Would you consider this line cutting?

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Delmar, your little ones can squeeze past me in any line if they have to go potty. That is just compassion for the little guys!

 

[gillenkl]

I think it's proper etiquette to wait for your entire party before entering a ride queue.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

First off I wanted to let everyone know that in my previous post I did NOT use a swear word but it starred it out anyhow. I don't mind crowds in general and they are to normally be expected at WDW. I guess what gets my "panties in a bunch" is when people assume that everyone has the same ability to get a table on a peak season day when its crowded. I personally don't normally go to QS and when I have it has been at off times so it isn't crowded. But yeah, I would be frustrated by people who (during the busiest times of the year and times of day) would sit down without regard for the whole situation. Single people can't send someone to get a spot for them and it does get frustrating when you are searching for 10 or more mins. and your food gets cold. Sure, I suppose they could sit on the curb and try to balance the tray on their knees and eat, but that is pretty harsh. I get that some people can't stand in line because of medical conditions, but what made me annoyed was the response on the board. The resounding posts with the attitudes that its a hassle to have them and their kids wait in line for their food or wait off to the side until they have their food, no matter how busy it is. Also to the person who made the comment that the single people get perks because they don't have to deal with kids, if you didn't want to deal with the kids at WDW then you shouldn't bring them, however there aren't too many perks especially when you've been waiting in a line to see your favorite character only to be trampled by a bunch of kids that don't want to wait in line. Response that seems to be given for that is that WDW is for kids and that it isn't as magical to an adult so the single person/adult should get use to it. Not too cool.

I have been reading this thread with interest but I had to respond to this.
We are considerate people. We will help others, offer seats etc. The thing that absolutely cracked me up reading this post is the suggestion that people with children wait to the side while the other adult goes and orders. The reason I am laughing is because we have 5 kids. Picturing us standing on the side looking like a scene in Oliver or The Sound of Music is hysterical.
Please sir may I have some more?
We split up. One adult goes to get a table while the other and maybe one child gets the food. When we find the table we have to set up. We usually have to get napkins, straws, ketchup etc. Then we have to get things ready for the baby to eat. Oh did I mention that we also have a double stroller and a single stroller? So I have to situate that as well. Then we have to clean hands etc. Usually when we are halfway through this the other one of us comes with the food. Then one of us has to get up and take some of the children to the bathroom. Then when we come back usually another child has to go to the bathroom or needs a diaper change. I sure hope nobody sits on our seat when we get up to go! Then we eat, clean up, and leave.
I cannot see how it would be better for whole families to mill around the food counters rather than a person placing an order and moving along.

I also have not seen any kids trampling people to get to a character. Our experience has been the opposite. The kids are usually very well behaved and the adults are the ones that take a photo session like Annie Leibowitz is going to put them on the cover of Vogue. However to each their own and I do not begrudge anyone who wants to enjoy their time at WDW. I actually think it is cute when adults can still have the excitement of a child over something.

ETA- If you want to sit down in the one empty chair with us you better be prepared to share because my kids will be hungry.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Still trying to find where anyone thought it was funny to suggest leaving one's kids home... pending that, I'm surprised I missed this statement

I don't think that you can eat in the time that it would take me walk with my food and collect a few things from the topping bar... I would prefer not to sit in your lap

Nobody said that. The issue is people who walk into a CS location where the wait for food is twenty or more minutes and immediately proceed to occupy a table - despite not possibly being able to use that table to eat the food purchased at that restaurant for at least twenty more minutes.

Meanwhile, the Guests who got in line twenty minutes ago, and now have their food, have nowhere to sit and eat it.

Why? Because the people who won't have their food for at least twenty minutes are afraid they won't have a table at which to sit and eat twenty minutes from now, when their food is ready?

Why? Because people are taking up tables twenty minutes in advance in anticipation of their food arriving, while they SEE others with trays of food, walking around and around in circles, futilely seeking a place to sit eat - seats they can't find.

Why? Because people sat down as soon as they walked into the restaurant and a table became available, ahead of the Guests laden down by trays of food, while someone else in their party got in the lonnnnnnnnng line to order/pay for/pick up their own food... in twenty minutes or so.

Why? Because oh-no-what-if-nobody-ever-left-the-restaurant-for-the-rest-of-the-day - something that's NEVER, EVER happend - and when their food arrived there was nowhere to sit, let's just ignore all those people with the now-cold burgers and soup, melted ice cream, and what-have-you who are either considerate enough not to grab a table without food, or, whose travel situations don't allow for the narcissistic* table saver.

* Yes, applicable

 

[kaytieeldr]

Lol, was it funny when pixiegirl said I shouldn't bring kids if I don't want to deal with the negatives involved?

You know what? I've spent the last half hour trying to find this statement. Now, I've been awake since about four AM, and only slept for about three and a half hours. Maybe it's here and I'm just not seeing it. I've skimmed the last four pages and I don't even see a POST from Pixiegirl . So if you'll be so kind as to provide a link...

 

[wcjoey43]

yes id say its line cutting

 

[Mickeyorbust]

Yes, it's line cutting. If it's one or two people trying to get back to their group already in line I don't have a problem with. It's when they have one person "place hold" in line and the rest of their group tries to but through I have a problem.

Last trip to MK in line for thunder mountain a little girl 8 or 9 was pushing through the line and everyone let her assuming she was trying to catch up with her family. Then she comes through again. Third time through I wasn't going to stand for it and was prepared to say something to her. The woman behind me beat me to it. Asked the girl who she was trying to catch up with. When the girl didn't answer the woman told her she was doing wrong and told her she needed to wait in line like everyone else. The little girl left. While in line for Splash mountain I see the same little girl pushing through the line. When she got to me I told her she wasn't going to do that here either.

 

[maxiesmom]

hmm, is it ok if they are polite, apologetic and don't push past..and they had to make a bathroom stop?

No it isn't ever ok to push past people in line if you were never in line to start with.

I'm not suprised that the table savers don't want to see that they are the ones that cause the back log at the counter service places. People save tables because they are afraid they won't have a place to eat. Yet they are the ones causing there to not be tables available. Everything would flow much better if people didn't have to walk around with trays full of food while people that don't yet have their food take up space.

I guess it is a simple case of not wanting to see they are a problem, and not caring they are causing one.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

First off I wanted to let everyone know that in my previous post I did NOT use a swear word but it starred it out anyhow. I don't mind crowds in general and they are to normally be expected at WDW. I guess what gets my "panties in a bunch" is when people assume that everyone has the same ability to get a table on a peak season day when its crowded. I personally don't normally go to QS and when I have it has been at off times so it isn't crowded. But yeah, I would be frustrated by people who (during the busiest times of the year and times of day) would sit down without regard for the whole situation. Single people can't send someone to get a spot for them and it does get frustrating when you are searching for 10 or more mins. and your food gets cold. Sure, I suppose they could sit on the curb and try to balance the tray on their knees and eat, but that is pretty harsh. I get that some people can't stand in line because of medical conditions, but what made me annoyed was the response on the board. The resounding posts with the attitudes that its a hassle to have them and their kids wait in line for their food or wait off to the side until they have their food, no matter how busy it is. Also to the person who made the comment that the single people get perks because they don't have to deal with kids, if you didn't want to deal with the kids at WDW then you shouldn't bring them, however there aren't too many perks especially when you've been waiting in a line to see your favorite character only to be trampled by a bunch of kids that don't want to wait in line. Response that seems to be given for that is that WDW is for kids and that it isn't as magical to an adult so the single person/adult should get use to it. Not too cool.

For Miss Katieelddr. Sorry I didn't check back in last night.This was in response to my comment that there are positives and negatives in traveling alone or with a group.

OT, sorry you are tired. I have insomnia, and it sucks to not feel rested.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Say it with me...

"I am in Disney, the happiest place on earth. IF a FP runner or mommy with a little one who had to go potty has to cut me to catch up with their family in line ahead of me, I will not be upset. I will be happy that I have a meal in front of me and a drink in the scorching heat."

Seriously, can't we just be happy that we're in Disney? There's people that will never get to have this experience. Are there times that I get annoyed at Disney if someone shoves me without saying excuse me? Yes, but does it ruin my vacation? No! If people are sitting at a table waiting for another person from their party to arrive with food while I have my tray in my hand, o well, its life, I am sure someone is getting up soon or I'll find a bench.
Its life, just enjoy your Disney vacation.

 

[ilvdznee]

Who cares...Your in Disneyworld!!

 

[livndisney]

Say it with me...

"I am in Disney, the happiest place on earth. IF a FP runner or mommy with a little one who had to go potty has to cut me to catch up with their family in line ahead of me, I will not be upset. I will be happy that I have a meal in front of me and a drink in the scorching heat."

Seriously, can't we just be happy that we're in Disney? There's people that will never get to have this experience. Are there times that I get annoyed at Disney if someone shoves me without saying excuse me? Yes, but does it ruin my vacation? No! If people are sitting at a table waiting for another person from their party to arrive with food while I have my tray in my hand, o well, its life, I am sure someone is getting up soon or I'll find a bench.
Its life, just enjoy your Disney vacation.

Say it with me- "I will be kind to others and wait just like everyone else. Just because I am on vacation does not mean a vacation from common sense".

I will realise I am at the Happiest place on Earth-but so are these OTHER people. I will set a good example for my child and SHOW them how to be patient. I will enjoy the time I spend with my family on vacation (isn't that kind of the point?)

 

[ilvdznee]

Say it with me- "I will be kind to others and wait just like everyone else. Just because I am on vacation does not mean a vacation from common sense".

I will realise I am at the Happiest place on Earth-but so are these OTHER people. I will set a good example for my child and SHOW them how to be patient. I will enjoy the time I spend with my family on vacation (isn't that kind of the point?)

I really feel sorry for people that sit around worrying about what is line skipping & what other people are doing with their kids. We just do what we think is right & don't get worked up over other people...besides we were in line at the safari ride & someones dh & dd sone came up at the last min to be with the wife & dtr & the cm had no problem with letting them through at all. I just try to go with the flow...otherwise I could get so worked up over the rudeness of so many people there that it would ruin my vacation...I don't let it.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Say it with me- "I will be kind to others and wait just like everyone else. Just because I am on vacation does not mean a vacation from common sense".

I will realise I am at the Happiest place on Earth-but so are these OTHER people. I will set a good example for my child and SHOW them how to be patient. I will enjoy the time I spend with my family on vacation (isn't that kind of the point?)

Yes but seriously, are you going to be rude to another parent b/c her kid had to go potty after waiting for 20 minutes to see the fairies and tell this mother to go wait in the back of line even if her hubby and 2 other kids are up there? I sure hope not.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Also to the person who made the comment that the single people get perks because they don't have to deal with kids, if you didn't want to deal with the kids at WDW then you shouldn't bring them, however there aren't too many perks

Thanks, I see the reasons I couldn't find this on my own. The poster being quoted isn't making a joke of the (often) necessity of traveling alone; nor is she making a joke of suggesting people who want the presumed 'perks' of traveling solo therefore travel without kids.

While the solo traveler or the sole adult with only small children logistically can't put themselves in the place of the multi-adult plus children party, the reverse CAN be done. It would be appreciated if family groups would try park touring for a single trip, or even just a couple of days, AS IF they were in a position where they simply COULD NOT separate for any reason. We'll even concede some of the advantages you already have:

• Counter Service dining: either everybody gets in line to order the food, or one person gets in line while the rest of the party waits to the side somewhere. We'll even give you the advantage of being able to split up once you have your food, to find a table. This gives you the advantage of being in various parts of the dining room at once - something we can't do.
• Fast Pass running: Please continue the advantage you have of your slower members heading to the next attraction you plan to ride while one person runs to another attraction to get you all FastPasses for later. When you reach your intended attraction, wait to the side, away from the line, until your FastPass runner catches up to you.
• Bathroom runs: Everybody goes at the same time between attractions, or everybody waits while some members of your party use the facilities.
• Bathroom emergencies while in lines: The child who needs to go and one adult, leave the line, while the rest of the party stands aside and lets others pass them in line until the missing members can catch up to them in the natural progression of the line. Alternatively, you could do what we must - all exit the line and start over again.

No she wasn't seriously telling you not to travel with your children and families, but she also didn't think she was being funny - and nobody ELSE was amused by her comment either. Traveling solo or with just one's young children doesn't offer the perks you seem to think it does.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

I have been to WDW and DL, many times, both as a solo and as a group. There are perks, or conveniences to both ways of traveling. There are also times when it would there are negatives to the traveling style. It is just the way it goes. If you have done both, I am surprised you didn't experience the same. Whining because you can't have the same experiences as someone else is childish. If one doesn't want to go solo, don't go. Nothing necessitates going to Disneyworld alone. There aren't any victims. There are just differences.

So I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree.

As for amusing, well, the attitudes shown by some are truly amusing to me. They remind me so often of my kids at about 5 stomping their feet and fussing. Or at 10. Or at 16 when they think they know everything, and 'you are just not listening" rather than accepting that "yes, I am listening, but just don't agree." It is astounding to them that someone could think they are wrong!!

 

[livndisney]

Yes but seriously, are you going to be rude to another parent b/c her kid had to go potty after waiting for 20 minutes to see the fairies and tell this mother to go wait in the back of line even if her hubby and 2 other kids are up there? I sure hope not.

Where did I say I had a problem with a parent leaving the line to take a child to the bathroom?

 

[CoffeeCup]

I agree that it is very inconsiderate for people to hold a table when they don't yet have their food. I saw a large group doing this when we were at Pecos Bills a few weeks ago. They divided up, saved several large tables, and then when the group members came with the food, they got up and moved to another part of the dining area. Not to worry, the table near us quickly was grabbed by another group who devoured their food and left, leaving all of their trash and trays for the CM to clean up. Wasn't there an experiment last summer where people were not allowed to grab tables during busy parts of the day and were escorted to tables by CMs? Does anyone know why that policy no longer is in place? I thought it was a wonderful plan to solve this problem, but, if I remember correctly, many people opposed it because it wasn't what they decided was best for their family. I'm afraid most of the annoyances at DW are because too many people want only what is best for them and their family and don't care at all about what is best for anyone else.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Say it with me- "I will be kind to others and wait just like everyone else. Just because I am on vacation does not mean a vacation from common sense".

I will realise I am at the Happiest place on Earth-but so are these OTHER people. I will set a good example for my child and SHOW them how to be patient. I will enjoy the time I spend with my family on vacation (isn't that kind of the point?)

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Of course I am not going to cut random people b/c I feel that "sense of entitlement" that we walk about so much here on the DIS, but kids needing to go potty/get changed, I feel there's an excpetion.

 

[livndisney]

I really feel sorry for people that sit around worrying about what is line skipping & what other people are doing with their kids. We just do what we think is right & don't get worked up over other people...besides we were in line at the safari ride & someones dh & dd sone came up at the last min to be with the wife & dtr & the cm had no problem with letting them through at all. I just try to go with the flow...otherwise I could get so worked up over the rudeness of so many people there that it would ruin my vacation...I don't let it.

I feel sorry for people who think that expecting people to use common sense is the same as "sitting around worrying about line skipping".