Georgia paddling video

[luvsJack]

Um, because she is hitting him? She. Is. Hitting. A. Child.

With a piece of wood.

And the other lady is threatening more abuse will come his way if the 5 year old "wiggles".

How would any normal human being deem this acceptable? Helpful?

Doesn't seem very helpful to me. It seems like two very uneducated, slow witted, under-achieving women hitting an already neglected child.

Pathetic.

1. You cannot tell what the school has or hasn't done by this one short video. This may very well have been a huge process. In most schools there is a disipline ladder and it takes many other tries before a child reaches the paddling stage.
2. You cannot tell what is or isn't effective by this video.

The administator in the video is educated. She wouldn't be in her position if she wasn't. And to call someone in her position slow witted is uncalled for.

 

[luvsJack]

Numbers are not just pulled from a hat. Data shows that the children predominantly subject to corporal punishment are children with disabilities and African-Americans. The data also shows that it is not effective.

Mississippi - 2nd highest state with the most paddlings. Bottom 10 in the nation in educational quality at #40.

So, how well does it work in your schools?

Do you not realize that personal observation and experience is much more accurate than data?
I know with 100% certainty that children of all races are paddled. Wasn't the boy in the video white anyway?
We are also the poorest state in the union but it must be the paddling. Riiigghhhttt. If you don't think its money you are sadly mistaken. The proof is in the pudding when you compare our coastal schools who recieve tax dollars from the casinos to the delta schools who recieve very little.
Data probably shows that time out and iss/oss doesn't work either. If it doesn't, it should because neither work all the time.

 

[PollyannaMom]

There is a picture of the kid in the video on fb flipping the camera off.

That is not exactly going to help her case.

 

[Turn the Page]

I am partial to the one of her nursing a baby while she chugs a beer with the kid flipping off the camera. That one speaks volumes and none of it is good for her case.

 

[SirDuff]

Do you not realize that personal observation and experience is much more accurate than data?
I know with 100% certainty that children of all races are paddled. Wasn't the boy in the video white anyway?
We are also the poorest state in the union but it must be the paddling. Riiigghhhttt. If you don't think its money you are sadly mistaken. The proof is in the pudding when you compare our coastal schools who recieve tax dollars from the casinos to the delta schools who recieve very little.
Data probably shows that time out and iss/oss doesn't work either. If it doesn't, it should because neither work all the time.

No, I didn't realise that. In fact, all through my PhD in epidemiology, I learned the exact opposite. Unless you personal observed and experienced what happens in every school in the country, I'll stick to facts and data. Just as you did in the rest of your paragraph. So, I guess if data agrees with you, it is good and if it doesn't it is bad?

 

[mummabear]

I don't think one swat is abuse.

Cool so I can hit you with a wooden plank and you will be okay with that?
Funny who with a kid its called punishment but done to an adult its called assault

 

[CdnCarrie]

1. You cannot tell what the school has or hasn't done by this one short video. This may very well have been a huge process. In most schools there is a disipline ladder and it takes many other tries before a child reaches the paddling stage.
2. You cannot tell what is or isn't effective by this video.

The administator in the video is educated. She wouldn't be in her position if she wasn't. And to call someone in her position slow witted is uncalled for.

Disagree strongly. Doesn't matter one iota what the school has tried to do. You.don't.hit.a.child.with.a.stick.
Just because someone is educated and in a position of power does not mean that we have to agree with all they do or not recoil at some of their actions.

 

[hereyago]

She wasn't coerced into granting permission for the paddle. That form is sent out at the first of the school year.


As for the absences and tardies, the school I am sure inquired about what was going on. They dont let things that far without contact and then.,BAM, haul you off to jail: love her mugshot with a smile. 18 unexcused absences and 20 tardies.

 

[sam_gordon]

Bottom 10 in the nation in educational quality at #40.

And the 10 states from #41-50 don't allow paddling, and they're just fine and hunky dory? *MY* point is I don't think there is a correlation between states that allow corporal punishment and school quality. If there was, the 19 states that allow it should be in at least the bottom half, shouldn't they?

 

[sam_gordon]

Cool so I can hit you with a wooden plank and you will be okay with that?
Funny who with a kid its called punishment but done to an adult its called assault

If you shut someone in a room and don't allow them to come out is kidnapping, right? But with a kid it's called punishment? What about taking away an adult's cell phone? Wouldn't that be "stealing"?

As far as "progress"... what happened to a parent being the parent and not the "friend"? I guess that progress is ok? All the "progress" listed earlier has increased safety. Yes, a child is hurt when they get spanked. If a child has been so protected so they don't get hurt, they're called a "snowflake". Yup. That's better. Anything for progress, right?

 

[CdnCarrie]

If you shut someone in a room and don't allow them to come out is kidnapping, right? But with a kid it's called punishment? What about taking away an adult's cell phone? Wouldn't that be "stealing"?

As far as "progress"... what happened to a parent being the parent and not the "friend"? I guess that progress is ok? All the "progress" listed earlier has increased safety. Yes, a child is hurt when they get spanked. If a child has been so protected so they don't get hurt, they're called a "snowflake". Yup. That's better. Anything for progress, right?

I realize that you are a older gentleman who is rather set in the ways of his generation and seems to believe that the younger generation are not as good at raising children as your own. But what does anything that you state have to do with hitting another human being with a stick. HIT WITH A PIECE OF WOOD.

Sorry but once you mention that you think its okay to HIT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITH A PIECE OF WOOD I have lost any sort of respect I ever had for you. Sorry. Nothing you can say or debate or how many facts you state or how many times you insult the parenting styles of your children and grandchildren's generations I will never ever get respect back for you.

And if you don't like the new parent styles then your generation is to blame. You are the ones who raised the current generation of parents. So obviously you did something wrong that made us all such horrible parents. Sorry but I get so mad at holier than thou seniors who talk as if their generation was so perfect and the younger generations are a bunch of morons.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

For me, it comes down to you should not hit others. You shouldn't hit children, you shouldn't hit adults. Husbands shouldn't hit wives, wives shouldn't hit husbands. Teachers shouldn't hit students. Nursing home attendants shouldn't hit the elderly. You just should not hit.

And you certainly shouldn't have a "tool" such as a wooden stick or a belt all ready to carry out the hitting.

How freaking eager are you to inflict pain on a child if you have an actual tool in your office to hit them with?

 

[Chocolate Cake]

1. You cannot tell what the school has or hasn't done by this one short video. .

I can tell that they hit a child. That is all I need to know to make the statement that those ladies are slow witted.

And then to threaten him with more hits if he wiggles? Wiggling is now punishable by hitting? Yes. VERY slow witted.

 

[CdnCarrie]

I can tell that they hit a child. That is all I need to know to make the statement that those ladies are slow witted.

And then to threaten him with more hits if he wiggles? Wiggling is now punishable by hitting? Yes. VERY slow witted.

Agreed. And I can gather clues to their personality by seeing the glee and giggling they demonstrate while doing the punishment.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

 

[3smithboys]

I have a problem with every side of this story....

As a educator, I have a problem with disciplining a child through hitting them...

As a parent, I have a problem with a child who acts that way in school.... He should not be hitting other children and spitting at adults...

As a adult, I would never allow anyone to hit my child, and I would never stand there and video tape it while it was happening... (and to say my kid was truant for going to the Dr???? huh??... That doesn't pass the smell test....)

The whole situation is sad.

 

[roseaster]

Personal observations are more accurate than scientifically gathered data? That is just ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that minority children and children with disabilities are subjected to corporal punishment at a higher rate. I do believe that this child is Latino, BTW. You can "observe" all you want and have whatever opinions you want, the data shows differently.

These women may be educated, but they are backward. Everyone would agree that doctors have had a lot of education, but if you went to a doctor for a headache and they wanted to drill a hole in your skull, you would definitely think that they are backward and old fashioned, and haven't kept up on the latest studies. These 2 hags are the exact same, only with dealing with children with behavioral problems. Every study has shown that beating a child is not an effective form of discipline. This is a method of punishment that has long been outlawed in many, many areas. If someone took a stick and beat a dog that chewed a shoe, they would be facing criminal charges, but it is okay to beat a child with a stick. It is no longer legal to flog criminals in the town square, either.

People can say, "I got beat, my wife, got beat, my kids got beat and we all turned out okay." or "One beating won't scar him for life," but no one knows what beating this child will do to him. You do not know his emotional or neurological make up. This is a child, He is 5, what earthly reason would it ever be acceptable to beat a small child (anyone, really) with a piece of wood? How are you teaching a child that hitting is wrong by hitting him?

The most disgusting part of the whole thing is those 2 hags (and I would like to use much stronger words) are getting joy out of this. They are giggling like beating a child is something funny that they enjoy. They are listening to a child wail and beg in terror and they are giggling over the prospect of being able to beat him with a piece of wood. I think that there is a special corner of hell for trash like that.

This child, obviously, has a very unstable home life. An educator who cares for children would recognize this and offer support and stability to a child in that position. They would build his self esteem and give him a place where he felt valued. They wouldn't further tear him down and humiliate him, and beating a child is nothing but humiliation. Children should feel safe at school. This should be the place where a child like this would feel safe and able to confide in a teacher, or counselor, or principal if something were wrong at home. School will never be that place for this child.

 

[sam_gordon]

I realize that you are a older gentleman who is rather set in the ways of his generation and seems to believe that the younger generation are not as good at raising children as your own. But what does anything that you state have to do with hitting another human being with a stick. HIT WITH A PIECE OF WOOD.

Sorry but once you mention that you think its okay to HIT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITH A PIECE OF WOOD I have lost any sort of respect I ever had for you. Sorry. Nothing you can say or debate or how many facts you state or how many times you insult the parenting styles of your children and grandchildren's generations I will never ever get respect back for you.

And if you don't like the new parent styles then your generation is to blame. You are the ones who raised the current generation of parents. So obviously you did something wrong that made us all such horrible parents. Sorry but I get so mad at holier than thou seniors who talk as if their generation was so perfect and the younger generations are a bunch of morons.

I really don't care whether you respect me or not. This is an anonymous message board. What I have a problem with is people making assumptions and declaring them fact.
1) I never said or thought the current generation of parents are not as good at raising children. You don't want to spank your children or allow a school or someone else to do that, that's fine. I don't think that makes you a bad parent.
2) Where did I insult ANYONE's parenting style? If I insulted anyone, I apologize. But I guess it's ok to insult others who disagree with YOUR viewpoint (I know you didn't, but the "hillbilly" comments ARE insulting, but that's OK, right?)
3) You have no idea about me. Considering my oldest child is 17, I hope to GOD I didn't raise the "current generation of parents".

I don't think anyone on the "pro spanking" side of this debate thinks every child needs spanked, nor that every parent needs to spank. Personally, it sounds more like the "anti spanking" crowd is the judgemental one (and they have the right to be).

As far as I'm concerned, there is one fact for me... for MY kids and MY family, spanking "worked". I don't really care about others who say "kids will learn to be sneakier", "they'll learn to hate you", or whatever. It WORKED for us. Period, end of story as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I could see the mother being concerned about some type of court action for the absences and not knowing what else to do. I'm not in Georgia but here there are very few things that count as excused absences. Dr. Appointments would not be excused. Schools send threatening letters home when students start get close to max absences, not even super close but over half. It doesn't matter if those absences are because of a nasty stomach bug, broken leg, dr. Appointments or just a kid skipping school. They are all unexcused and viewed the same. I haven't read anything about this mom so I don't know if this fits her or not but I could see a parent being afraid after being threatened with courts over absences. Dealing with courts, especially over your child and parenting can be very scary and even scarier if you don't have the means to consult with or hire a lawyer to help you, missing work to deal with courts can be devastating to someone who is hanging on to their job by a thread ( which could be the case for someone who has taken off lots of time to take their child to 18 dr. appointments) and needs the pay check or will quickly be on the street.
While I understand there is a time and place for spanking by a parent, there is no reason for it to be going on in schools. I'd say I can't believe schools still allow this but then I look at some of the other backwards, old fashioned, ridiculous things going on in some states and I realize it shouldn't be shocking.

Are you serious? My DD, three days before 9/11, woke up with a backache which became increasingly worse over the next few days. It took seven weeks to diagnose her. She missed school because of pain, Dr's appointments, biopsies and other tests, because they thought it was leukemia or tumor on her spine. The school and her teachers bent over backwards to be supportive and accommodating. AND, we already had a Disney trip planned for that November; I told them that if she was physically able, we were going, because if we learned anything from 9/11 and the threat of a serious illness, it was that "you just never know." And they supported us with that as well.

I find nothing wrong with corporal punishment. If more of the snowflakes raised during the past 30 years had been subjected to it, we probably wouldn't have so many whining cry-babies who are offended when they don't get their way.

As for the"hillbilly" crack, that just creates the perception that those posters are ignorant, and as we all know, perception is reality.

Those snowflakes didn't become snowflakes because they weren't hit, nor would hitting fix what made them snowflakes. I suppose the affluenza kid would have turned out ok IF ONLY THEY HAD SMACKED HIM?

Honestly after looking at the states which still allow corporal punishment in school its really not surprising. There's a few in there I wasn't thinking of but, for the most part the list is exactly what I was expecting.

Ditto.

I love when people make the argument that spanking is okay because they were spanked and they turned out just fine. Um, no you didn't, you grew up to become an adult who thinks it's okay to hit children.

Awesome response.

It's really disheartening and quite honestly pretty disgusting to see how many people think paddling, by "educators", or anyone else, is acceptable. Gotta say how grateful I am, for many reasons that are in the news daily, including this, to live in RI.

Paddling is a despicable act. I raised three polite, respectful and respected, educated, law abiding employed contributing members of society without hitting. NOBODY hits my child. NOBODY. It's barbaric.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

This child, obviously, has a very unstable home life. An educator who cares for children would recognize this and offer support and stability to a child in that position. They would build his self esteem and give him a place where he felt valued. They wouldn't further tear him down and humiliate him, and beating a child is nothing but humiliation. Children should feel safe at school. This should be the place where a child like this would feel safe and able to confide in a teacher, or counselor, or principal if something were wrong at home. School will never be that place for this child.

This is so true and very well said. It made me tear up a bit.

That little boy is naughty, to say the least. I bet he is an awful child to have in class (when his mom gets him to school).

But he is five years old. Five. He needs help. It is obvious by his truancy alone that the child needs help. Add in the spitting, and any educated person knows that this is not normal behavior for a five year old.

Help him. Don't hit him.

My heart breaks for him.