OMG - That Duggar woman is pregnant again

[Karlzmom]

4) someone sadi that they are well rounded----okay...personally, i dont think they are....i think they need to go out of their "comfort zone" of what they know and without their parent to really be well rounded.....they need to experience things form themselves

I'm always fascinated when I hear people say this. My good GF and I have this disagreement, as she is of the position that children shouldn't be "cloistered", I think that most sane people will agree that there are limits on what kids should be exposed to, (porn, drugs, violence for extreme examples of the things that are out in the world and available, but most people wouldn't take their kid to a strip club to make sure he is not missing something ) so its simply a question of what the line should be and who is in the best position to determine for their own child.

I don't think the icky stuff out there works like a vaccine, you know give him some now and it will protect them later. The ick will still be there if when he gets older its what he chooses to indulge in, and he is willing to deal with possible consequences. For now, for these all too fleeting years, its my job to protect him....just as I wouldn't risk his physical harm (after all, someday he could get hurt and will need to know what its like), I strongly believe that protecting innocence is just as important. Life is ugly.....he'll find out all too soon that people can be hateful, no need to rush him......

 

[Karlzmom]

LOL, it does seem a bit OT...Lord knows we can argue enough with just the Duggar info...

Sorry, yes a bit OT, but I did quote from another poster who was merging the TX situation with the Duggars....I think it was done earlier in the thread also.....so thought it was fair game.

As for pot stirring, maybe, but I do honestly question what is going on there, and frankly see a link between the attitudes expressed in our happy little forum and a government that has decided it knows best about how the "average" family should raise their children...up to and including taking them w/o regard to an inconvenient piece of paper called the constitution.

Simply trying to engage in dialogue, no baiting a fight for fight's sake here!

 

[meandtheguys2]

Sorry, yes a bit OT, but I did quote from another poster who was merging the TX situation with the Duggars....I think it was done earlier in the thread also.....so thought it was fair game.

Simply trying to engage in dialogue, no baiting a fight for fight's sake here!

Just kidding around...

 

[PrincessKsMom]

a government that has decided it knows best about how the "average" family should raise their children...up to and including taking them w/o regard to an inconvenient piece of paper called the constitution.

"Average" family? God help us all if the polygamist families are considered average. You can bark about the constitution all you want, but forcing a minor to have sex with someone is not in anyone's constitutional interest. It's called rape, plain and simple. I don't think these children are choosing to have sex with older men, and I don't think they are choosing to be one of many wives. I just think they don't know any better but do know better than to question authority. I think they see what happens when many of these polygamist groups kick young men to the street because those young men ruin the older men's chances of getting a bride. I think they know they will be banned from any family or friends they know. I think they are so afraid of the outside world, that they think they can't make it on their own, nor should they have to as children. It amazes me what people think they can get away with in the name of the Lord. God wants me to have many, many children (like the Duggars); God wants me to bed down with minors and have many, many children and wives (the polygamists). If this is okay, than why do we look down on murders who claim that God spoke directly to them and told them to do it? Is it because "thou shalt not kill" is a commandment? Who knew it would be okay to abuse and rape children all because it's not one of the commandments.

 

[rt2dz]

Sorry, yes a bit OT, but I did quote from another poster who was merging the TX situation with the Duggars....I think it was done earlier in the thread also.....so thought it was fair game.

As for pot stirring, maybe, but I do honestly question what is going on there, and frankly see a link between the attitudes expressed in our happy little forum and a government that has decided it knows best about how the "average" family should raise their children...up to and including taking them w/o regard to an inconvenient piece of paper called the constitution.

Simply trying to engage in dialogue, no baiting a fight for fight's sake here!

You quoted me. However, I was responding to someone else who quoted me. I had asked who gets to decide what the “right” parenting is, or something similar and the other poster said TX law enforcement, or something along that lines. And that had to do with another answer from when I was quoted. My response, in context, was that you can't compare the two--The Duggars and the Polygamy.

I also don't agree with your reasoning, especially since the TX age of consent had been tried to be changed several times over the last 20 years. And there are many other things, facets involved. After all, if you have a warrant to search for drugs, you don't ignore the dead body in the kitchen because it isn't in the warrant. And it isn't OK to beat your kids if you only do it in your house. Both might be gray areas of life, but what isn't? It doesn't make them both anywhere on the same lines.

 

[Laura.bora]

hey - does anybody have a link where I can see them tell the kids? I tried looking on youtube with no success, but that doesn't mean much!

 

[Karlzmom]

You quoted me. However, I was responding to someone else who quoted me. I had asked who gets to decide what the “right” parenting is, or something similar and the other poster said TX law enforcement, or something along that lines. And that had to do with another answer from when I was quoted. My response, in context, was that you can't compare the two--The Duggars and the Polygamy.

I also don't agree with your reasoning, especially since the TX age of consent had been tried to be changed several times over the last 20 years. And there are many other things, facets involved. After all, if you have a warrant to search for drugs, you don't ignore the dead body in the kitchen because it isn't in the warrant. And it isn't OK to beat your kids if you only do it in your house. Both might be gray areas of life, but what isn't? It doesn't make them both anywhere on the same lines.

The dead body in the kitchen would be openly apparent and on its face suggest a crime. The better comparison would be if your warrant is for a stolen TV, you don't get to look in the kitchen drawers. The things being used to justify taking all the children are issues that are not apparent on their face, unless the argument is that simply by being present in an area is enough to deem sufficient cause...if so, God help us all.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in too!

I agree with most of the posters here...when you are handing over your babies to your older kids, making them responsible for their care then it's just too many. Goodness, I can only imagine the resentment being created in that house full of kids. I too saw them break the news to their children and the older ones certainly didn't look too elated or joyful! Especially the oldest son. It's rather sad to think of a family that is soooo large they have to sign up for 20 minutes of alone time with mommy. What was also sad was that the older girls had picked out a nice outfit for their mother for Mother's Day and bam, she hits them with the news she's pregnant again. They looked upset to me since I'm sure they put so much thought into that gift.

Let me say this too....I am an older sibling from a divorced family. When I my father married again, my stepmom had 2 boys with him. I was 10 years older than them so guess what? I was the mommmy. My selfish stepmother decided she wanted to go back to school (full time mind you!) and I was forced to raise them. There were many, many school activities that I couldn't join because I had to be home to take care of them after school, cook and clean. I'm sure you all hear the resentment in my tone and you're correct. It's most certainly not resentment towards my brothers, I love them dearly, but it's directed towards mainly my stepmother and father. Goodness, my littlest brother was so confused when he was little, thinking I was his mommy. Strange, isn't it and definitely not healthy.

Bottom line, I truly feel that the Duggars are being irresponsible by handing off their babies to the older kids. What I'd like to know is what on earth does she do all day?? I've read their website and seen their daily schedule they posted. Seriously, the older kids get up the younger, clean them, dress them and the older girls take turns making all the meals! Wow, imagine the free time I'd have if had a small army of servants, oops, I mean kids to do my jobs. OK, I've said my share! It's all just my opinion so please be kind!

 

[jennifer293]

hey - does anybody have a link where I can see them tell the kids? I tried looking on youtube with no success, but that doesn't mean much!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24537885/

 

[rt2dz]

The dead body in the kitchen would be openly apparent and on its face suggest a crime. The better comparison would be if your warrant is for a stolen TV, you don't get to look in the kitchen drawers. The things being used to justify taking all the children are issues that are not apparent on their face, unless the argument is that simply by being present in an area is enough to deem sufficient cause...if so, God help us all.

It's a little hard to miss a pregnant 13 year old girl. I couldn't turn a blind eye to that. Well, to each there own. I think I've said all I can say. I refuse to pass judgement on something and someone I know nothing about. Even if you watch the show, you know very little.

 

[kim_o]

I thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in too!
What I'd like to know is what on earth does she do all day??

I was also wondering this....didn't seem like much. Older kids were tending to the younger ones. All of the children were doing chores....so what was left? But if you add up the one on one time, 20 minutes, for 18 children....that's 6 hours. Figure if you start after breakfast, break for lunch and dinner (and I assume bible times) and maybe throw in two hours for homeschooling the older children.....then there you go. ;-)

 

[Laura.bora]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24537885/

Thank you very much!
and I don't know what you are all talking about them looking upset. Shocked, yes. Upset, no way!

 

[DianeV]

As far as the Texas thing..the constitution means nothing to them..they are in their own little world and government..they dont like ours

 

[KerriL]

And again!!

 

[coolbeans]

too funny!

 

[KerriL]

too funny!

I figured, why start a new thread? We can just resurrect this old one every time she pops out a new kid

 

[preciousmama45]

 

[kevschickee]

Oh I can't fight this fight again LMAO

 

[Zoebear]

That is so funny! I read the first 2 pages of this thread before I realized the date !

Really, why start a new thread !!
He he he.

 

[mom2aredhead]

So funny...
I heard about that, and actually thought about this old thread. Thanks for bringing it back from the dead!

And my reaction, once again, is OMG!