News Round Up 2018

[jknezek]

That seems an odd thing to do.

I saw posts from people who had MK tickets for today and couldn't get in. This is why specific day, specific park tickets stink. They oversold the park. They should refund specific park tickets because they screwed up. They wont, of course. But they aren't building a future fan base the way they used to. It will come home to roost in 20 years. But no one cares about 20 years from now today.

 

[rteetz]

I saw posts from people who had MK tickets for today and couldn't get in. This is why specific day, specific park tickets stink. They oversold the park. They should refund specific park tickets because they screwed up. They wont, of course. But they aren't building a future fan base the way they used to. It will come home to roost in 20 years. But no one cares about 20 years from now today.

Are these posts public? I think that it’s a small number of people who buy a one day MK ticket for NYE. And if they do they are a general tourist who doesn’t know much of anything about Disney. MK hasn’t been closed all day either. It went Phase B mid- late morning which is basically only for one day MK tickets. It reopened to all guests at roughly 5:15PM EST. Not sure if it’s closed again or not.

 

[Keels]

I saw posts from people who had MK tickets for today and couldn't get in. This is why specific day, specific park tickets stink. They oversold the park. They should refund specific park tickets because they screwed up. They wont, of course. But they aren't building a future fan base the way they used to. It will come home to roost in 20 years. But no one cares about 20 years from now today.

That does stink for them ... but there were many easy things they could've done to avoid being shutout in a phased closure - have an ADR, have a FP+ for any point in time at MK during that day. So, their failure to plan was indeed a plan to fail in this case.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That does stink for them ... but there were many easy things they could've done to avoid being shutout in a phased closure - have an ADR, have a FP+ for any point in time at MK during that day. So, their failure to plan was indeed a plan to fail in this case.

I'm not so sure I would put it as a failure.

People tend to forget that this Board is not the same as a lot of people.

I personally don't care one whit about ADRs. I liked the places I ate sure but it was not a necessity and that by no means meant I didn't plan if I didn't want to eat at TS or want an ADR.

Now FPs I liked pre-planning that part and would utilize that (though I think we only used 3 FPs back in 2011 total) but again those aren't part of planning to everyone.

And lastly who the heck outside of here even knows that MK closes down much less what a Phase B closure is. Now granted if you saw that message you could opt to make a FP (any FP) that would get you in the parks (hopefully there were some still available) but at the same time I understand (and greatly appreciate) that not everyone knows or understands FPs. Plus not knowing or understanding the MDE app (or even has a phone capable of getting the app or is near a computer and has signed up for a MDE account, etc).

I would guess for sure that NYE would be very busy but I wouldn't know that it could actually close to guests unless they fit specific parameters set forth-well I know now that is after being on these Boards.

 

[DisFanDad]

News

Some changes to the inside of the Odyssey

https://twitter.com/epcotnye/status/1079770217935523840?s=21

Still posting news at 1K pages and with only a few hours left in the year, you are awesome Rteetz

 

[rteetz]

I'm not so sure I would put it as a failure.

People tend to forget that this Board is not the same as a lot of people.

I personally don't care one whit about ADRs. I liked the places I ate sure but it was not a necessity and that by no means meant I didn't plan if I didn't want to eat at TS or want an ADR.

Now FPs I liked pre-planning that part and would utilize that (though I think we only used 3 FPs back in 2011 total) but again those aren't part of planning to everyone.

And lastly who the heck outside of here even knows that MK closes down much less what a Phase B closure is. Now granted if you saw that message you could opt to make a FP (any FP) that would get you in the parks (hopefully there were some still available) but at the same time I understand (and greatly appreciate) that not everyone knows or understands FPs. Plus not knowing or understanding the MDE app (or even has a phone capable of getting the app or is near a computer and has signed up for a MDE account, etc).

I would guess for sure that NYE would be very busy but I wouldn't know that it could actually close to guests unless they fit specific parameters set forth-well I know now that is after being on these Boards.

Which is why those missing out is doing so as a failure for themselves. A little research would show making a FP or ADR would let you in. I highly doubt a lot of people were turned away from MK anyways. Like I said MK did open back up.

The people on these boards are Uber planners. You don’t have to be an Uber planner to do a quick internet search about Walt Disney world.

 

[Keels]

I'm not so sure I would put it as a failure.

People tend to forget that this Board is not the same as a lot of people.

I personally don't care one whit about ADRs. I liked the places I ate sure but it was not a necessity and that by no means meant I didn't plan if I didn't want to eat at TS or want an ADR.

Now FPs I liked pre-planning that part and would utilize that (though I think we only used 3 FPs back in 2011 total) but again those aren't part of planning to everyone.

And lastly who the heck outside of here even knows that MK closes down much less what a Phase B closure is. Now granted if you saw that message you could opt to make a FP (any FP) that would get you in the parks (hopefully there were some still available) but at the same time I understand (and greatly appreciate) that not everyone knows or understands FPs. Plus not knowing or understanding the MDE app (or even has a phone capable of getting the app or is near a computer and has signed up for a MDE account, etc).

I would guess for sure that NYE would be very busy but I wouldn't know that it could actually close to guests unless they fit specific parameters set forth-well I know now that is after being on these Boards.

They apparently were educated enough to know how and where to purchase a ticket in advance thinking that would get them in. So, yeah, the failure is on their part and not Disney as MK did eventually open up again to all guests.

As for the comments on closure - it's literally on the news, radio, TV and internet every year around the holidays in Central Florida. Again, if you don't think the parks are going to be crowded and don't prepare yourself for what might happen - that's on you.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Which is why those missing out is doing so as a failure for themselves. A little research would show making a FP or ADR would let you in. I highly doubt a lot of people were turned away from MK anyways. Like I said MK did open back up.

The people on these boards are Uber planners. You don’t have to be an Uber planner to do a quick internet search about Walt Disney world.

I think you missed the point of my post.

Calling it a failure to plan is inaccurate IMO. WDW gives ADRs and FPs as options. They are not requirements (well until a closure that is). Tickets to get into the park are requirements. If it's a preference to book ADRs or not that doesn't mean you didn't plan. If it's a preference to pre-book FPs or not doesn't mean you didn't plan. And not knowing in advance that a phased closure requires you to have those (well part of it and depending on your closure) doesn't constitute lack of planning.

Phase B closure according to wdwmagic is:
Phase B Closing
No admission of guests with one day tickets, and no re-entering or crossing over from another park unless they have one of the following:

• WDW Resort Guests, including The Four Seasons Resort, Swan, Dolphin or Shades of Green, Hotel Plaza Boulevard hotels arriving by bus (Best Western Lake Buena Vista Resort Hotel, The Buena Vista Palace, DoubleTree Suites by Hilton Hotel, B Resort, Wyndham Lake Buena Vista Resort, Hilton), Golden Oak residents and guests.
• WDW Premier Passport, Annual & Premium Passholders
• Guests with Memory Maker
• Guests with dining reservations
• Magic Kingdom Guests with reservations for Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique, Harmony Barber Shop or The Pirates League.
• FastPass+ reservations and is a WDW Resort hotel guest.

So if I'm understanding this correctly if I was staying at All-Star Sports but didn't have an ADR, didn't have a FP I could be admitted to MK. I don't think we would call me who opted to stay onsite uneducated nor failure in planning. I was simply given a perk for staying onsite (meaning higher chance of me not be closed out of the park).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They apparently were educated enough to know how and where to purchase a ticket in advance thinking that would get them in. So, yeah, the failure is on their part and not Disney as MK did eventually open up again to all guests.

As for the comments on closure - it's literally on the news, radio, TV and internet every year around the holidays in Central Florida. Again, if you don't think the parks are going to be crowded and don't prepare yourself for what might happen - that's on you.

okie doke.

 

[rteetz]

I think you missed the point of my post.

Calling it a failure to plan is inaccurate IMO. WDW gives ADRs and FPs as options. They are not requirements (well until a closure that is). Tickets to get into the park are requirements. If it's a preference to book ADRs or not that doesn't mean you didn't plan. If it's a preference to pre-book FPs or not doesn't mean you didn't plan. And not knowing in advance that a phased closure requires you to have those (well part of it and depending on your closure) doesn't constitute lack of planning.

Phase B closure according to wdwmagic is:
Phase B Closing
No admission of guests with one day tickets, and no re-entering or crossing over from another park unless they have one of the following:

• WDW Resort Guests, including The Four Seasons Resort, Swan, Dolphin or Shades of Green, Hotel Plaza Boulevard hotels arriving by bus (Best Western Lake Buena Vista Resort Hotel, The Buena Vista Palace, DoubleTree Suites by Hilton Hotel, B Resort, Wyndham Lake Buena Vista Resort, Hilton), Golden Oak residents and guests.
• WDW Premier Passport, Annual & Premium Passholders
• Guests with Memory Maker
• Guests with dining reservations
• Magic Kingdom Guests with reservations for Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique, Harmony Barber Shop or The Pirates League.
• FastPass+ reservations and is a WDW Resort hotel guest.

So if I'm understanding this correctly if I was staying at All-Star Sports but didn't have an ADR, didn't have a FP I could be admitted to MK. I don't think we would call me who opted to stay onsite uneducated nor failure in planning. I was simply given a perk for staying onsite (meaning higher chance of me not be closed out of the park).

That’s why I say the amount of people actually excluded from MK during a Phase B is small. I really don’t think it’s a big deal until they start hitting the major phase closures which hasn’t happened in years.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That’s why I say the amount of people actually excluded from MK during a Phase B is small. I really don’t think it’s a big deal until they start hitting the major phase closures which hasn’t happened in years.

Yeah I wasn't saying tons of people were locked out. I was responding to calling it a failure on someone...unless you would say I was a failure for not having an ADR and not having a FP but simply by sheer luck staying onsite?

In any case just giving my opinion

 

[rteetz]

Yeah I wasn't saying tons of people were locked out. I was responding to calling it a failure on someone...unless you would say I was a failure for not having an ADR and not having a FP but simply by sheer luck staying onsite?

The people who are excluded could have easily avoided it though with some easy planning. You don’t have to do much as noted in the closure exclusions. You could even book an ADR and not go to it. Sure you would be charged $10 or once in the park you could tell them you cancel or something. I just feel this doesn’t happen to that many people and if it does this people could have avoided it. The closures are in place for safety purposes. Disney did have the apparent option of giving people $50 gift cards too which is better than nothing.

 

[skier_pete]

News/Rumor

(Didn't see this posted... sorry if I missed it)

"'Big Surprise' from the Muppets teased for 2019
https://wdwnt.com/2018/12/big-surprise-from-the-muppets-teased-for-2019/

Taken from an interview with Kermit on LA TV station. Among the rumored possibilities (that have been discussed here) is a new show on Disney+ and/or more live performances.

Frankly, I would be thrilled with any new Muppet news right now! I'm also wondering if the full Muppets back catalog of shows and movies will be released on Disney+?

Pretty sure they already announced a show coming on Disney+. Please and thank you to that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The people who are excluded could have easily avoided it though with some easy planning. You don’t have to do much as noted in the closure exclusions. You could even book an ADR and not go to it. Sure you would be charged $10 or once in the park you could tell them you cancel or something. I just feel this doesn’t happen to that many people and if it does this people could have avoided it. The closures are in place for safety purposes. Disney did have the apparent option of giving people $50 gift cards too which is better than nothing.

Again I think you're missing it. What you see is as planning you're actually calling it a requirement.

The fact that I knowingly don't care about ADRs, or the fact that I may knowingly understand FP but opt to not get them (which believe it or not people do that even on the Boards here) doesn't mean someone didn't plan. But even then you're turning something that is an option in a requirement. If you say "hey there's these things called ADRs and FPs"..show the person all about it and they say "thanks but no thanks" you still going to call that not planning and then turn around and say "hey that thing you don't care about...yeah well if only you had planned tsk tsk".

I do think it's great they are giving GCs because they really don't have to. A closure is a closure. I'm not saying that in-itself is the issue.

On the ADR front that would incur a $10 per person no show charge if they made it but didn't go or cancelled within 24 hours. *yes yes I understand pushing the ADR off but let's say in a more general sense.

 

[rteetz]

Again I think you're missing it. What you see is as planning you're actually calling it a requirement.

The fact that I knowingly don't care about ADRs, or the fact that I may knowingly understand FP but opt to not get them (which believe it or not people do that even on the Boards here) doesn't mean someone didn't plan. But even then you're turning something that is an option in a requirement. If you say "hey there's these things called ADRs and FPs"..show the person all about it and they say "thanks but no thanks" you still going to call that not planning and then turn around and say "hey that thing you don't care about...yeah well if only you had planned tsk tsk".

I do think it's great they are giving GCs because they really don't have to. A closure is a closure. I'm not saying that in-itself is the issue.

If you want to get into the park without having to worry about phase closures then yes it is a requirement. If you go on NYE you should have a plan as it’s the busiest day in the parks every year. If you don’t plan that’s kind of on you not Disney. It’s not easy to wing it on NYE. Other days sure go ahead it won’t matter.

 

[jknezek]

Disney sold the tickets. The people bought them in good faith. If Disney oversold the park that is on them. You can try and blame the customers all you want, but Disney has set the structure so they control access. Selling something someone can't use is a customer service problem at . One person or thousands, Disney is at fault. And their new pricing structure makes them even more culpable. There is no excusing selling more than you have to sell. We jump all overy airlines when overbooking goes sour, Disney deserves no less scorn for the same problem for the money it costs

 

[JaxDad]

I would say both Disney AND those denied admission had planning fails. Sure, a Phase B Closure is a “plan” of sorts, but hopefully not something they view as a success.

 

[rteetz]

Disney sold the tickets. The people bought them in good faith. If Disney oversold the park that is on them. You can try and blame the customers all you want, but Disney has set the structure so they control access. Selling something someone can't use is a customer service problem at . One person or thousands, Disney is at fault. And their new pricing structure makes them even more culpable. There is no excusing selling more than you have to sell. We jump all overy airlines when overbooking goes sour, Disney deserves no less scorn for the same problem for the money it costs

Disney doesn’t oversell the parks really. You don’t know for sure which parks people are going to. Park hoppers add another level. The new ticket structure may help give them a better idea for this but I don’t think you can really oversell a park without selling park specific no park hopper tickets. That’s why they have the phased closures.

 

[rteetz]

I would say both Disney AND those denied admission had planning fails. Sure, a Phase B Closure is a “plan” of sorts, but hopefully not something they view as a success.

I guess. I just don’t see why Disney would be at much fault here. They have estimations for how many will show up to each park but there is not set number to know exactly how many will show up.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If you want to get into the park without having to worry about phase closures then yes it is a requirement. If you go on NYE you should have a plan as it’s the busiest day in the parks every year. If you don’t plan that’s kind of on you not Disney. It’s not easy to wing it on NYE. Other days sure go ahead it won’t matter.

I'm not sure you still get what I'm saying. You keep saying plan plan plan.

Phase B Closing
No admission of guests with one day tickets, and no re-entering or crossing over from another park unless they have one of the following:

• WDW Resort Guests, including The Four Seasons Resort, Swan, Dolphin or Shades of Green, Hotel Plaza Boulevard hotels arriving by bus (Best Western Lake Buena Vista Resort Hotel, The Buena Vista Palace, DoubleTree Suites by Hilton Hotel, B Resort, Wyndham Lake Buena Vista Resort, Hilton), Golden Oak residents and guests.
• WDW Premier Passport, Annual & Premium Passholders
• Guests with Memory Maker

These things will get you into the parks without planning period whatsoever. They are a perk Disney has designated.

I don't personally have issues with a closure nor have I said I did. But at least understand that people are getting into the parks without zero planning whatsoever. It's hypocritical, respectfully, to say "well if only you had planned" (with things they aren't required, things that are simply options available) without at the same time saying "the fact that I stayed onsite, the fact that I have an AP, the fact that I live in Golden Oaks (or am a guest of someone who lives there) or the fact that I bought MM means I get to get in (at least with a Phase B) without doing anything else and because Disney decided those parameters meant I could get in".