Saw this on the news today, all over peanuts....unbelievable

[princessmom29]

Now no one is saying for the child to try a small peanut covered in jelly to see what happens. This school is trying to take preventative measures to help protect the child. I mean when I say I think anything that WOULD HELP RID the allergen is worth giving a try.

On page one I asked if the parents have proof that the teachers are actually teaching less? We don't have the fact on this so for me, it's hard to believe the parents when they claim the children are missing 30 minutes of school a day, in the same article where parents are complaining about holiday parties and PB&J sammies.

As far as your one Dr claiming that mouthwashing spread allergens there are others who may feel differently. I also said the article is unclear on who actually put these policies into place the school or the little girls physician. I am sure the girls Dr is aware of this and if they thought it wasn't medically necessary they would step in. Who know maybe they will but as of right now they are keeping everything the same.

As far as the parents we don't know all the fact there either. Why they are not homeschooling and why they are choosing to put their child in such danger. So one can only speculate.


If this was a child in my community, I would have no problem complying iwith the rules. I get my kids to school early enough so they would be able to wash and rinse prior to school starting. And I actually like the rinsing after eating because since they are not brushing their teeth they are hopefully getting any stuck food out as to not cause nasty cavities. I would even be one of the parents who doesn't have their kids eat peanut butter before school.

You aren't getting it. Reducing the allergen in no good. It is really and all or nothing proposition with anaphalaxis, either you are exposed or you aren't. Reduction of allergen in the environment is NOT going to keep this child safe. You don't TRY to REDUCE the allergen. You either eliminate it or not. That is what I meant by "giving it a try" is risking achild's life. If it doesn't completely eliminate the allergen, the child is at risk of death.

It is not just my one doctor. While I am sure there is someone out there who will disagree, most of what I read form allergists in the field says that mouth rinisng does nothing to prevent speread of allergen, and in small children with less than perfect rinsing habits it actually spereds allergen to clothing and faces.

As to the accomodations, you may be willing to do all of that, but it is not reasonable to REQUIRE it of everyone in the school. The school is required to porvide reasonable accomodations. These parents are arguing that these accomodations are not reasonable because they detract from thier child's ability to learn. I agree with them, and would further say that what they are doing is ineffective at best and dangerous at worst. You think they are perfectly reasonable and are welcome to your opinion.

 

[marmalade]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sugar Jones]

I'm back......


I wanted to apologize for my last post. I let my emotions get the better of me, I'm sorry about that. Once you let your emotions get involved in a debate it's gameover, at least for me


The way I look at it is like this. A peanut ban is easy to do. Easier than a milk, egg, soy, wheat etc.... Peanuts to me are like a condiment. They don't NEED to be in a product. There are a VAST amount of peanut free options. Therefore the ability to make a peanut free school is achievable. I understand the argument that with the other allergies, it may not be possible. However with peanuts it is possible. It's simple, I do it everyday.

Is the school 100% safe with the ban? - No probably not, but it does the reduce the risk dramatically and can enable those kids to attend school with less concern. Of course never in all their lives will those with severe allergies be safe, but at least reduced risk the parents, teachers and child can feel as comfortable as possible.

I also have to come understand that the acceptance of the ban is a cultural thing. The majority of schools in Canada, UK & Australia are peanut free. The U.S. is not.

The banning of allergens is more widely accepted in other countries. My last workplace was a fragrance free environment. There were two employee's with asthma. Our hospitals are fragrance and latex free.

 

[shefrn1]

i can see protecting the child at school and making it a 'peanut free' school (although i think making it truly peanut free is impossible) but what gets me is asking people to change their lives at home....

my son has a dog allergy...and it's not just difficult breathing...he gets full blown hives...i have an epi-pen but thankfully have never had to use it........should i ask that everyone gets rid of their dog or bring a change of clothes to school and make them dress...although his allergy is to dog saliva not necessarily dandre...should every kid in the school get a bath right before they leave the house and not pet the dog on their way out the door....


you don't see these kind of changes implimented for kids with other allergies

my son also has a pretty significant egg and milk allergy...what do you do about that...remove milk cartons from cafeterias...and cheese......almost everything processed either has egg or milk or both!!!

like i said before i'm just gonna teach him to be aware.....i'm not gonna shelter him nor am i gonna ask other people to change their lifestyles!

 

[kchughes]

QUOTE=Hannathy;40364463]Now don't go disrupting their hysterics with facts!

You can spout the facts and numbers till the cows come home but the die hard peanut fanatics won't listen.[/QUOTE]


in the immortal words of Larry the Cable Guy (aka Mater) " I don't care who you are, that's funny right there."

 

[kchughes]

QUOTE=Hannathy;40364463]Now don't go disrupting their hysterics with facts!

You can spout the facts and numbers till the cows come home but the die hard peanut fanatics won't listen.

in the immortal words of Larry the Cable Guy (aka Mater) " I don't care who you are, that's funny right there."[/QUOTE]

 

[kchughes]

That is not the same as a vaccine. What you are talking about has been around for years. My DH did it as a child for a course of several years to attempt to lessen his reaction. At the time is was an injection like an allergy shot. It didn't really make a difference for the shellfish, but did help with some other allergies, particularly nasal. A vaccine is to a disease not an allergen, and helps the body build antibodies to a disease. You are trying to heighten the body's response to a foreign substance, not lessen it. They are completely opposite processes.

Exactly, an allergy, whether environmental, food or otherwise, is a condition, not a disease. Vaccines are for a specific disease.

 

[livndisney]

I'm back......


I wanted to apologize for my last post. I let my emotions get the better of me, I'm sorry about that. Once you let your emotions get involved in a debate it's gameover, at least for me


The way I look at it is like this. A peanut ban is easy to do. Easier than a milk, egg, soy, wheat etc.... Peanuts to me are like a condiment. They don't NEED to be in a product. There are a VAST amount of peanut free options. Therefore the ability to make a peanut free school is achievable. I understand the argument that with the other allergies, it may not be possible. However with peanuts it is possible. It's simple, I do it everyday.

Is the school 100% safe with the ban? - No probably not, but it does the reduce the risk dramatically and can enable those kids to attend school with less concern. Of course never in all their lives will those with severe allergies be safe, but at least reduced risk the parents, teachers and child can feel as comfortable as possible.

I also have to come understand that the acceptance of the ban is a cultural thing. The majority of schools in Canada, UK & Australia are peanut free. The U.S. is not.

The banning of allergens is more widely accepted in other countries. My last workplace was a fragrance free environment. There were two employee's with asthma. Our hospitals are fragrance and latex free.

How many of those peanut free options are dairy, egg, soy, and gluten free? They also cannot contain apple or natural flavors.

 

[sritter78]

My nephew has a severe peanut allergy just like this girl. If someone has residue on their skin and touch him, he will (and has) gone into anaphylactic shock. This happened when he was in 5th and 6th grade. He knows his allergy, but he can't prevent someone from touching him.

His mom did say that the mouth washing is absurd and doesn't serve any purpose.

 

[DisneyCG]

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[Reddy]

hmmm I keep seeing that the girl goes to Wal-Mart & WDW??? how is she still alive if the school has to keep all of this up?? how many kids eat a PB&J at disney go ride a ride without washing their hands?? or does the parent require Disney(or Wal-mart or the movies) to do this too (or clean the rides before she gets on)

 

[Hannathy]

We should be washing our hands after any meal anyways.

Why? Before yeah but after? why what a waste of water and hard on the skin.

 

[DisneyCG]

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[lisalis]

I think it comes down to the school avoiding a possible law suit by implementing all these measures.

I think it is probably the straw that broke the camel's back with the protesting parents. So many rules are being implemented to accommodate a few children at schools these days. Our children's school is now pet free and peanut free. Parents are not allowed to send any birthday treats from any bakery except from the school. The principal also encourages parents via newsletter to send healthy treats for birthdays - when did you last celebrate your birthday with broccoli? Teachers are only allowed to have fish for a classroom pet, and no animals are allowed to visit the school.

We have a crazy parent who volunteers to patrol the parking lot so people can't turn left off the main street into the school parking lot. We have to drive a mile out of way from where we live to get to the other side of the street to turn right into the lot. Then, we get reminders from the principal to not drop our kids off across the street, but to use the parking lot. Thank goodness my son rides his bike most of the year!

While I appreciate our school district wanting the best education and safety for all students, it seems a bit overkill lately. I do feel a bit nostalgic for the days when school felt like a community, parents were allowed to be parents(good or bad), and a little fun was to be had.

 

[princessmom29]

I'm back......


I wanted to apologize for my last post. I let my emotions get the better of me, I'm sorry about that. Once you let your emotions get involved in a debate it's gameover, at least for me


The way I look at it is like this. A peanut ban is easy to do. Easier than a milk, egg, soy, wheat etc.... Peanuts to me are like a condiment. They don't NEED to be in a product. There are a VAST amount of peanut free options. Therefore the ability to make a peanut free school is achievable. I understand the argument that with the other allergies, it may not be possible. However with peanuts it is possible. It's simple, I do it everyday.

Is the school 100% safe with the ban? - No probably not, but it does the reduce the risk dramatically and can enable those kids to attend school with less concern. Of course never in all their lives will those with severe allergies be safe, but at least reduced risk the parents, teachers and child can feel as comfortable as possible.

I also have to come understand that the acceptance of the ban is a cultural thing. The majority of schools in Canada, UK & Australia are peanut free. The U.S. is not.

The banning of allergens is more widely accepted in other countries. My last workplace was a fragrance free environment. There were two employee's with asthma. Our hospitals are fragrance and latex free.

I unerstand what you are saying, but in many households peanuts are not just a condiment. I don't know where you are shopping, but I went to the grocery yesterday and really looked after this discussion. EVERY snack food I normally buy to send to school says "made in a facility that processes peanuts", every single one. The only "peanut free" snacks I saw were in the specialized section that consists of 3 shelves in onec section of the store designated "allergy products". It would not be easy at all for us to get rid of products containing peanut reside.

Further, as the parent of an allergy child, I think "allergy free schools" instil a false sense of security. You risk not being as vigilant as you normally would becuase the school is supposed to be free of allergens. The world is NOT ever going to be allergy free.

 

[Sugar Jones]

I unerstand what you are saying, but in many households peanuts are not just a condiment. I don't know where you are shopping, but I went to the grocery yesterday and really looked after this discussion. EVERY snack food I normally buy to send to school says "made in a facility that processes peanuts", every single one. The only "peanut free" snacks I saw were in the specialized section that consists of 3 shelves in onec section of the store designated "allergy products". It would not be easy at all for us to get rid of products containing peanut reside.

Further, as the parent of an allergy child, I think "allergy free schools" instil a false sense of security. You risk not being as vigilant as you normally would becuase the school is supposed to be free of allergens. The world is NOT ever going to be allergy free.

I am in Canada so again maybe that is the difference here. I can find all kinds of peanut free products. No name, store brand & brand name products. There is no special "peanut free section" Cookies, crackers, granola bars, you name it it's there.

Dare brand in Canada is the best, pretty much all of their products are peanut free. Kraft was a little slow getting on the peanut free bandwagon, but they are starting to have more and more products that are peanut free.

Your right even though the school is peanut free there is always still a risk. The little boy in my son's class wear his epi-pen in a fanny pack around his waist all day long.

 

[princessmom29]

I am in Canada so again maybe that is the difference here. I can find all kinds of peanut free products. No name, store brand & brand name products. There is no special "peanut free section" Cookies, crackers, granola bars, you name it it's there.

Dare brand in Canada is the best, pretty much all of their products are peanut free. Kraft was a little slow getting on the peanut free bandwagon, but they are starting to have more and more products that are peanut free.

Your right even though the school is peanut free there is always still a risk. The little boy in my son's class wear his epi-pen in a fanny pack around his waist all day long.

We don't have Dare brand, and I have Kraft products that carry the disclaimer. I think it must be a regional thing. Like I said, other than sending in pieces of fruit or buying the 2 options in the allegry section I couldn't gurantee what I was sending was peanut allergy safe and I don't think many parents are willing to go to those lengths. There is noly one mix that I know of sold locally to amke peanut free snacks at home. Otherwise it is make it completely from scratch.

 

[Sugar Jones]

We don't have Dare brand, and I have Kraft products that carry the disclaimer. I think it must be a regional thing. Like I said, other than sending in pieces of fruit or buying the 2 options in the allegry section I couldn't gurantee what I was sending was peanut allergy safe and I don't think many parents are willing to go to those lengths. There is noly one mix that I know of sold locally to amke peanut free snacks at home. Otherwise it is make it completely from scratch.

I'm starting to understand why we have such a hard time understanding each other now I'm not kidding when I say we have a huge amount of peanut free options. You want chocolate chip cookies? There are at least 4different brands to choose from, and in all price ranges. I guess you guys don't have those options, which would make it more difficult.

 

[kellyg403]

I'm starting to understand why we have such a hard time understanding each other now I'm not kidding when I say we have a huge amount of peanut free options. You want chocolate chip cookies? There are at least 4different brands to choose from, and in all price ranges. I guess you guys don't have those options, which would make it more difficult.

Yes! In my area we are not allowed to bring products from home, everything must be bought and have a full label of ingredients. We do have peanut free tables for them in the lunchroom. We don't have many stores in the area that have exclusively peanut free options. We really have to read labels and honestly, I would really have to have a list made for me of acceptable products that are not made in factories using peanuts.

I took the opportunity today to look in the cookie section and the organic section of our grocery store. Not one single, prepackaged option was peanut free and 3 of them listen the warning may contain peanut products.

Kelly

 

[seashoreCM]

The "problem" of having to empty the office so someone can use the phone can be solved easily by installing another phone extension. That can be installed using the same "line" and is easy enough to be a do it yourself project.

We have a crazy parent who volunteers to patrol the parking lot so people can't turn left off the main street into the school parking lot.

Is this because a lot of folks are queued up coming the other way to turn right and someone wanting to turn left is line-cutting? Is there a side street a little further on down to turn into and make a U-turn and come back out the other way to turn right into the school lot?