Any Reformed FP- Uber Users Who Have Embraced FP+ ?

[wisblue]

Wis, how can anyone trust your recollection of what happened last summer if you can't even remember a post from yesterday?

I didn't say I was "leaving the discussion" - I said:

My memory is just fine, thank you. To use your term, there was no "malicious intent" involved when I apparently misunderstood your comment to "stop the nonsense" as meaning that you were leaving the discussion.

And, how can we trust your credibility when you didn't "stop the nonsense" either? Or, when you edit posts and add words that didn't appear in them and present them as direct quotes?

 

[Mikie]

Not sure if this is off topic (who could tell at this point in this thread?

For all who even generally agree with the idea that you get about 3 good rides and not much else you consider good - please share what you will consider an acceptable wait for a ride? I am not asking you to list every individual attraction, but im guessing you may have a general li,it for your top tier, your mid tier and maybe a "i'll only do this walk-on" group.

It would greatly help me place myself on the spectrum of whether i'd decide there's nothing worth waiting for and leave, or whether i have different threshold for waiting and therefore a different asessment of the negative FP+ impact. Thanks!!

 

[DisneyKidds]

Yes the FP+ detractors are nothing but a bunch of manipulative so and so's!

No, not all of them. Not even very many of them.

 

[Laketravis]

Another tactic - base criticisms of and propose theoretical questions about a comment on conditions not related to the comment at all in an attempt to neutralize. More often referred to as a Straw Man argument.

A very competent PR Team indeed. I'm also impressed how they rally in almost synchronized unison.

 

[wisblue]

Did you go to school for this? Your posts are loaded with the most manipulative wording I have ever seen. It's all backhanded.
First you start out in every responsen agreeing with the poster. Then the second phase is the ad campaign for Disney's FP+. But to do this you try to convince everyone that you are wholly benevolent and impartial and you appreciate reading about everyone's experiences, both positive and negative. In this phase you also include positives about your FP+ experiences.

Finally you move into phase three or as I like to call it the attack phase of your posts. This is when you accuse "others" of sweeping generalizations and gross exaggerations when they report negative FP+ experiences. So in other words you try to convince your audience why you are right and the FP+ detractors are wrong. Every post follows the same pattern.

Yes the FP+ detractors are nothing but a bunch of manipulative so and so's! Just curious, who's paying you to post? Whoever they are, they should demand a refund.

Funny, I could say pretty much the same things about some others on this board who you agree with every step of the way, no matter what they say.

Nobody is saying that ALL of the FP+ detractors are manipulative so and so's. But, there might be at least one.

Apparently you endorse the practice of lifting a comment out of context, editing it, and presenting it as an exact quote. Or, would you agree that that is not appropriate and identify who did that?

 

[Laketravis]

Obviously some of us are not as skilled in the finer points of Public Relations and would not recognize a snafu like that. But an expert tasked with dissecting every less than glowing post for required rebuttals and neutralization would certainly make an issue of it and cast it as a sinister and cagey plan to take down the Mother Ship!

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

I have now used FP+ on two trips (July and December of 2014). Advantages of the old system is you could get FP for popular rides more than one per day. Advantage of the new system is you end up being able to get more (I have found) FP over the course of the day as you don't have to wait until the FP window on our ticket to get another. I also like the fact that I don't have to use any paper (I am big on the environment and saving resources) on the FP+ system. It is right there on my phone (even if I do it at the park I just take a screen shot of the screen.).

 

[DisneyKidds]

Or, when you edit posts and add words that didn't appear in them and present them as direct quotes?

Thank you, glad I'm not the only one who saw that! Saw something in one of Lake's posts yesterday I wanted to respond to, and when I went back to find/quote it it wasn't there! Clarifying statements, rewording his "poor choices of word", editing his posts as the conversation continues......all multiple times in one thread?

 

[Laketravis]

Thank you, glad I'm not the only one who saw that! Saw something in one of Lake's posts yesterday I wanted to respond to, and when I went back to find/quote it it wasn't there! Clarifying statements, rewording his "poor choices of words", editing his posts as the conversation continues......all multiple times in one thread?

Gee, sorry about that. I type with my tongue and sometimes the software doesn't get it quite right. I'll try to do better in the future and not be such a burden on the PR Team.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Did you go to school for this? Your posts are loaded with the most manipulative wording I have ever seen. It's all backhanded. First you start out in every responsen agreeing with the poster. Then the second phase is the ad campaign for Disney's FP+. But to do this you try to convince everyone that you are wholly benevolent and impartial and you appreciate reading about everyone's experiences, both positive and negative. In this phase you also include positives about your FP+ experiences. Finally you move into phase three or as I like to call it the attack phase of your posts. This is when you accuse "others" of sweeping generalizations and gross exaggerations when they report negative FP+ experiences. So in other words you try to convince your audience why you are right and the FP+ detractors are wrong. Every post follows the same pattern. Yes the FP+ detractors are nothing but a bunch of manipulative so and so's! Just curious, who's paying you to post? Whoever they are, they should demand a refund.

Look for common ground, lay out the facts as I know them to be, and call it like I see it. I think it's an ok formula! Really, what exactly in my post do you disagree with Su....Su....Suvadoo?

 

[MrInfinity]

Not sure if this is off topic (who could tell at this point in this thread?

For all who even generally agree with the idea that you get about 3 good rides and not much else you consider good - please share what you will consider an acceptable wait for a ride? I am not asking you to list every individual attraction, but im guessing you may have a general li,it for your top tier, your mid tier and maybe a "i'll only do this walk-on" group.

It would greatly help me place myself on the spectrum of whether i'd decide there's nothing worth waiting for and leave, or whether i have different threshold for waiting and therefore a different asessment of the negative FP+ impact. Thanks!!

Hi Mikie,
I base my "wait tolerance" on a lot of things. I remember going to WDW when I was a kid, and the Space Mountain ride snaked outside the building and across Tomorrowland. We easily waited an hour. In 2010, we went to WDW, and waited an hour to get on the Haunted Mansion. Now, we took the Graveyard path, unknowing (silly us) that it was the longer. But it was interesting to see. We tried to wait for Test Track, waited a half-hour, got up to the part where you started to go in the building, and it closed. Bummer. If I go to Great America, yes, the line to the Goliath is over an hour. We go to the Dells, the line to every major water slide was a half hour or more.

So today, I'm older, more mature, and pretty knowledgeable about how to get around, and I'm also pretty calculating, in that I can figure out ways to beat most crowds. If we get lunch at a museum, I won't go at noon, cuz that's when everyone else goes. Typical touring strategy. We'll go at 11, and it's dead still.

I use the same things at WDW. How much am I willing to wait? I'd say, typically...

Top ride (SDMT, Space, Splash, Soarin, TT, EE)... 60 min.
Mid ride (HM, Pirates, Astro, Speedway, Small World)... 30 min.
Quick ride (People Mover, LWTL, Stitch)... 10 min.

That's standby. In practice, I find I'm not generally getting stuck in those lines, because of FastPass, Rope Drop, etc. I can get there early, and ride the top rides in 5 min, ramping up to the 60 by a couple hours after opening. And using FastPass in the middle of the day, I avoid what I used to have to do in the middle of the day which was ride things like Pirates and HM, cuz coasters used to have a long line midday. Now they still do, but you can reserve Fast Passes for them ahead of time! This in turn means that I'm riding the B rides during times I used to do A rides, which means I get on those faster too!

For example, one day I rope dropped the Circus area. Why? Cuz nobody else does that! We rode the Barnstormer and Dumbo lots, walked out toward the Mermaid, rod that, and then by the time our midday Fast Passes to ride Peter Pan and see the princesses hit, we were back to Fantasyland. You plan a reasonable strategy, and the trip can be both relaxing and productive.

There's a lot of things factoring in here. Since I can now do A rides (by FastPass) when I used to have to do B rides, I can now pick up the B rides faster by riding them at even better times.

Consider this too... in my 3 modern-day trips, I have ~not once~ waited over 20 min for Space Mountain. How is that? People quote SM lines being 75 min. Yet we ride it many times on a trip, and you know the game thingys kids can play with while you wait? My kids want to stop and play those because they've never gotten to! The line is always up to past the game things when we ride. So even tho my tolerance would be 60 min to ride SM, and some quote that to ride SM you have to wait this long, we certainly are never having to do so.

All this plays in to just how effective FastPass can be if you embrace it, study it, and figure it out. That's all it takes... instead of saying it sucks to everyone who shares ideas on how to use it better, actually try to use some of the ideas. Instead of trying to replicate the way one travelled with FP-, look at how FP+ can save you time, and what that time savings gets applied to. It's not a direct standby line comparison. With FP+, you are saving 10 min here, 10 min there, and you add them up, and apply that time to another ride and you see you're getting on quite a lot in the end. Even tho it's in a very different way than some are used to.

 

[Suvadoo]

Funny, I could say pretty much the same things about some others on this board who you agree with every step of the way, no matter what they say.

Nobody is saying that ALL of the FP+ detractors are manipulative so and so's. But, there might be at least one.

Apparently you endorse the practice of lifting a comment out of context, editing it, and presenting it as an exact quote. Or, would you agree that that is not appropriate and identify who did that?

The reason I don't respond to you is most of the time I don't undestand what you're trying to say, like now for example.
But the post you are responding to was directed at only one person and no one else, you included.

 

[wisblue]

Thank you, glad I'm not the only one who saw that! Saw something in one of Lake's posts yesterday I wanted to respond to, and when I went back to find/quote it it wasn't there! Clarifying statements, rewording his "poor choices of words", editing his posts as the conversation continues......all multiple times in one thread?

I'm not going to get excited about somebody editing his own posts, especially when it's done right after it's posted. I do that a lot myself when I look at the post and decide to reword something to make it clearer or to add another thought without starting a whole new post. I suppose the same thing could happen if you post something and then decide that you'd rather not include that in your post.

What I was referring to specifically was LT lifting a part out of one of my posts, then editing it and presenting it in a "quote box" so that it looked like what he had quoted was exactly what I had said, when it clearly wasn't. He claimed there was no malicious intent because he thought (and I disagreed) that he wasn't changing the meaning. But, regardless, I happen to think that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing and knew that if he had included the entire sentence it wouldn't have supported his point as well.

When I see a tactic like that, a claim that someone wants a "civil and amicable discussion" sounds pretty hollow.

 

[wisblue]

The reason I don't respond to you is most of the time I don't undestand what you're trying to say, like now for example.
But the post you are responding to was directed at only one person and no one else, you included.

My comment wasn't directed at you either.

If you see something else I just posted, you will see me explain exactly what I was referring to.

 

[DisneyKidds]

I'm not going to get excited about somebody editing his own posts, especially when it's done right after it's posted. I do that a lot myself.....

Agreed, it happens. Things were glitchy at one point yesterday and I had the hardest time finishing on of my lengthy diatribes that kept 'submitting' while I was typing. I also correct my own grammar and spelling. But to change the substance of a post.....no, that's shady IMHO, and it happens.

 

[DisneyKidds]

What I was referring to specifically was LT lifting a part out of one of my posts, then editing it and presenting it in a "quote box" so that it looked like what he had quoted was exactly what I had said, when it clearly wasn't.

And that is even worse.

 

[grimley1968]

At the risk of having my character questioned, I'll jump in, and probably right back out. I was alarmed years ago when WDW first started allowing people to make ADR's longer than 30 days before a trip. Of course that meant that for the most popular restaurants you had to make those ADR's 30, then 90 and finally 180 days out. I have no idea right now what I'll be in the mood for on February 15, much less for July 15. I don't understand why being on vacation means I'll have any better idea. The effect on us has been to push us to offsite dining for sit-down meals or just making the most of counter service.

I have only used FP+ for one trip, while the legacy FP machines were still around in October 2013. It was awesome then, because we used it as a backup to make sure we could get 3 marquee rides, but we still mostly used the legacy system then, partially because we switched some of our park days around and didn't feel like messing around with MDE on our vacation to edit the FP+'s. Looking at a smart phone screen trying to make changes to FPs is too much like work for me. I'd prefer not to ever have to look at that smart phone on vacation except for calling my family. And now, in order to make the most of all these reservation systems, we're expected to know what parks we want to go to on which days 2 months out, have any ADR's already made 4 months previously, and now know which rides we want to experience 2 months away. IMHO, that's 3 steps too far in terms of planning.

With legacy FP we almost never made rope drop, yet still found a way to get FP's for everything we wanted to ride, and standby lines for minor rides were significantly less than what I see reported now. This was after deciding (usually that morning) which park we wanted to go to, depending on weather, our mood, what we felt like eating, etc.

We're going to try to keep our reservations for October of this year, but I'm truly dreading the planning of park days (too bad mother nature can't provide an accurate forecast 2 months or 6 months out), ADR's and FP's. If I am not pleasantly surprised with the positive aspects of FP+ (and I admit there are some - it's just that the planning of it all makes my head hurt), it may be our last WDW vacation for a long, long time.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I have no experience with long kiosk lines, but yesterday there was no line at a FP+ kiosk and I ended up with 5 FPs for RnRC 2 hours into the future. Not too shabby.

It's one of the slowest times of the year right now--yesterday was a 2 on the Easywdw scale!--and as I noted above, FP+ seems to work best when crowds are low (like what we experienced in August). In mid December, with moderate crowds, there was nothing available at DHS that wasn't named Muppets when we tried to pull 4th FP+s on two different days. Not even for Star Tours, which was shocking to me, because we pulled FP+s for that ride like crazy in August (11 rides in two days ). My beef with the system is that it "works" when you need it least. I just looked, and RNRC has a current wait time of 25 minutes. Just now, I was able to get a FP+ for it for my family of four 20 minutes in the future--not too shabby. If the system had that availability in December, I would have been happy. But once you get to a moderate crowd level, the fact that Disney's ride capacity is seriously lacking becomes readily apparent.

Oh, and I should note that even on a day like today, with an actual wait time for TSM of 35 minutes, there are no FP+s available for it for even one person.

 

[wisblue]

At the risk of having my character questioned, I'll jump in, and probably right back out. I was alarmed years ago when WDW first started allowing people to make ADR's longer than 30 days before a trip. Of course that meant that for the most popular restaurants you had to make those ADR's 30, then 90 and finally 180 days out. I have no idea right now what I'll be in the mood for on February 15, much less for July 15. I don't understand why being on vacation means I'll have any better idea. The effect on us has been to push us to offsite dining for sit-down meals or just making the most of counter service.

I have only used FP+ for one trip, while the legacy FP machines were still around in October 2013. It was awesome then, because we used it as a backup to make sure we could get 3 marquee rides, but we still mostly used the legacy system then, partially because we switched some of our park days around and didn't feel like messing around with MDE on our vacation to edit the FP+'s. Looking at a smart phone screen trying to make changes to FPs is too much like work for me. I'd prefer not to ever have to look at that smart phone on vacation except for calling my family. And now, in order to make the most of all these reservation systems, we're expected to know what parks we want to go to on which days 2 months out, have any ADR's already made 4 months previously, and now know which rides we want to experience 2 months away. IMHO, that's 3 steps too far in terms of planning.

With legacy FP we almost never made rope drop, yet still found a way to get FP's for everything we wanted to ride, and standby lines for minor rides were significantly less than what I see reported now. This was after deciding (usually that morning) which park we wanted to go to, depending on weather, our mood, what we felt like eating, etc.

We're going to try to keep our reservations for October of this year, but I'm truly dreading the planning of park days (too bad mother nature can't provide an accurate forecast 2 months or 6 months out), ADR's and FP's. If I am not pleasantly surprised with the positive aspects of FP+ (and I admit there are some - it's just that the planning of it all makes my head hurt), it may be our last WDW vacation for a long, long time.

No, that's a perfectly reasonable post because you explained what you are concerned about, and why.

 

[jeffbear]

What I was referring to specifically was LT lifting a part out of one of my posts, then editing it and presenting it in a "quote box" so that it looked like what he had quoted was exactly what I had said, when it clearly wasn't.

Yeah ... about that.

I've moderated various message boards for 15 years off and on. That right there gets you suspended from virtually every board I've ever worked on.

Not even close to kosher.