Georgia paddling video

[sunshinehighway]

Are you serious? My DD, three days before 9/11, woke up with a backache which became increasingly worse over the next few days. It took seven weeks to diagnose her. She missed school because of pain, Dr's appointments, biopsies and other tests, because they thought it was leukemia or tumor on her spine. The school and her teachers bent over backwards to be supportive and accommodating. AND, we already had a Disney trip planned for that November; I told them that if she was physically able, we were going, because if we learned anything from 9/11 and the threat of a serious illness, it was that "you just never know." And they supported us with that as well.Those snowflakes didn't become snowflakes because they weren't hit, nor would hitting fix what made them snowflakes. I suppose the affluenza kid would have turned out ok IF ONLY THEY HAD SMACKED HIM?Ditto.Awesome response.

It's really disheartening and quite honestly pretty disgusting to see how many people think paddling, by "educators", or anyone else, is acceptable. Gotta say how grateful I am, for many reasons that are in the news daily, including this, to live in RI.

Paddling is a despicable act. I raised three polite, respectful and respected, educated, law abiding employed contributing members of society without hitting. NOBODY hits my child. NOBODY. It's barbaric.

Yes, I'm serious about the attendance policy although I was a little incorrect. It was changed last year to include illness with medical documentation but the principal can request addtional opinions and diagnosis before excusing the absences. Before it was changed, court, extended hospitalization, religious holy day, and death in the family were the only excused absences.
The rest of you post I pretty much agree with. I'm in MA and this paddling story is just one of many that make me glad I live here.

 

[Poohforyou]

Cool so I can hit you with a wooden plank and you will be okay with that?
Funny who with a kid its called punishment but done to an adult its called assault

I know, imagine a boss doing this if you went over budget on a project or missed a deadline.

 

[declansdad]

My child was a "biter" back in daycare. A number of people suggested back then that, in order to break the "habit", he needs to be bitten back. Whether that's from a parent or another child.


And because you haven't spanked your child, no child anywhere else ever needs spanked? Consider yourself fortunate that you never had to go to that level then. All kids are different and react to different punishment.

Spanking is one thing but using something that looks like a cricket bat is quite another.

Here's the thing. She signed something that said this kid could be paddled. She gave permission, she knew it was a possibility. Many schools still use paddling as a punishment and for some kids, it works. To sign and give her permission and then record and try to blame the school is ridiculous. If he missed too many days due to a medical reason then she should have had dr. excuses for every one of those days and she should have already been working with the school to make sure that the days were made up, excused or whatever. Many, many places do not count dr. excused days toward truancy and it makes sense that they do not.

No one abused this child. If his mother had not been in the room, I seriously doubt he would have been saying "help me". Was he scared? Probably. Was he hurt? doubtful.

And unless Georgia law is very different from ours, she would not have went to jail over one day oss. She may have had to go to court but they would not have removed her from her home where she takes care of her child to put her jail for his truancy. We had to go to court over dd's absences one year and there was no need for lawyers or anything of the sort. We went to the court room. The truancy officer stated the number of days and stated how many were excused by dr. excuses. The judge gave us a warning and it was done.


Kids have been paddled in school since the beginning of time, and most are well adjusted adults who succeed in life. There are no lasting effects for the vast majority of people who have been paddled in school. To call this educator "hill billy trash" is offensive and uncalled for. If the kid doesn't do whatever offense he did to earn this punishment, I would say it worked.

You have a funny definition of abuse and saying that it has been done since the beginning of time doesn't mean it is right or that it should continue to the end of time.

So, I just saw the video, and don't see where the child was abused. From my perspective, the anticipation was worse than the one swat he got.

Not all abuse is physical.

 

[hereyago]

You might want to go look at her fb pages, her "justice" one she says"I beat his *** all the time with a belt and take his toys and nothing works."

Also, parent of the year duct taped him 2 years ago, because he askes her to, she had it on fb and cps noticed.

her poor kids.

 

[Hikergirl]

You might want to go look at her fb pages, her "justice" one she says"I beat his *** all the time with a belt and take his toys and nothing works."

Also, parent of the year duct taped him 2 years ago, because he askes her to, she had it on fb and cps noticed.

her poor kids.

That poor boy, between what is done to him at home and school he doesn't stand a chance. My heart breaks for him.

 

[mummabear]

If you shut someone in a room and don't allow them to come out is kidnapping, right? But with a kid it's called punishment? What about taking away an adult's cell phone? Wouldn't that be "stealing"?

As far as "progress"... what happened to a parent being the parent and not the "friend"? I guess that progress is ok? All the "progress" listed earlier has increased safety. Yes, a child is hurt when they get spanked. If a child has been so protected so they don't get hurt, they're called a "snowflake". Yup. That's better. Anything for progress, right?

Not sure if you were meaning to qoute me as I havent refferred to progress and I have no ideas what you are talking about.
I totally agree that you are there to be the parent and not the friend. I also believe in punishing my children where appropriate, they can have nothing left in their room but a mattress on the floor, they can have no "leave" for any activity except school, they can be made to do extra work around the house, they can go to bed early. They wont whoever be assulted, with weapon on top of that. And if another adult did that to my child they would find that paddle going across the side of their face.

 

[mummabear]

My child was a "biter" back in daycare. A number of people suggested back then that, in order to break the "habit", he needs to be bitten back. Whether that's from a parent or another child.


And because you haven't spanked your child, no child anywhere else ever needs spanked? Consider yourself fortunate that you never had to go to that level then. All kids are different and react to different punishment.

I also had a biter, and was able to correct this behaviour without resorting to biting them

 

[CPanther95]

I also had a biter, and was able to correct this behaviour without resorting to biting them

Normally just a quick flick to the forehead stops that quick.

 

[MagicaDeSpell]

I'm a little surprised that this reached 10 pages of debate, it looks like most everyone agrees that this kid has an uphill battle with his home life alone and the only thing people fundamentally disagree on is whether or not corporal punishment is all right.

Speaking personally, I grew up being spanked and belted and even paddled (by relatives, not a school), then when I got ready to have kids, I looked up the research on corporal punishment and then, 10 years ago, it was already settled science that spanking didn't lead to lasting improvements in behavior and carried risks of spurring more acting out, so I just didn't do it even though that's all I knew growing up.

It seems to me, if all we know from research says that it's not going to do any good AND opinion is so divided nationally, there should be a moratorium on doing it in schools.

 

[roseaster]

The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and The National Education Association have all spoken out against the practice of corporal punishment in schools (and in general)

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/106/2/343

https://www.aacap.org/aacap/policy_statements/2012/Policy_Statement_on_Corporal_Punishment.aspx

http://www.nea.org/home/38946.htm

For those that feel that personal observation is more accurate than statistics here are articles with actual statistics mixed in with personal observation.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/04/15...ect-academic-success-joint-hrw/aclu-statement

http://www.businessinsider.com/19-states-still-allow-corporal-punishment-2014-3

 

[luvsJack]

No, I didn't realise that. In fact, all through my PhD in epidemiology, I learned the exact opposite. Unless you personal observed and experienced what happens in every school in the country, I'll stick to facts and data. Just as you did in the rest of your paragraph. So, I guess if data agrees with you, it is good and if it doesn't it is bad?

Actually no. I am not depending on data to determine we are the poorest state, I live here. I see it everyday. I have been in schools all over the state between my job and dd's choir. There is a huge difference between the areas that recieve more casino dollars. . I have talked to school administrators who know the differences. So you see, I am not depending on data to tell me that money makes a difference. But personal observation and experience.

 

[SirDuff]

Actually no. I am not depending on data to determine we are the poorest state, I live here. I see it everyday. I have been in schools all over the state between my job and dd's choir. There is a huge difference between the areas that recieve more casino dollars. . I have talked to school administrators who know the differences. So you see, I am not depending on data to tell me that money makes a difference. But personal observation and experience.

I see. I didn't realise that you had traveled to all the schools in the state. And all the states in the country. Only way that your "personal experience" could know that your state was the "poorest" (not that your state was poor, but that it is the poorest) or that you personally experienced the difference between all the schools in your state. And spend considerable time in each school (not what is seen during a highlight event like a choir competition).

Sorry, for underestimating the massive nature of your personal experience.

We'll have to agree to disagree - I'll go with real data (as do most people), but if you're happy with anecdotes, go for it.

 

[SirDuff]

I'm a little surprised that this reached 10 pages of debate, it looks like most everyone agrees that this kid has an uphill battle with his home life alone and the only thing people fundamentally disagree on is whether or not corporal punishment is all right.

Yes, I think we can call agree that this poor kid needs help - with little evidence that he is getting it from any source (though, of course, we are only seeing what his mother wants us to see).

 

[luvsJack]

Personal observations are more accurate than scientifically gathered data? That is just ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that minority children and children with disabilities are subjected to corporal punishment at a higher rate. I do believe that this child is Latino, BTW. You can "observe" all you want and have whatever opinions you want, the data shows differently.

These women may be educated, but they are backward. Everyone would agree that doctors have had a lot of education, but if you went to a doctor for a headache and they wanted to drill a hole in your skull, you would definitely think that they are backward and old fashioned, and haven't kept up on the latest studies. These 2 hags are the exact same, only with dealing with children with behavioral problems. Every study has shown that beating a child is not an effective form of discipline. This is a method of punishment that has long been outlawed in many, many areas. If someone took a stick and beat a dog that chewed a shoe, they would be facing criminal charges, but it is okay to beat a child with a stick. It is no longer legal to flog criminals in the town square, either.

People can say, "I got beat, my wife, got beat, my kids got beat and we all turned out okay." or "One beating won't scar him for life," but no one knows what beating this child will do to him. You do not know his emotional or neurological make up. This is a child, He is 5, what earthly reason would it ever be acceptable to beat a small child (anyone, really) with a piece of wood? How are you teaching a child that hitting is wrong by hitting him?

The most disgusting part of the whole thing is those 2 hags (and I would like to use much stronger words) are getting joy out of this. They are giggling like beating a child is something funny that they enjoy. They are listening to a child wail and beg in terror and they are giggling over the prospect of being able to beat him with a piece of wood. I think that there is a special corner of hell for trash like that.

This child, obviously, has a very unstable home life. An educator who cares for children would recognize this and offer support and stability to a child in that position. They would build his self esteem and give him a place where he felt valued. They wouldn't further tear him down and humiliate him, and beating a child is nothing but humiliation. Children should feel safe at school. This should be the place where a child like this would feel safe and able to confide in a teacher, or counselor, or principal if something were wrong at home. School will never be that place for this child.

The poster I was addressing was giving me data for schools in my state. There is more to it than numbers. A large portion of our state has schools that is almost all minorities--if they use paddling, then yes, data is going to show that more minorities are paddled but you have to put in the rest of the information. You have to know the details of the situations with the minority children in a school before its just decided that poor white kids don't get paddled. Also, there is the little detail that maybe more minority parents sign the paper that says they can be paddled. The school my kids attended K-8 was almost all white and a mixture of middle and lower class-their data would show something very different than say another area where the white high class kids go to private school and the school is mostly minority children. We have many community schools so the make up of the community is going to determine the make up of the schools. So if data shows that X number of students were paddled and Y number were minorities, there is a need to look closer as to why the numbers are what they are. What schools the numbers are coming from, what the make up is in those schools.

Data is all great and wonderful but to just look at numbers and not the reasons for them is useless.

As for as the pp's statement about paddling being the reason behind our education situation and not money--again, a comparison has to be made of the schools within this system. The schools with more money are far and above better schools, a few nationally recognized, than those with little to none. Data shows we are at the bottom, but a closer look within the system shows the difference the dollars can make.

 

[luvsJack]

I see. I didn't realise that you had traveled to all the schools in the state. And all the states in the country. Only way that your "personal experience" could know that your state was the "poorest" (not that your state was poor, but that it is the poorest) or that you personally experienced the difference between all the schools in your state. And spend considerable time in each school (not what is seen during a highlight event like a choir competition).

Sorry, for underestimating the massive nature of your personal experience.

We'll have to agree to disagree - I'll go with real data (as do most people), but if you're happy with anecdotes, go for it.

If you visit a school you cannot see for yourself? One school can take 300 kids to Austria and another can't take 20 to another school 2 hours away? You can't take away from that which school has more money at their disposal? (And yes I do know that the school paid for it)

If you look at a transcript and see the classes offered in one school, along with the ACT scores and GPAs vs all of that from another school-you can't tell which is the better school?

Our administrator has been in education for 50 years. He is the VP of a cc, his wife was a school system superintendent, he has sat on two different school board and is personal friends with administrators from around the state and his experience tells him that money is the biggest issue, but because someone on a Disney message board can google data that shows two things and puts those together to prove his point, all of the VP's personal experience is meaningless?

I did not mean to say data is useless, I am saying personal knowledge is valuable.

I know we are the poorest state. I know we are on the bottom in education. I also know that coastal schools have more money than those in the delta--all you have to do is look at them. Are all the schools on the coast better than those in the delta? No. Are most? Yes.

 

[pocomom]

The poster I was addressing was giving me data for schools in my state. There is more to it than numbers. A large portion of our state has schools that is almost all minorities--if they use paddling, then yes, data is going to show that more minorities are paddled but you have to put in the rest of the information. You have to know the details of the situations with the minority children in a school before its just decided that poor white kids don't get paddled. Also, there is the little detail that maybe more minority parents sign the paper that says they can be paddled. The school my kids attended K-8 was almost all white and a mixture of middle and lower class-their data would show something very different than say another area where the white high class kids go to private school and the school is mostly minority children. We have many community schools so the make up of the community is going to determine the make up of the schools. So if data shows that X number of students were paddled and Y number were minorities, there is a need to look closer as to why the numbers are what they are. What schools the numbers are coming from, what the make up is in those schools.

Data is all great and wonderful but to just look at numbers and not the reasons for them is useless.

As for as the pp's statement about paddling being the reason behind our education situation and not money--again, a comparison has to be made of the schools within this system. The schools with more money are far and above better schools, a few nationally recognized, than those with little to none. Data shows we are at the bottom, but a closer look within the system shows the difference the dollars can make.

A quick Google search shows why - it's simple racism.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/us0808/8.htm
Even when they accounted for all the variables including mainly minority schools, blacks, and native Americans were 1.4 times more likely to be paddled.
Boys also were more likely to be paddled than girls, and there are some charming little statistics that show it is disparitly used towards special education students.

 

[Southernmiss]

I am partial to the one of her nursing a baby while she chugs a beer with the kid flipping off the camera. That one speaks volumes and none of it is good for her case.

And this is the biggest issue that the educators I know in Mississippi say is the root of our education ranking....what happens or doesn't in the home.

Race, color, culture, socioeconomic status and other factors all fall by the wayside when compared to what is taught, not taught, or reinforced at home.

A real example--The demographics of the children attending our neighborhood elementary school changed after hurricane Katrina. This was due to tax credits for new, low income homes and apartment complexes built within the school's boundaries. The overall student standardized test performance went down in the years after. Same staff, same amount of $ spent on the school, same building built in the 1990s, the only tangible variable was the student body makeup and the families they came from. The educators saw more children from single parent families, children being raised by grandparents or great grandparents and children of families who simply didn't value or could not be as involved with the child's education at home.

As to the paddling, I signed the 'Do not paddle' my child form each year at school. We simply don't hit. My kids never had discipline issues, so I never faced it personally.

But there is still a large number of people in the state with the mindset that is very much rooted in the literal interpretation of the Bible of 'spare the rod and spoil the child'. This, I believe attributes to the number of paddlings recorded in my state. It saddens me. But it is there.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I know, imagine a boss doing this if you went over budget on a project or missed a deadline.

Hey, if my other choice is losing a raise or a bonus, give me the swats!

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Hey, if my other choice is losing a raise or a bonus, give me the swats!

I'd absolutely love to meet the person who's career path ended with heading up the "swat department".

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

And, I wonder if "full leathers" is a key phrase in their dress code.

Edited to add: And now, in a spin-off of another thread, if a college degree is required, I wonder what the major would be? Heavy student loan debt projected for all swat department majors.