Disney to "Quiet the Noise" in Culture Wars

[georgina]

You've mentioned a couple of archaic, overtly racist policies from 60+ years ago. I think we have found common ground. We both can agree on what overt racism looks like.

I'm more interested in what present-day viewpoints you find racist or bigoted?

How about education - slaves were 'involuntary immigrants' who benefitted from slavery because they learned skills, (never mind the fact that they were beaten, raped, families sold elsewhere, etc, etc, etc.....) We can't teach students about history and racism because it will make the majority race feel bad about themselves. Look at the race and sexual identity of the majority of restricted and banned books. How about voting - gerrymandering districts so crazily that voters of a minority have their votes so heavily diluted they can't have any effect on the results? A certain presidential candidate - who is a US citizen ONLY because he was born here to non-citizens - is claiming he will deport all the children like him who were born here to non-citizens.

 

[gmi3804]

I'm more interested in what present-day viewpoints you find racist or bigoted?

How about education - slaves were 'involuntary immigrants' who benefitted from slavery because they learned skills, (never mind the fact that they were beaten, raped, families sold elsewhere, etc, etc, etc.....) We can't teach students about history and racism because it will make the majority race feel bad about themselves. Look at the race and sexual identity of the majority of restricted and banned books. How about voting - gerrymandering districts so crazily that voters of a minority have their votes so heavily diluted they can't have any effect on the results? A certain presidential candidate - who is a US citizen ONLY because he was born here to non-citizens - is claiming he will deport all the children like him who were born here to non-citizens.

Careful! Teaching history is political now!

 

[Douglas Dubh]

How about education - slaves were 'involuntary immigrants' who benefitted from slavery because they learned skills, (never mind the fact that they were beaten, raped, families sold elsewhere, etc, etc, etc.....) We can't teach students about history and racism because it will make the majority race feel bad about themselves. Look at the race and sexual identity of the majority of restricted and banned books. How about voting - gerrymandering districts so crazily that voters of a minority have their votes so heavily diluted they can't have any effect on the results? A certain presidential candidate - who is a US citizen ONLY because he was born here to non-citizens - is claiming he will deport all the children like him who were born here to non-citizens.

All of your examples are based on the distortion of facts.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Since both woke and bigot or subjective by definition
it could be argued that anyone who is woke is a bigot

 

[Robbie Cottam]

What does it feel to live in denial?? Is it nice there?

interesting, I would like to ask you the same question?

 

[porschegrl]

Since both woke and bigot or subjective by definition
it could be argued that anyone who is woke is a bigot

I'm not following your logic at all. Please do make that argument.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I'm not following your logic at all. Please do make that argument.

Why because you don't like it, you don't understand it,
Or don't want to admit it was right?

 

[tx911]

We're not going to change each other's opinion. I feel like I do when I have these discussions with my sister, and we both end up exhausted and nothing has changed

I will say that I think it's harmful to believe that conservatives are bigoted or racist, etc. That is almost always a false narrative and doesn't help the conversation. And we do need to be able to have a conversation about these issues.

I'm afraid that a lot of the policies that are implemented to help minorities are actually hurting them in the long run, and hurting race relations in general.

 

[PollyannaMom]

I'm more interested in what present-day viewpoints you find racist or bigoted?

I'll give you a simple one, shared with me by my son when he was a teen. - When DS (who is white) goes into a store with a black friend, they are closely observed; when he goes into the same store with a white friend (of similar age and financial status) they are left alone.

I think he was right in concluding that was racist.

 

[georgina]

I'll give you a simple one, shared with me by my son when he was a teen. - When DS (who is white) goes into a store with a black friend, they are closely observed; when he goes into the same store with a white friend (of similar age and financial status) they are left alone.

I think he was right in concluding that was racist.

Similar experience with a black woman being asked to give them her purse while she shopped, kept it behind the counter.

 

[Smugpugmug]

Similar experience with a black woman being asked to give them her purse while she shopped, kept it behind the counter.

Both what you and PollyannaMom happened to my friend (who is black) and I when we went to a Big Lots. The employees made my friend leave her backpack behind the counter AND they followed us throughout the store. No one else was followed.

 

[porschegrl]

Why because you don't like it, you don't understand it,
Or don't want to admit it was right?

You said an argument can be made. I don't know what that argument would be.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Lots of pretty new members here ready to argue. Interesting...


Repeat offenders?

 

[LSUmiss]

We're not going to change each other's opinion. I feel like I do when I have these discussions with my sister, and we both end up exhausted and nothing has changed

I will say that I think it's harmful to believe that conservatives are bigoted or racist, etc. That is almost always a false narrative and doesn't help the conversation. And we do need to be able to have a conversation about these issues.

I'm afraid that a lot of the policies that are implemented to help minorities are actually hurting them in the long run, and hurting race relations in general.

No one said anything about conservatives. The discussion was about those who proclaim that they are “anti woke”.

 

[gmi3804]

No one said anything about conservatives. The discussion was about those who proclaim that they are “anti woke”.

Why do those people bring politics into something that’s about humanity? It’s almost like they’re trying to divide.

 

[starlite_]

interesting, I would like to ask you the same question?

Wouldn't know, cause I live in reality. Where racists keep trying to delude themselves and pretend they are good ppl.

 

[starlite_]

No one said anything about conservatives. The discussion was about those who proclaim that they are “anti woke”.

Folks always tell on themselves.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

You said an argument can be made. I don't know what that argument would be.

The argument is simple both terms "woke" and "bigot" are so subject that either side could claim the other is a bigot, and anti-woke…..

You just have to understand that both sides are “actively attentive to important societal facts and issues.” Just the issues are different.

In either case, it could be argued that the other is being “unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction”

At the end of the day, all the name-calling is just a failure to communicate effectively

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Wouldn't know, cause I live in reality. Where racists keep trying to delude themselves and pretend they are good ppl.

Not sure I believe that

 

[DisneyOma]

I disagree. I think most people welcome diversity. The world would be dreary without it.

I do not think a lack of diversity in a particular setting necessarily implies racism or any other -ism either.

If a lack of diversity exists in a particular area, there are probably other reasons for it that have nothing to do with race per se.

Redlining in certain areas made it nearly impossible for people of color to start on family wealth by purchasing a home. It still happens in the US - my mom lives in Florida, and there was a recent article in the St. Pete's area about it.

They aren't putting anything together. They are elected.

If there is a lack of diversity in people who are running for senate, I would argue it has nothing to do with the color of their skin.

Good grief, we just recently elected a member of the minority to the presidency, never mind the senate.

I just don't see the widespread racism that some of you espouse.

We have had one non-white president, out of 46. 12% of the senate is non-white, 28% of the Reps. Non-Hispanic whites make up 59.3% of the US population, but are 88% if the senate.

What a simplistic, and tiresome, point of view.

Ok, 50% of the population are immoral bigots. Yeah, that seems accurate.

Pretty much makes intelligent discussion of the issue impossible, but I'm curious about what specifically you find immoral in the opposing viewpoint?

Where'd you get 50%?

The same party that was for Jim Crow laws and segregation are now pro-woke, which results in segregation.

Comparing the Democrats of 1877 to the present party is ludicrous. A decent history class in high school explains how the policies of each party flipped, especially with the Civil Rights Act.