Parents of son's friend invitied him on a Disney trip for spring break next year

What a wonderful and generous offer. And your son holds the KEY. Do you think he really wants to go, because if he does you should say YES!!!!.
Let him start earning $$ towards this trip. Every dollar earned will give you both a sense of great satisfaction.


Their are sidewalks to shovel ( in my area, LOL) grass to cut, porches and trim to paint, dogs to walk ETC!!
This way he has $$ for extras, ice cream, water, game room fun, a tee shirt. That is where the other parents will appreciate his own spending $$ the most
 
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I just want to say one more thing cause this is bugging me. It is not wrong in anyway to accept gifts from anyone.

I think you need to find out why you think it’s wrong to except help or gifts from others. Because IMHO I’ll say it again... that is not wrong at all. There is nothing wrong or bad about it. Do your children get Christmas gifts from other family members? It’s really no different. And again as others have stated this family probably in no way sees this has a gift or hand out. You should feel lucky that your son has a friend that wants to take him on an adventure. That a friend chose him out of all their school friends.


If this is real, please just consider that you are way overthinking this charity thing. And stop using the word luxury. This is not a luxury gift. That would be like them giving your son a brand new truck or offering to buy him a house or something equally ridiculous. (Again you are over thinking this. It’s not that big of a deal.)
 
We had only have one child and we wanted bring a friend trips because it made our trip better. It might not be the sacrifice you are making it out to be. The probably would prefer the friend, less brain cracking roller coasters for dad
 
My older daughter is aware, but I haven't talked to her about this. I'm a bit more concerned about my youngest will feel especially since a place like Disney might excite her more than her brother.

I have a feeling that your little one will adopt the same attitude about this that you have. If you show excitement for your son being able to go, and take the attitude of "he got the opportunity, maybe you will ne day too, and if not, you will get to do other stuff", she will be perfectly fine. Remember, she has never been there and doesn't know what she is missing, so it's not going to be a big deal to her unless you make it one.
 
I just want to say one more thing cause this is bugging me. It is not wrong in anyway to accept gifts from anyone.

I think you need to find out why you think it’s wrong to except help or gifts from others. Because IMHO I’ll say it again... that is not wrong at all. There is nothing wrong or bad about it. Do your children get Christmas gifts from other family members? It’s really no different. And again as others have stated this family probably in no way sees this has a gift or hand out. You should feel lucky that your son has a friend that wants to take him on an adventure. That a friend chose him out of all their school friends.


If this is real, please just consider that you are way overthinking this charity thing. And stop using the word luxury. This is not a luxury gift. That would be like them giving your son a brand new truck or offering to buy him a house or something equally ridiculous. (Again you are over thinking this. It’s not that big of a deal.)

I'm ok with taking help if there are situations where my kids might need food, health care, or clothes. My wife was left wheelchair bound after a storke and I had to take financial help from a relative to make parts of our house wheelchair accessible and I'm still paying that relative back in small installments.

But, in my opinion, a trip to an expensive amusement park or resort is a luxury.
 
Before I respond to any of the following quotes I want to introduce myself and give you a little of my own background. My name is Nancy, and as a young mother of 23 I found myself alone with three children under the age of 5. My husband passed after an illness and we had nothing. He had been out of work for a long time, and I was the sole support of our family. Things were a little better after we began to receive SS survivor benefits, however I was not in the same league as two parent, two income households. My medical expenses for my children were all OOP, no insurance.

Anyway, one of the first lessons I needed to teach my children was that there would always be someone who had more than we did. More money, more toys, more games, a better car, and more extensive traveling. If we could not get there by car, we did not go. Period.

I taught them that I worked hard for our things, and that there was no shame in the fact that most of my furniture was hand me downs. It was clean, as was my home and my children.

We had food, and plenty of it. I froze, canned and baked.

I accepted Head Start for my kids. I knew I could not afford preschool and they needed that gift of early education. I reciprocated with my family and friends in the best way I could, however my resources were not the same, but the impact was. WE are not all equal earners but we give what is equitable to what we earn.

So now what? My children are all adults, all gainfully employed and fairly well adjusted. I was the recipient of "paying it forward" before that phrase was ever in play, and taught my children that the gift of time was as valuable as money, so they learned to volunteer at an early age, and they learned to donate whatever and whenever they could. They know that they had the best of what I could do, and they are now generous in whatever ways are suitable for them. They ALL "pay it forward" today, with monetary donations, gifts of food, and time, and whatever else the community is in need of. I do as well.

The goal in life is not to keep up with others, impoverishing yourself along the way, but to find a balance. Saving for a future when there is a present may sound like a good idea, however we must all have a something in the now to make the future seem worth getting to. Teach your kids to be proud of what you have, care for it and make no excuses. It is whatit is. Teach them not to be jealous of others possessions. You don't do this by hiding your own.

Giving them a gift card, cash, or snack box still wouldn't be enough for me to not feel comfortable. I try not to take help unless it's needed and I don't like to get material gifts for my kids especially if I can't provide it myself. I really don't know the other parents all that well. From what I can tell, we don't have a similar background. They are well off and I don't make a whole lot of money. They give their son a lot of expensive gifts and I can't give my son similar things. I just don't feel comfortable with them and I don't see how other people want to take their children's friends on trips. I feel they are boundaries in life and I don't even like my kids to have friends over constantly.

This is an issue you might want to work on. It lives in your head and if you pass this on to your children they will harbor doubt about themselves and their own worth. Is their value based on their possessions?



It's hard to not look at it as charity. The parents told me that a part of the reason they wanted to invite my boy was because they know that I don't have have money for traveling.

And that is a fact. Like you, I could not travel. I had no one offer to share those experiences with my kids, however I did have family and friends who shared expenses so we could expanded experiences. Now DH and I do this with some dear people who otherwise would not be able to travel or vacation.

This is the sort of attitude that I don't like. I don't like being made to feel guilty and depressed because I can't give my kids certain things. Maybe, your friends' parents felt like crap knowing that someone was able to give their child good experiences. I want my son to learn to live within means and not to take luxury gifts from other people.

Maybe so, however they rose above their own feelings to give their child an experience that would not otherwise have been possible. I am not telling you that you need to follow suit, however if you decide that thes is is not in your child's best interest, then own that. DO not look for validation that others would do the same or that others have had derogatory feelings about themselves. It is okay to say No. But be sure you do that for the right reason.

No I haven't considered therapy. I do my best to power through my tragedies and hard times. I don't take help and I won't waste insurance or money on therapy. Trust me my oldest has had friends who made fun of her room that she shares with her youger sister and that's why I don't like having my kids' friends over.

I already work overtime when it's offered. I said earlier in this thread that I'm saving money for my kids' future whether they go to college or trade/vocational school. I'm not going to risk using money for vacations when that money can go to my kids getting an education or a trade. I also do my best to not spend a lot of money for groceries and I don't even buy new clothes for myself. My wife never had expensive jewelry and we never had wedding rings either. I try to save money, but there's no way I can give my kids vacations plus educational expenses, food, insurance co-pays, clothes, and many other necessities.

Therapy is not a waste of money. I know this from personal experience. My means were similar to yours. For Donald's funeral I needed to buy unders because mine were in such sorry shape. I was blessed that some folks put money in cards for me rather than buy flowers, knowing that I desperately needed cash more. I was able to buy clothing when I had no idea what I was going to wear to bury my husband. I now do the same. I give the gift of cash or something else that is practical. Again, because some were generous with me, I continue to spread those gifts, and hope that from my gesture, those people will do the same. Bottom line, it is not all about you. There is always a bigger picture.

I put my kids first all the time. But, there are some things where I have to decide on how much help or charity to take. I don't want to teach my kids that extreme gifts from others are ok all the time.

This is what I wanted to end with. WE took the little family on my street to Disney with us a few years ago. The two little girls, who I love with all my heart, had had on very bad year. It was horrible on a variety of levels, and they and their Mom desperately needed a respite. WE saved to include them, and we did so by keeping our own spending to a minimum. DH was sent a video of one Princess belting out songs to Frozen and said that the money was the best we ever spent. They gave him a "grumpy" glass engraved with their names as a thank you, and it is among his treasures he keeps o a wall in his office. That gift was just as much for us as it was for them, and if their Dad would relent and let us take them again we would in a heartbeat. He, like you cannot justify the trip, but will not let them go unless their Mom can join us, and so far she cannot. It sucks to be them, but we cannot change his mindset and will not let on that we know where the issue is.
 
Still not sure I am seeing this whole thing as real...

Anyhow, I am now reminded of the thread, not too long ago, where the OP's daughter ccould not feel comfortable traveling with her own parents/family, all because her partner had the exact same bad attitude and learned helplessness that this OP is showing.

At this kid's age, the parent (OP) does have the right and the obligation to make these decisions for what is best for their family.
I would just like to note that what is best is not always what is easiest, or what does not offend one's own personal issues.

But, what was so bad about that other thread was that the DD and the OP basically had this decision made for them, with no discussion or compromise, based on negative issues similar to what this OP seems to have.

He did not have any things, extras, vacations, etc... growing up... and probably never will... so he imposed these negative issues and viewpoints onto others.

Just comes off as very very similar.
 
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But, in my opinion, a trip to an expensive amusement park or resort is a luxury.

You keep saying it’s a luxury, and I guess I’m not sure why that’s a problem and why you are using the word in a pejorative way. Your children have gone through a great deal of trauma recently. What is the problem with one of them enjoying a little luxury?
 
Yes, I agree... "I" think it is a luxury "with a negative connotation" that I do not, and never will, deserve.
And, therefore, the same goes for my kids....

This attitude sets up a really lose - lose scenario.
 
You keep saying it’s a luxury, and I guess I’m not sure why that’s a problem and why you are using the word in a pejorative way. Your children have gone through a great deal of trauma recently. What is the problem with one of them enjoying a little luxury?

I do what I can to bring joy to my kids' lives even if it is simple things like watching TV shows and movies together with popcorn and snacks at home or occasionally going out for pizza. But, I'm not going to let other people be on the hook financially for a trip that I can't pay out completely.
 
I'll accept help if there was a situation where my kids needed food or clothes and I wouldn't feel shame in it because those are needed things. However, people offering a luxury trip is different for me and its not comfortable for me and I don't see how the other family would be helping themselves out.
Which, again, goes back to you not seeing the presence/companionship/friendship of our son as worth anything. That's quite sad.

It appears the other family DOES value your son's friendship (at least towards their son). They feel that having him along to provide companionship for their son is worth the added cost to their trip. What is wrong with that?
 
My older daughter is aware, but I haven't talked to her about this. I'm a bit more concerned about my youngest will feel especially since a place like Disney might excite her more than her brother.

OP, I don't know nor do I want you to tell me your financial situation but you seem very focused on saving for their education. Important thing, education. But so is family. I don't think you should suddenly up and go to Disney necessarily but could you possibly swing a trip to the beach with some of the money you are saving? The beach can be relatively inexpensive.

Make memories with your kids. It doesn't have to be expensive travel.

If you let the 13 year old go to Disney, plan some special outings with the younger child. Just Daddy and me days.

As for you oldest dd telling you how she has missed out on so much, etc. She is a teen ager. ALL teen agers think they have the worst life possible and EVERYONE else has it better than them. Even the rich teenagers.
 
One thing no one has mentioned is that being asked is a compliment to your parenting and your child as well. If you had raised a brat instead of a good kid the parents never would have asked your child to go on the trip. It doesn’t matter what your circumstances are. I might offer help in other ways to a struggling family but if I hated being around their kid I wouldn’t invite their kid to an ice cream shop much less Disney.

I grew up poorer than most of the kids I knew and I was embarrassed by the state of my home compared to my friends’ homes and my sisters’ friends home. We were surprised by how many of friends wanted to hang out out our home though. Now that I’m older I realize that it was because

1. They wanted a break from their parents and

2. My mom always treated them with a smile and sincere interest in how they were doing. She also cared enough to remember what was going on in their lives.
 
Been reading along, been watching how this goes along ..... I think I'll just add some food for thought ...

- Your family has been through alot, I understand that
- My father died when I was in high school and I am the oldest of three
- My mom had no job so had to go out and get one
- I only needed one class to graduate so got permission to only attend 1st period then go to work
- After work I did the grocery shopping, cooking and laundry
- I was lucky that I did have a nice home, my own room and never felt less than others
- I would have given up anything I had to have my Dad back
- YOU are clearly having a difficult time with life right now, you seem lost and I feel like you need support
- NOT support from people you know but like PP said, maybe a private grieving or single parent group
- You've made a good start here, can you find such a group online if you aren't comfortable in person
- If you show even part of your feelings we see to your kids, you will transfer your anxieties on them
- For them, find a way to heal yourself

Now the Disney trip ..

- I get it for different reasons
- I never let my kids travel with other families, for a number of reasons
- I took DD friend to beach one year, no real cost to us to add her
- I took DD friend to Disney for DD Grad Trip, I figured they'd go off but they stayed with us
- She had to pay for her own park tickets and spending money, I covered the rest
- Here is where you can possibly compromise .............
- Sounds like the family really wants to take him for their DS
- Their over and above will be airfare, park ticket and dining
- Let them pay for the airfare, again it's so their DS has a friend, maybe the best for their trip
- Dining, don't worry about it but I would tell my DS to order inexpensive items, glasses of water etc
- Tell your DS that he can go with the understanding HE has to raise the money for his park tickets
- Maybe you can kick start his fund with $50 for incentive
- There is time and he's old enough
- Odd jobs, babysit, shovel snow, be creative, have him ask for cash in lieu of holiday gifts
- And tell him he has to have XXX saved before they book the plane tickets, good faith
- Never too early to teach kids how to earn, how to be an entrepreneur and how to save
- If he says he doesn't want to do the work to earn the trip, then HE decided not to go



I already work overtime when it's offered. I said earlier in this thread that I'm saving money for my kids' future whether they go to college or trade/vocational school. I'm not going to risk using money for vacations when that money can go to my kids getting an education or a trade. I also do my best to not spend a lot of money for groceries and I don't even buy new clothes for myself. My wife never had expensive jewelry and we never had wedding rings either. I try to save money, but there's no way I can give my kids vacations plus educational expenses, food, insurance co-pays, clothes, and many other necessities.

I kudo you on seeing the importance of a college/trade school education. I hope you are impressing that importance on your children. BUT I also want to impress on you that YOU are likely going to live way beyond the time they live with you, and YOU will need savings for when you are older. If you are at a point where the "kid's savings" are putting you week-to-week with no extra savings, then I suggest you rename that "kid's savings" to "your retirement fund".

My mother could have paid for my college education, my parents had investments to do that, but when my Dad died I realized that I was not going to take what might be important for her retirement. I paid my way through college. I lived at home and commuted. I worked 40 hours a week then went to college at night. It took me 7 years. I graduated with my degree DEBT free and my Mom still had her savings.

My kids were told by middle school that while we could, we were not going to pay for Tuition. We would continue to pay for their insurance & basics and we would pay for their dorm/food for 4 years. They would have to figure out the tuition part. Guess what, they both chose in state schools (after doing the math on out of state), they both worked hard. DS saved for years working a job all through high school then worked every summer. DD maintained a grade that she had a scholarship for most her tuition all four years. DS ended up transferring to a school by home and commuted while working. He graduated with his undergrad debt free. He is now in grad school for which he got a student loan for tuition. He commutes from home, he works, he drives an 11 year old car and is debt free other than this new school loan. DD moved home and commuted her senior year to save money. DD went to grad school using up all her savings, multiple scholarships and working two jobs. She graduated with her grad with a small student loan.

My point .... your children are responsible for their own educations. Now with so many good local schools and online schools there really is no excuse for not going to college - IF YOU WANT. Living at home, studying close or online saves tons. Scholarships, apply to them all. Grades in high school matter from day one for those scholarships. Private schools often have huge amounts of scholarship money they can do as they please. Talk to your kids, set a plan in place and help them tap in to all resources. As a parent it could be the best thing you can do. Myself, my DH, my kids .... we can all be proud that we put ourselves through school. Was it easy for us, nope, none of us but I wouldn't have it any other way.

You say your DD wants to enter the military and travel. She should look into military education benefits. My kids went to a school with many classmates going to school with these funds. I know someone who put 10 years in the military, came out then went to college with military benefits. Undergrad/two masters and now has a great job.

Start teaching your younger ones that there are lots of options out there, lots of types of education and training, lots of ways to get it and pay for it. We need every person at every job to make the world work. They should pursue something that interests them and motivates them to do what they need to do. You can help them tap into all the resources but also empower them. I get you want to help financially; maybe that help is letting them live with you while attending school, you buying groceries, maybe some gas money and helping guide them through the process. Let them own their education.
 
OP, I don't know nor do I want you to tell me your financial situation but you seem very focused on saving for their education. Important thing, education. But so is family. I don't think you should suddenly up and go to Disney necessarily but could you possibly swing a trip to the beach with some of the money you are saving? The beach can be relatively inexpensive.

Make memories with your kids. It doesn't have to be expensive travel.

If you let the 13 year old go to Disney, plan some special outings with the younger child. Just Daddy and me days.

As for you oldest dd telling you how she has missed out on so much, etc. She is a teen ager. ALL teen agers think they have the worst life possible and EVERYONE else has it better than them. Even the rich teenagers.

I'm very careful with money so I don't risk things like small trips or special outings. My oldest daughter is right, she has missed out on a lot in her life and I hate that when she or her sister get married they won'thave a mother around to help them out with that special day.
 
I do what I can to bring joy to my kids' lives even if it is simple things like watching TV shows and movies together with popcorn and snacks at home or occasionally going out for pizza. But, I'm not going to let other people be on the hook financially for a trip that I can't pay out completely.

Then don't. You are the parent and you make the decisions, however you need to find a way to do so that does not portray you as a martyr or your children as victims. Right now, as much as you proclaim otherwise, you keep making this a situation about YOU, and how YOU feel, and what YOU want, and what YOU are missing, and how YOU view others. At some point you are going to need to make this about your son, and what HE wants, and what He feels, how HE views himself and others, and what HE is missing.
 
I do what I can to bring joy to my kids' lives even if it is simple things like watching TV shows and movies together with popcorn and snacks at home or occasionally going out for pizza. But, I'm not going to let other people be on the hook financially for a trip that I can't pay out completely.

I’m sure you do all these things and many more to bring joy to your children. This offer is not a criticism of you or your parenting.

As @NHdisneylover says, it seems like this family see value in your son’s company, and that value has nothing to do with finances.

What strings do you imagine that this offer comes with? You say you don’t want to be “on the hook, which indicates that you believe you will be indebted to them in some way, morally if not financially.

You still have several months. I would again suggest that you invite the parents over for a coffee and have a chat about the whole trip, and find out what their expectations are. If their child is this close to your son then it would be useful for you to know the parents, even if you won’t let him go on the trip. But perhaps a conversation with the parents may ease some of your concerns. If nothing else, a genuine thanks to them for the offer would be appropriate.
 
I do what I can to bring joy to my kids' lives even if it is simple things like watching TV shows and movies together with popcorn and snacks at home or occasionally going out for pizza. But, I'm not going to let other people be on the hook financially for a trip that I can't pay out completely.

This says it all.
No question... No confusion..
Your mind is made up.
You "are NOT going to...."

Why did you post here....
To 'stir the pot'...
To see if people here, who are mostly Disney Lovers, would pat you on the back for practicing such self sacrifice, and imposing that on your family?
To see if you could troll up 8+ pages of drama?

Look, if there is any little part of this that is real???
I would advise you to take a good hard look at your true issues and motivations here.
Because, I can't afford it right now (or ever), so nobody can have it, as the sole excuse, is just not a good thing.
 

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