Not sure why you estimated the cost at 20% less if you think the costs are not much less, but I see your point.
I used to work for WSDOT and our unit construction costs were about 20% higher than Caltrans costs.
Not sure why you estimated the cost at 20% less if you think the costs are not much less, but I see your point.
Give me a can of white spray paint and a tape measure and I'll "design" plan and paint the standard dimension parking spaces for $20 a spot. Crazy how much companies will literally reem you when ggiven the chance
Well you would never waste land to build a surface parking lot in a congested urban area like Southern California or Seattle. Why waste your land building a surface parking lot when you can build a 40 story high rise condominium project and sell the units for $1 - $20 million a piece?
Tell that to Disney! Lol
I am surprised they are taking so long to make changes there. I mean when Disney is selling rooms for $600 per night at the Grand Californian??? That has to be incredibly profitable. Why aren't they building more hotels there?
Which would you do? Sell rooms for $600 per night or sell two parking spots for $10 per night? Each hotel room could fit about two cars.
As someone who has used downtown disney as a meet up area for many years, it is indeed very crazy. If I am going to meet someone for coffee or a drink, we are not each going to spend $20. the majority of the time. I wonder if this will affect the smaller places like Starbucks and Earl of Sandwich. No more just dropping by for a quick meal while passing by.Wow, now you don't even get the regular free two hours without spending $20? That seems crazy.
I can only imagine the clusterfluff upon leaving the lot. People sorting out their receipts. "I bought one cotton candy. Here's my pretzel receipt. Here's my coffee receipt. Wait, I can't find my other receipt."
So shouldn't people using the service actually pay for those parking structures? It costs $60,000 a space to build a parking structure. Why should people who are just going to Downtown Disney without parking their car pay? Only people who are using the parking structure should pay Disney to reimburse them for the $60,000 it cost to build the parking structure.
How do they discourage st parks parking. Just curious.It seems like they've moved past discouraging theme park parking and into punishing single people who want to eat quick service at DTD. If a group meets up and goes to quick service dinner, maybe Starbucks, buy a few small items at various stores, they may not each spend $20 or not $20 at one location, but they're still spending money at DTD. It's not so appealing if everyone has to pay those rates to park. Even if we all arrive in one car, I really don't want to have to split a quick service check to get to $20 for a validation if it comes to that. Now I might as well use my parks parking, which they're also trying to discourage for people not staying for very long.
At some point it becomes a juggling game of who they alienate and disenfranchise. Raising parking and validation amounts is like a nail in the coffin for aome quick serve/sandwich shops etc. I know previously the most profitable division of Disney was Disney Dining. They could let everyone into Disney for free and make an absolute killing on food. I know from personal experience when my AP's were much cheaper and parking was cheaper I would spend a lot on food. It was affordable to go for the day so we'd eat every meal in the park, eat character breakfasts in the park, buy dole whips, pretzels, popcorn, coffee, churros, hot cocoa for parades,eat dinner in the park.
How do they discourage st parks parking. Just curious.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the parking issue as I have no thoughts on it, this is just for all the changes Disney makes as a whole, including charging for things that used to be free (WOC, Lilly Belle etc.). The problem is, that no matter how much they charge for certain things, there are always customers that are willing to pay the price. Yes these changes disenfranchise or push out some customers, but there are always more that are more than willing to pay the price. Until they hit a point that people stop going or using their services, they will keep increasing their profit margins. People are still buying and shopping and yes, paying for parking so of course they are going to see how much money they can get for their product. Those parking spots will still be full, no matter how much they charge for them, someone will always be willing to pay.
Not saying it is right........just that as a business they are going to make as much as they can. If park attendance actually starting dropping off then they may reverse or stop some of these charges, but until then, they are going to keep pushing to see how far they can go.
I am amazed at the amount of people that think it is not ok for a business to sell it's services. I recently stayed in a fairly rurally located hotel, a hotel in South San Francisco, and a hotel in downtown San Francisco. The parking costs were free, $9, and $75, respectively. It's simple economics. Supply and demand. Land supply in SF is very low, demand is very high, hence, a huge surge in the parking fee. I can complain about how unreasonable $75 a night is, but at the end of the day, it's my choice whether I want to stay there (increasing demand) or not.
Discourage people from parking at DTD to go to the parks.How do they discourage st parks parking. Just curious.
Selling and gouging are 2 different things. COMPLETELY different.
I think the new parking rates make perfect sense.
Disneyland wants people to park at Downtown Disney who will spend $$ at Downtown Disney.
If you aren't going to spend $20 at a location while there, then why should you get free parking?
I bet 99% of the people complaining in this thread are using Downtown Disney to go to Disneyland for a few hours, listen to a band or watch the fireworks from outside the parks. The fact that they might spend $6 at Earl of Sandwich doesn't "entitle" them to free parking. Let's face it. A significant portion of people arriving at the Downtown Disney parking lot actually spend very little $$$$ while parked there.
Earl of Sandwich will continue to do just fine with all the families who are buying $40 or $50 of sandwiches, soups and sodas. And Downtown Disney parking will be more available and less crowded.
Knowing how crazy busy Downtown Disney is on a Friday evening makes this a win for me as a Singature AP holder who can park at Mickey and Friends.
If you aren't going to spend $20 at a location while there, then why should you get free parking?
I bet 99% of the people complaining in this thread are using Downtown Disney to go to Disneyland for a few hours, listen to a band or watch the fireworks from outside the parks. The fact that they might spend $6 at Earl of Sandwich doesn't "entitle" them to free parking. Let's face it. A significant portion of people arriving at the Downtown Disney parking lot actually spend very little $$$$ while parked there.
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