pioneer Hall structure.
If you look in the upper left of the photo, it looks like you can possibly see a cannon wheel there in the oval fenced-in area.

I zoomed in on this section of the photo, and this is what I saw:

I see a cannon!

Do you?

But, it looks like it is pointed toward River Country, and not the marina.

TJM1976 also posted the link to the Mickey Mouse Club video. I don't recall ever seeing this one before. There are some great Fort Wilderness scenes in there, including a great shot of the Fort Wilderness Railroad in action.

Here's a screen cap of the cannon shown in the video:

There is no doubt this is a different cannon.

In viewing the scene, I don't think this is the 300 loop playground.

To me, it looks like the van is turning the corner by Crockett's Tavern, and heading toward River Country. That would put all of this stuff around the area of the Settlement playground.

TCD

 

[twinklebug]

No doubt the cannons depicted are of 2 different types. One was a type to be hooked up to be pulled by a horse, the other was stationary, to be used in a fort or on a ship.

But, this thread has gone off on a tangent... any more discoveries regarding the map and news releases regarding this development?

I agree that doubling the capacity of the fort through the addition of DVC may negatively impact the fort. With twice the number of people using the Trails End and the boats some changes and additions will need to be made. My bet is they'll add a store to the DVC, possibly a counter service area (arguable as they did not with the addition of Kidani to AKL) and they will most likely put one more boat into service.

 

[Tri-circle-D]

But, this thread has gone off on a tangent... any more discoveries regarding the map and news releases regarding this development?

Um.

This is the camping forum.

That's how we roll.

What's a tangent?

I agree that doubling the capacity of the fort through the addition of DVC may negatively impact the fort. With twice the number of people using the Trails End and the boats some changes and additions will need to be made. My bet is they'll add a store to the DVC, possibly a counter service area (arguable as they did not with the addition of Kidani to AKL) and they will most likely put one more boat into service.

If they are putting a DVC here, then there will have to be a counter service restaurant.

AKL already had a nice counter service restaurant before Kidani Village came along. Likewise the Contemporary before BLT. But the Fort does not have one. One rumor reported on another thread was that the current Fort restaurant, Trail's End, will be completely shut down and replaced by a gift shop, with a brand new restaurant being added with the new construction. I kind of believe this rumor, as the Trail's End restaurant is very dated, and is not very busy at breakfast or lunch.

TCD

 

[Lil' Lisa]

Um.

This is the camping forum.

That's how we roll.

What's a tangent?

TCD

tan·gent
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dʒənt/ Show Spelled[tan-juh

nt] Show IPA
–adjective 1. in immediate physical contact; touching.

2. Geometry . a. touching at a single point, as a tangent in relation to a curve or surface.

b. in contact along a single line or element, as a plane with a cylinder.



3. tangential ( def. 3 ) .


–noun 4. Geometry . a line or a plane that touches a curve or a surface at a point so that it is closer to the curve in the vicinity of the point than any other line or plane drawn through the point.

5. Trigonometry . a. (in a right triangle) the ratio of the side opposite a given angle to the side adjacent to the angle.

b. Also called tan. (of an angle) a trigonometric function equal to the ratio of the ordinate of the end point of the arc to the abscissa of this end point, the origin being at the center of the circle on which the arc lies and the initial point of the arc being on the x-axis. Abbreviation: tg, tgn

c. (originally) a straight line perpendicular to the radius of a circle at one end of an arc and extending from this point to the produced radius which cuts off the arc at its other end.



6. the upright metal blade, fastened on the inner end of a clavichord key, that rises and strikes the string when the outer end of the key is depressed.


—Idiom
7. off on

/

ata tangent, digressing suddenly from one course of action or thought and turning to another: The speaker flew off on a tangent.


Origin:
1585–90; < L tangent- (s. of tangēns, prp. of tangere to touch) in phrase līnea tangēns touching line; see -ent

—Related forms quasi-tangent, adjective

—Can be confused:   circumference, diameter, radius, tangent .

—Synonyms
1. meeting, abutting.





I would go with number 7

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Hi Folks,

I have a question regarding how long the online reservation system has referred to FW As *The Campsites at Fort Wilderness* and not just *Fort Wilderess*

The wording *The Campsites at Fort Wilderness * bring to mind the possiblity that the new resort may be made part of FW? and not have a different name

AKK

 

[jjbescher]

If they are putting a DVC here, then there will have to be a counter service restaurant.

AKL already had a nice counter service restaurant before Kidani Village came along. Likewise the Contemporary before BLT. But the Fort does not have one. One rumor reported on another thread was that the current Fort restaurant, Trail's End, will be completely shut down and replaced by a gift shop, with a brand new restaurant being added with the new construction. I kind of believe this rumor, as the Trail's End restaurant is very dated, and is not very busy at breakfast or lunch.

TCD

Neither Villas at Wilderness Lodge or even Beach Club Villas have their own restaurant (Table or Counter service). Beach Club made their marketplace (Gift Shop) have food and a drink station, but Wilderness Lodge did not. When staying at either place, you have to go to the main part of the resort to get food.

jon

 

[Tri-circle-D]

tan·gent
   https://secure.reference.com/sso/register_pop.html?source=favorites/ˈtæn

dʒənt/ Show Spelled[tan-juh

nt] Show IPA
–adjective 1. in immediate physical contact; touching.

2. Geometry . a. touching at a single point, as a tangent in relation to a curve or surface.

b. in contact along a single line or element, as a plane with a cylinder.



3. tangential ( def. 3 ) .


–noun 4. Geometry . a line or a plane that touches a curve or a surface at a point so that it is closer to the curve in the vicinity of the point than any other line or plane drawn through the point.

5. Trigonometry . a. (in a right triangle) the ratio of the side opposite a given angle to the side adjacent to the angle.

b. Also called tan. (of an angle) a trigonometric function equal to the ratio of the ordinate of the end point of the arc to the abscissa of this end point, the origin being at the center of the circle on which the arc lies and the initial point of the arc being on the x-axis. Abbreviation: tg, tgn

c. (originally) a straight line perpendicular to the radius of a circle at one end of an arc and extending from this point to the produced radius which cuts off the arc at its other end.



6. the upright metal blade, fastened on the inner end of a clavichord key, that rises and strikes the string when the outer end of the key is depressed.


—Idiom
7. off on

/

ata tangent, digressing suddenly from one course of action or thought and turning to another: The speaker flew off on a tangent.


Origin:
1585–90; < L tangent- (s. of tangēns, prp. of tangere to touch) in phrase līnea tangēns touching line; see -ent

—Related forms quasi-tangent, adjective

—Can be confused:   circumference, diameter, radius, tangent .

—Synonyms
1. meeting, abutting.





I would go with number 7

Thank you professor.

I asked that question in jest.

But, I learned something- definition #6 is new to me. And, now I have to ask at the risk of starting us off on another tangent:

What is a clavichord?

Hi Folks,

I have a question regarding how long the online reservation system has referred to FW As *The Campsites at Fort Wilderness* and not just *Fort Wilderess*

The wording *The Campsites at Fort Wilderness * bring to mind the possiblity that the new resort may be made part of FW? and not have a different name

AKK

Maybe.

Or, it could just be to distinguish the Campsites at Fort Wilderness from the Cabins at Fort Wilderness.

As I recall, the distinction has been made ever since the on-line reservation system became available.

Neither Villas at Wilderness Lodge or even Beach Club Villas have their own restaurant (Table or Counter service). Beach Club made their marketplace (Gift Shop) have food and a drink station, but Wilderness Lodge did not. When staying at either place, you have to go to the main part of the resort to get food.

jon

I know that.

My point is that that all DVC resort guests have easy access to a quick serve restaurant. In every case where DVC rooms have been added to an existing resort, the quick serve restaurant is located in the pre-exitsting resort.

Fort Wilderness has no such restaurant.

Yet.

TCD

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Thank TCD,

If it has been that way awhile.its most likely just the status quot!

My friend we have not always agreed on everything, but I bow to your great knowledge on FW! and lots of other stuff for that matter!

AKK

 

[HockeyKat]

I know that.

My point is that that all DVC resort guests have easy access to a quick serve restaurant. In every case where DVC rooms have been added to an existing resort, the quick serve restaurant is located in the pre-exitsting resort.

Fort Wilderness has no such restaurant.

Yet.

TCD

I am going to disagree here. Kidani Village does not have what I consider "easy access" to a QS restaurant. Getting on a bus or walking 15-20 minutes on a virtually umarked, through the parking lot type path, isn't really easy access to me.

BWV has the same issue. I guess you do have the Spoodles pizza window and the cash-only wagons, but no real QS restaurant.

 

[DenLo]

. . . . .
My point is that that all DVC resort guests have easy access to a quick serve restaurant. In every case where DVC rooms have been added to an existing resort, the quick serve restaurant is located in the pre-exitsting resort.

Fort Wilderness has no such restaurant.

Yet.

TCD

Perhaps the new resort will have it's own QS restaurant that the Fort guests would use as well. But like others have mentioned not all DVC members are happy with the availability or location of a QS restaurant in the current resorts. We sound a bit pampered don't we? I have to admit I'm always amazed when DVC members complain about the length of walk from their rooms or to a restaurant when they walk miles each day at the parks.

 

[Debbie Jean]

Perhaps the new resort will have it's own QS restaurant that the Fort guests would use as well. But like others have mentioned not all DVC members are happy with the availability or location of a QS restaurant in the current resorts. We sound a bit pampered don't we? I have to admit I'm always amazed when DVC members complain about the length of walk from their rooms or to a restaurant when they walk miles each day at the parks.

I think it's because they walk miles in the parks that they don't want to have to do it to get to a QS at their resort

I use a scooter so the trip over to Jambo from Kidani isn't really as much an issue But you know it's a hike when they tell you that there is also bus service you can use

Seriously, with a couple of exceptions, DVC really doesn't do QS very well... neither the Mara or Artist Pallette are large nor do they have particularly varied menus, though I like both. DVC does much better with TS offerings... and Room Service. It would surprise me... in a good way ... if there was a really good QS at the new resort.

 

[proudmomof4]

I don't know if this means anything but a few days ago I received an e-mail invite to a survey specifically about food and beverage offerings at Fort Wilderness.

The survey gave me 12 different scenarios with 4 different "restaurant" options in each scenario, I had to pick one "most likely" to eat at and one "least likely" to eat at in each scenario.

 

[Doug7856]

I don't know if this means anything but a few days ago I received an e-mail invite to a survey specifically about food and beverage offerings at Fort Wilderness.

The survey gave me 12 different scenarios with 4 different "restaurant" options in each scenario, I had to pick one "most likely" to eat at and one "least likely" to eat at in each scenario.

Can I ask what some of the scenarios and "restaurant" option were in the survey?

 

[proudmomof4]

Can I ask what some of the scenarios and "restaurant" option were in the survey?

The 12 scenarios were basically "if you had the following 4 options to choose from which one would you most likely choose and which would you least likely choose?"

The 4 choices were various combinations from (I have to kind paraphrase as I don't remember their exact wording):

A fine dining establishment with multi course meals and fine wines

Dinner show

Character dining

Buffet

Quick Service (burgers, pizzas, salads, etc)

Food Court (similar to Value and Mod resorts)

An American Bar and Grill type place (I pictured something like TGIFridays or
Applebees or like Crocketts Tavern used to be)

International dining(Japanese, Mexican, Chinese, etc)

An expanded pool bar and grill with more food and adult drink options

A specialty coffee and pastry type cafe

And I think there may have been a place that was more geared to adults with drinks and appetizers offered, but I may have that confused with the TGIFridays like place.

 

[Lil' Lisa]

I don't know if this means anything but a few days ago I received an e-mail invite to a survey specifically about food and beverage offerings at Fort Wilderness.

The survey gave me 12 different scenarios with 4 different "restaurant" options in each scenario, I had to pick one "most likely" to eat at and one "least likely" to eat at in each scenario.

I got the same one. It was one of those psych tests where you felt like they were asking you the same question over and over again in different ways!

 

[proudmomof4]

I got the same one. It was one of those psych tests where you felt like they were asking you the same question over and over again in different ways!

Funny, yes that is what it felt like.

Hopefully it means something though, but knowing the way things are handled at the fort, probably not.