Class-Action Lawsuit against Disney Parks filed - CORRECTION: not class-action

[Maggie'sMom]

I think a lot of ppl who haven't used DAC whether you could or not should t be making comments at all! A typical day goes like this RIGHT NOW -approach a ride get a return time walk your child/children around until time on card, approach ride and wait for an addition time for your ride, others situation as follows get you FP+ time before you enter park arrive at ride at time of FP+ and get in line to wait to ride! see the difference a DAC right now is making them wait twice, yes they could do other things granted but everyone is talking about equal assess this is not equal.

Your argument doesn't hold water. Someone using the DAS isn't prohibited from also using FP+. So the DAS is over and above what the average parkgoer gets. You are also not taking into account that during the time you are waiting until the DAS return time, you can go ride attractions that have short wait times.

 

[Disfanx4]

Your argument doesn't hold water. Someone using the DAS isn't prohibited from also using FP+. So the DAS is over and above what the average parkgoer gets. You are also not taking into account that during the time you are waiting until the DAS return time, you can go ride attractions that have short wait times.

Again people walking in shoes that don't fit, what might work for one doesn't mean it works for the next, there is a saying that goes like this "If you've met ONE child with Autism, you have met ONE child with Autism" I have been twice since the new system was put in place and yes the deduct 10mins from stand by line wait time but on more then one occasion when we returned to the ride after waiting the required time we stood in the FP line for 30 additional minutes, so in total the wait time for a single ride was 70 mins, and no can't very well use FP+ for more then 1 ride as she only rides 1 ride, like a said previously everyone has a different situation

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I think a lot of ppl who haven't used DAC whether you could or not should t be making comments at all! A typical day goes like this RIGHT NOW -approach a ride get a return time walk your child/children around until time on card, approach ride and wait for an addition time for your ride, others situation as follows get you FP+ time before you enter park arrive at ride at time of FP+ and get in line to wait to ride! see the difference a DAC right now is making them wait twice, yes they could do other things granted but everyone is talking about equal assess this is not equal.

I'm not sure what you are saying. How are people using the DAS waiting twice? They get their return time and leave and go off and do other things, whatever it may be. Then they come back and wait in the FP line. Sounds like once to me. Plus they have 3 FP's on top of that.

Again, if a ride is 120 minutes, people with a DAS will get a 110 minute time stamp on it, to be used any time that day after that 110 minutes (by the way it doesn't expire). When they return they wait on the FP line. So their only wait is on the FP line when they come back. Meanwhile everyone else stuck in that 120 minute line was not able to do anything else but wait. I think the DAS is more than fair. Everyone else only has the 3 FP's and that's it. So non-disabled families are faced with waiting on very long lines or not even going on particular rides, because how many of us can actually stand on a 2 hour line disabled or not.

 

[disneyguyla]

With the DAS, the whole party waits a similar time to the Standby line, just not in line.
With your suggestion, the family would never get to be together since there is no way/place for the guest with DAS and one or 2 others to join those who waited in line.
It would also be discriminatory, since people without disabilities are allowed to be together, but those with disabilities are made to wait apart for no reason.

It is not discriminatory to do that as you call it, because quite a few families do it now and do not have disabled children. What I am saying is that it is not right for a group of people , might it be uncles ,aunts, cousins , etc to get in because of the disabled child. As for schools group that is another story. And for a child that has no hope that is also a different story. But you can try to justified this all you want, but the law says equal access not special treatment.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I think a lot of ppl who haven't used DAC whether you could or not should t be making comments at all! A typical day goes like this RIGHT NOW -approach a ride get a return time walk your child/children around until time on card, approach ride and wait for an addition time for your ride, others situation as follows get you FP+ time before you enter park arrive at ride at time of FP+ and get in line to wait to ride! see the difference a DAC right now is making them wait twice, yes they could do other things granted but everyone is talking about equal assess this is not equal.

First, no one, not you, not me, not anyone, other than the moderators have the right to say who can or can't comment on any given topic.

Second, since the DAS and FP+ are two different systems, there is no reason to expect that they would operate in the same fashion. Both have their advantages. For FP+, the advantage is in being able to make ride reservations in advance. For DAS, the advantages are being able to use the DAS an unlimited number of times per day, not having the return time expire, and being able to obtain return times even when no FP+ return times are left.

Third, there is nothing to stop a guest from using both FP+ and the DAS; in fact, Disney encourages guests to do so.

Given these facts, I don't see how anyone can claim that the DAS doesn't grant equal access.

 

[Disfanx4]

I'm not sure what you are saying. How are people using the DAS waiting twice? They get their return time and leave and go off and do other things, whatever it may be. Then they come back and wait in the FP line. Sounds like once to me. Plus they have 3 FP's on top of that. Again, if a ride is 120 minutes, people with a DAS will get a 110 minute time stamp on it, to be used any time that day after that 110 minutes (by the way it doesn't expire). When they return they wait on the FP line. So their only wait is on the FP line when they come back. Meanwhile everyone else stuck in that 120 minute line was not able to do anything else but wait. I think the DAS is more than fair. Everyone else only has the 3 FP's and that's it. So non-disabled families are faced with waiting on very long lines or not even going on particular rides, because how many of us can actually stand on a 2 hour line disabled or not.

As I just said the wait time from the time you get the stamp is a wait time for us as she only rides one ride, walking her around to me isn't doing something else it's waiting and then we go wait in line I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying that people don't know every other families situation and making broad statements about something you don't know the first thing about (my family) just rubs me the wrong way. It's easy to say teach them to wait but try it sometime when you have 2 children on totally different ends of the spectrum. If I didn't want to go I wouldn't that's not what I'm saying at all. She loves the characters and parades and just being there, it's her happy place, as far as my second daughter goes the system is fine as she rides other things with her father, so please don't think I'm asking for anything except for people to not jump all over me for stating a fact.

 

[disneyguyla]

I escorted a high school student in a wheel chair along with 5 other fellow students to DL. School rules require the group to stay together. So am I and my group just out of luck?

School groups have to be together, even if there is not a disabled person, so you really are far reaching on your answer. But aunts uncles, cousins and so on should not be allowed special treatment just because they have a disabled person. Again the law states equal access not special treatment.

 

[OurBigTrip]

School groups have to be together, even if there is not a disabled person, so you really are far reaching on your answer. But aunts uncles, cousins and so on should not be allowed special treatment just because they have a disabled person. Again the law states equal access not special treatment.

I see absolutely no reason why a family shouldn't be able to ride together.

I do agree with the changes that prevent the DAS from being used unless the disabled person is actually riding. But families should be able to ride together using the DAS.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

As I just said the wait time from the time you get the stamp is a wait time for us as she only rides one ride, walking her around to me isn't doing something else it's waiting and then we go wait in line I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying that people don't know every other families situation and making broad statements about something you don't know the first thing about (my family) just rubs me the wrong way. It's easy to say teach them to wait but try it sometime when you have 2 children on totally different ends of the spectrum. If I didn't want to go I wouldn't that's not what I'm saying at all. She loves the characters and parades and just being there, it's her happy place, as far as my second daughter goes the system is fine as she rides other things with her father, so please don't think I'm asking for anything except for people to not jump all over me for stating a fact.

I'm sorry your daughter only wants to ride one ride. As you stated yourself, everyone's situation is different, there is no way for Disney to accommodate every different need they come across, it's just not possible. Maybe you can try to work with your DD to ride other rides. Maybe watch youtube videos of similar rides to what she likes before you go. Maybe you can spark her interest into other rides. I don't know what the answer is for you. Yes, it's a tough situation, but with at least one of your FP+ times and the DAS you will be able to ride that ride more than once. I'm assuming it's a headliner since you are talking about waits and I assume you previously used the GAC where you probably let her loop and loop when other people stood on lines for hours or didn't even go on because the lines were so long. That's not fair either.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I see absolutely no reason why a family shouldn't be able to ride together.

I do agree with the changes that prevent the DAS from being used unless the disabled person is actually riding. But families should be able to ride together using the DAS.

I agree, families should be able to ride together with the DAS, even if they have 10 or more in their group. Of course as long as the person with the DAS is actually riding the ride. Some of those people in that lawsuit talked about how their one child needed the GAC, but didn't want to ride all the rides, but their other child did. So they used the GAC for their other child, while the one who needed the GAC didn't. You also have reports of people getting a wheelchair for grandma and GAC, wheeled her up to like Space Mountain and then at the last minute she "chickens out", but the people with her still went on the ride. So in both of those cases there was someone in those groups that legitimately needed the GAC, but in a lot of cases didn't actually ride the rides. Why Disney now enforces the picture and makes sure the person is actually riding. The DAS does sound more fair and should cut down on cheating the system, but of course there will still be cheating.

 

[Disfanx4]

I'm sorry your daughter only wants to ride one ride. As you stated yourself, everyone's situation is different, there is no way for Disney to accommodate every different need they come across, it's just not possible. Maybe you can try to work with your DD to ride other rides. Maybe watch youtube videos of similar rides to what she likes before you go. Maybe you can spark her interest into other rides. I don't know what the answer is for you. Yes, it's a tough situation, but with at least one of your FP+ times and the DAS you will be able to ride that ride more than once. I'm assuming it's a headliner since you are talking about waits and I assume you previously used the GAC where you probably let her loop and loop when other people stood on lines for hours or didn't even go on because the lines were so long. That's not fair either.

Actually I never let her ride over and over, we have been going to disney at least once a year since she was 3 she is 11 and we have tried everything, but watching a ride on utube doesn't address the sensory issues once on the ride. Yes she gets to ride it twice but that was not even what my first post was about it was about the double wait time she has to wait. I do t expect anything from disney, I just don't agree when people make blanket statements without knowing every situations. And my daughter doesn't only WANT to ride one ride she isn't able to ride more then 1 ride due to sensory processing issues she has tried many but just can't tolerate them.the ride she can ride bye is the Nemo ride in Epcot and now the Ariel ride in MK but not by going through the dark line she uses the wheelchair entrance that gives her a shortcut at Nemo.

 

[disneyguyla]

Is it fair to the parents that have to wait in line for two hours or more for their child to ride? Is it fair that any child after a long time in line goes into a " meltdown" ? as quoted . I have to be honest anyone can have this problem when waiting in long hot lines. I am not saying that a disabled child does not deserve a DAS Card, but this lawsuit has really upset people including myself. Like one Poster said" It is a choice to go to Disney, no one is forced, but if you do go then you will have to wait and go back at your designated time because of the set up of the DAS card. But there are some that have the DAS card and still complain about it, just remember there are some parents that are having to wait in a regular long hot lines with their children, who might not get to ride but a few rides also. One final thing all children are a blessing from God, so please do not tell me how hard it is to have a disabled child, we are raising one and come from a family that have disabled people. But as stated earlier we do not ask for him to be treated differently, in fact last time we went he met quite a few new friends by standing in a regular line.

 

[Disfanx4]

Is it fair to the parents that have to wait in line for two hours or more for their child to ride? Is it fair that any child after a long time in line goes into a " meltdown" ? as quoted . I have to be honest anyone can have this problem when waiting in long hot lines. I am not saying that a disabled child does not deserve a DAS Card, but this lawsuit has really upset people including myself. Like one Poster said" It is a choice to go to Disney, no one is forced, but if you do go then you will have to wait and go back at your designated time because of the set up of the DAS card. But there are some that have the DAS card and still complain about it, just remember there are some parents that are having to wait in a regular long hot lines with their children, who might not get to ride but a few rides also. One final thing all children are a blessing from God, so please do not tell me how hard it is to have a disabled child, we are raising one and come from a family that have disabled people. But as stated earlier we do not ask for him to be treated differently, in fact last time we went he met quite a few new friends by standing in a regular line.

I never once asked to be treated differently just fairly there is a difference, and this is going exactly how I knew it would, never said anything about raising a child with a disability and please feel sorry for me EVER, just making the point of 2 wait times isn't equal nor fair but moving on twisting words and starting a slanging match I will not do

 

[disneyguyla]

I see absolutely no reason why a family shouldn't be able to ride together. I do agree with the changes that prevent the DAS from being used unless the disabled person is actually riding. But families should be able to ride together using the DAS.

If a family is consisting of that many people as I quoted then they should just wait in a regular line as any other family group that has aunts , uncles, cousins etc. Do you not agree?

 

[blingbowsparkles1]

Actually I never let her ride over and over, we have been going to disney at least once a year since she was 3 she is 11 and we have tried everything, but watching a ride on utube doesn't address the sensory issues once on the ride. Yes she gets to ride it twice but that was not even what my first post was about it was about the double wait time she has to wait. I do t expect anything from disney, I just don't agree when people make blanket statements without knowing every situations. And my daughter doesn't only WANT to ride one ride she isn't able to ride more then 1 ride due to sensory processing issues she has tried many but just can't tolerate them.the ride she can ride bye is the Nemo ride in Epcot and now the Ariel ride in MK but not by going through the dark line she uses the wheelchair entrance that gives her a shortcut at Nemo.

So if you don't mind me asking why do you insist on bringing her somewhere that she can only ride one thing and seems to cause her anxiety?

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I never once asked to be treated differently just fairly there is a difference, and this is going exactly how I knew it would, never said anything about raising a child with a disability and please feel sorry for me EVER, just making the point of 2 wait times isn't equal nor fair but moving on twisting words and starting a slanging match I will not do

I don't think you are getting the point. You are not waiting twice. You are waiting once. If you choose to get a DAS then you will get a return time. I understand you are not getting on the ride right away, but you always have the choice to wait on the stand by line. You said Nemo was the ride she loves to ride, well that tends to be a ride with very little wait. I would think with the exception of Xmas and Easter weeks, it has like a 5/10 minute wait. So why not just go on the stand by line. If you get there early you can probably ride multiple times in a row without the use of the DAS or FP+, then for later in the afternoon you can have your FP+ scheduled and use the DAS. The Little Mermaid ride will be a little trickier since it's more popular, but again, getting there early with utilizing the FP+ and DAS she should be able to ride it quite a few times.

Question: What did you do before Little Mermaid? Did you only go to Epcot your whole vacation and just ride Nemo or did you go to the other parks and make due? If you made due, I don't get why you can't do that now. I'm not trying to pick on you. I don't understand why you can't see you are not waiting twice. Would you rather wait on the 70 minute line or 30 minute FP line when you return? I know which one I would want. For the most part the FP line will not be 30 minutes. I imagine that happens when there is a problem with the ride or loading more wheelchair bound people than usual. You said your DD likes the characters, how about trying to find some during your DAS waits. Time a DAS tine during the parade and go see the parade. Can also time the DAS time during lunch and dinner. Again, a lot you can do.

 

[Disfanx4]

So if you don't mind me asking why do you insist on bringing her somewhere that she can only ride one thing and seems to cause her anxiety?

If you read my previous post she is happy there she rides what she does, loves characters, never once did I say anything about anxiety just that it is hard for her to wait twice for her ride, she loves the parades as well as she sees a lot of characters all at once, she only has a few spoken words and Disney is one of them, I'm not going to not take her just b/c of one situation

 

[OurBigTrip]

If a family is consisting of that many people as I quoted then they should just wait in a regular line as any other family group that has aunts , uncles, cousins etc. Do you not agree?

No, I don't agree. If a family is at Disney together, they should be able to ride together, DAS or no DAS.

 

[OurBigTrip]

If you read my previous post she is happy there she rides what she does, loves characters, never once did I say anything about anxiety just that it is hard for her to wait twice for her ride, she loves the parades as well as she sees a lot of characters all at once, she only has a few spoken words and Disney is one of them, I'm not going to not take her just b/c of one situation

She isn't waiting twice, she's waiting once.

 

[blingbowsparkles1]

If you read my previous post she is happy there she rides what she does, loves characters, never once did I say anything about anxiety just that it is hard for her to wait twice for her ride, she loves the parades as well as she sees a lot of characters all at once, she only has a few spoken words and Disney is one of them, I'm not going to not take her just b/c of one situation

I was just curious as to why this is important to you. We may have to agree to disagree on the DAS though because I don't think Disney owes you anything more then what they are already giving you. I think this lawsuit is ridiculous and shows just how entitled so many feel today(
I am not referring to you unless you are named on the lawsuit). I am glad that your daughter is happy there and I don't begrudge her any fun at Disney but I also don't think she should have immediate access to a ride several times in a row.