Should This Woman Have Her Life Ruined Because She Posted a Stupid Photo on Her Own F

[Ponygirl]

I seriously doubt this woman's life will be ruined even if she is fired for her actions. My idea of having your life ruined is somewhat different. For instance, having your husband come home from war in a body bag or severely brain damaged. Or having a family member as a Prisoner of War or being listed as missing in action. On a civilian level, it would be your entire family mowed down by a drunk driver and you survive.

If she is fired for her stupidity and colossal arrogance, she deserves it and life will go on. Haters gotta hate, you know.

 

[nd5056]

Killing someone isn't even remotely the same as flipping off a sign.

Apples to basketballs.

Yes, but there are consequences for every action you take.

And flipping the bird in my books stands for ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful, etc., it will never stand for exercising your FREE SPEECH right.

If you feel it's OK to do so, please do it in front of someone's grave that were very close to you and post it everywhere. would it feel the same?

 

[sunshinehighway]

What else people want???

Consequences!

If you kill someone as a prank, later saying I'm sorry is NOT going to bring them back, is it? The damage is done.

I never hear anyone apologizing for something no one knows about, only after they get cough. So tell me, is she truly sorry??? Or she said that because she had to...

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She has a bad sense of humor. That's hardly murder.
So, what consequences should she have? Strung up by her toes? Lose her job and become a burden to others? Firing squad?

 

[foreUT]

I seriously doubt this woman's life will be ruined even if she is fired for her actions. My idea of having your life ruined is somewhat different. For instance, having your husband come home from war in a body bag or severely brain damaged. Or having a family member as a Prisoner of War or being listed as missing in action. On a civilian level, it would be your entire family mowed down by a drunk driver and you survive.

If she is fired for her stupidity and colossal arrogance, she deserves it and life will go on. Haters gotta hate, you know.

When she used the "haters gotta hate" as her response to those who initially found her pictures upsetting, it emphasized how lacking in empathy she was. She should not be working with disabled adults, imo, if she is that immature. A career change might be good for her and her supervisor, both of whom are now suspended.

 

[Wall-E1]

I think the woman had a complete lack of judgment when taking the picture. It was an idiotic picture. However, I don't think it was a statement on her disdain for the U.S. military or fallen soldiers. I think she she was trying to be funny by posing in a way that the sign explicitly stated not to. Obviously, because the sign is on hallowed ground, it has caused an uproar. She did it while on a company trip. If her employer decides to terminate her permanently... sometimes that's what happens when you do something stupid while at work.

I don't agree with the whole "witch hunt" thing that is going on with Facebook - starting a "Fire Lindsay Stone" page and harassing her. She made a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. It does not entitle others to start a campaign of cyber bullying. I consider that worse than what this woman did.

 

[Lynne M]

While I still don't know if I feel that it was appropriate for her employer to fire her, I wanted to point out the the First Amendment of the United States applies to the government, not employers. There is no such thing as "free speech" when it comes to embarrassing your company.

And I'm going to repost this, because it's SO important, and so often misunderstood. This is the text of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In short: the government can't pass laws to restrict what you say. That's it. The government. It says nothing about your employer, a place of business, or an internet message board, for that matter.

When I started my current job, I had to sign an employment agreement. In it, there was a clause that more or less said that if I did something that reflected badly on the company, there would be consequences up to and including termination. I don't know if this woman's company had something similar, but if they did, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I would certainly argue that this campaign by a bunch of strangers to get her fired was pretty silly, but hey, you post an intentionally controversial photo in a place where potentially millions of people can see it, don't be surprised when a controversy erupts. You don't want the controversy, don't put the photo on the internet.

 

[JKMJ441724]

I think even things you do on your own time, if embarrassing to your employer, may be grounds for termination.

Personally, I think Michael Vick should have been banned-for-life from professional football. What he did, IMO, was a huge embarrassment and I would not have him on MY TEAM.

I work for a personal injury attorney. MOST of our clients are victims of car wrecks. If I got drunk and caused a car wreck, I'm sure it would make the news - citing my employers, too. I would probably be fired.

One of our district attorneys in our state filed bankruptcy. My boss thought that person should be fired. He said, "how can you stand up and put people in jail for committing crimes and NOT pay your own bills." Taking merchandise and services without paying for them is a crime.

There's my $0.02 and you get exactly what you pay for....

 

[mhsjax]

Yes, I was. There is no comparison between being disrespectful/doing something stupid and being homophobic.

I also never demanded the man lose his job.

There is an absolute comparison. Both were bring punished for doing something others found to de disrespectful and something that they disagreed with.

 

[luvmy3]

I agree. People take silly pictures in front of signs. She just happened to do it in the wrong place with the wrong sign.

Its disturbing that people actually think her life should be ruined because of this photo. Yeah, she should apologize and feel like an idiot, but her life ruined? That's a bit much. Its obvious she wasn't trying to make a disrespectful statement to the military,.

If it was obvious, the picture wouldn't be an issue at all.
Personally I don't think she should be fired for the picture, but because she was on a work trip, and as such she represents her employer. If her employer deems her behavior inappropriate then she should be fired. They do, end of story.

Sorry, that's a slippery slope I'm not willing to go down.

If someone does something I disagree with, that doesn't give me the right to believe they should be fired.

Are you gay? Cheating on your spouse? Living together without being married? All things people may disagree with, but they don't have the right to call for you to be fired.


*general you

I'm pretty sure people have the right to believe whatever they want.

One small action should not loose a job for either of them. Come on lighten up she didn't commit murder she was just being daft. I suppose all of you who said yes have never ever done anything wrong in your lives. Where on earth did americans get this prudishness from?

This isn't a small action though. Her actions reflect on her company, not just her. That is something she clearly disregarded when she decided to act like an idiot while working.

I am guessing this woman has already learned a very valuable lesson about posting stupid things on Facebook. Taking an offensive photo while touring is not something worthy of firing a person (unless she was degrading her own workplace/logo). Maybe her boss should have her give an apology and explaination to the other adults she was with, but other than that it's really not anyone's business. If she worked for some veteran's organization that would be a whole other story. JMHO.

Seriousy? You don't think her actions could have a direct result on her employer? How about funding, this is a non-profit and I assume rely heavily on donations. I wouldn't be so quick to send in my money to an organization whose employees act like this while on the job. I'm sure I'm not alone in that opinion.

Yes...because LITTLE SISTER is watching. Just like I said.

On the internet, everyone is watching.

 

[SaraJayne]

I'm pretty sure people have the right to believe whatever they want.

You are correct, my apologies. That was poorly worded.

What I meant to say was everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but they don't have the right to contact her employer demanding she be fired.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I think the woman had a complete lack of judgment when taking the picture. It was an idiotic picture. However, I don't think it was a statement on her disdain for the U.S. military or fallen soldiers. I think she she was trying to be funny by posing in a way that the sign explicitly stated not to. Obviously, because the sign is on hallowed ground, it has caused an uproar. She did it while on a company trip. If her employer decides to terminate her permanently... sometimes that's what happens when you do something stupid while at work.

I don't agree with the whole "witch hunt" thing that is going on with Facebook - starting a "Fire Lindsay Stone" page and harassing her. She made a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. It does not entitle others to start a campaign of cyber bullying. I consider that worse than what this woman did.

I totally agree with your second paragraph. On the threads about the teen suicides and cyber bullying, there were so many comments about the parents of the bullies allowing this behavior and kids need to learn bullying is wrong. How exactly are kids supposed to learn that when adults create a hate page about someone and its considered a good thing?

At this point, its nothing more than immature cyberbullying.

 

[nd5056]

She has a bad sense of humor. That's hardly murder.
So, what consequences should she have? Strung up by her toes? Lose her job and become a burden to others? Firing squad?

No, she already paid her consequences for her action.

If i was the owner of the company I'd do the same thing, fire her and her boss. They both showed lock of proper judgement and perhaps put the company at risk of loosing costumer or contract do to poor representation in public place.

This wasn't a tailgate party, it happened in a high profile place where respect was in order.

She isn't a toddler that misbehaved, so please, don't try to send her to her room for punishment where she has a laptop, TV and many other games she can be punished with. What a joke.


And PLEASE! Stop using the First Amendment as an excuse for every stupid thing people do in life - we're humans, it's OK to make a mistake AND pay consequences for it.

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[luvmy3]

You are correct, my apologies. That was poorly worded.

What I meant to say was everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but they don't have the right to contact her employer demanding she be fired.

Ok, I understand what you meant, but even still people do have the right to demand her be fired.
Of course, just because we have the right to do something, doesn't always mean we should exercise it

(FTR, I do believe her actions are worthy of termination, I don't think there needs to be a petition against her for it though.)

 

[Mkrop]

The person who took the picture WAS HER BOSS.

I wonder how many of the outraged here also posted their disgust over on the DIS tattletale thread? Now I have to go and see...

I did not see that it was her boss in any of the articles. Regardless you are missing the point, it could have been her boss's boss etc. If what she did reflected poorly on her employer while on company time, than that company can fire her. She put it out there for the world to see. This isnt about somebody running behind her back and saying "look what Lindsey did"

Go check that other thread, the only time I have ever reported anyone was porn.

I stand by what I said, you can do whatever you want (legally of course) but you need to stand behind it and own up to your actions. Sometime an apology is enough, sometimes it is not, that is up to her employer.

 

[Christopher Robin]

I'm pretty sure that some of those here that think she should not lose her job were also on that school cyber bully thread, and thought the school was justified for punishing student online behavior even if the students posted outside of school or school activities.

I find that 'interesting'.

 

[cabanafrau]

Yes...because LITTLE SISTER is watching. Just like I said.

It could be said that invoking the specter of LITTLE SISTER against those who speak up against this person's actions is an attempt to stifle those whose opinion is contrary with fearmongering. Who put the information out in the public domain? It wasn't LITTLE SISTER.

As far as companies monitoring electronic communications on their networks, that's hardly applicable here either. Companies face liabilities for their employees' use of their networks & would be foolish to leave themselves vulnerable. Not being able to use your employer's network for personal use is hardly infringing on anyone's rights.

Are security cameras inherently evil and infringing on privacy?

 

[sunshinehighway]

No, she already paid her consequences for her action.

If i was the owner of the company I'd do the same thing, fire her and her boss. They both showed lock of proper judgement and perhaps put the company at risk of loosing costumer or contract do to poor representation in public place.

This wasn't a tailgate party, it happened in a high profile place where respect was in order.

She isn't a toddler that misbehaved, so please, don't try to send her to her room for punishment where she has a laptop, TV and many other games she can be punished with. What a joke.


And PLEASE! Stop using the First Amendment as an excuse for every stupid thing people do in life - we're humans, it's OK to make a mistake AND pay consequences for it.

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Yes, its OK to make a mistake and face the consequences for it. Comparing her to a murder and thinking her life should be ruined is going further than that though.

 

[PaulaSB12]

No only that his company go under which is way worse IMOP. I guess that for many in America the idea of free speech only becomes valid when it is convenient for them or falls in line with their particular views and beliefs.

No people just want to be offended, lose a job over something so minor????? Its turned into a baying mob who want blood because people just want to find offense in the behaviour of others while claiming to be perfect themselves.

 

[PaulaSB12]

It could be said that invoking the specter of LITTLE SISTER against those who speak up against this person's actions is an attempt to stifle those whose opinion is contrary with fearmongering. Who put the information out in the public domain? It wasn't LITTLE SISTER.

As far as companies monitoring electronic communications on their networks, that's hardly applicable here either. Companies face liabilities for their employees' use of their networks & would be foolish to leave themselves vulnerable. Not being able to use your employer's network for personal use is hardly infringing on anyone's rights.

Are security cameras inherently evil and infringing on privacy?

That is assuming they ar e using their employer's network. I go on the internet at work but not using the work network as its not allowed and passworded.

 

[Mkrop]

No people just want to be offended, lose a job over something so minor????? Its turned into a baying mob who want blood because people just want to find offense in the behaviour of others while claiming to be perfect themselves.

For most people in the US, this would not be considered minor. She was in a place that commands respect, not outside some place that is no big deal. We took a silly pciture of my DH on Pebble Beach at a no trespassing sign for their golf course. You are allowed to drive through it, you just arent allowed on the course. He didnt step on the course, just stood in front of the sign, with a big pout on his face. That is something silly, what she did is disrespectful to soldiers and their families.

No one is claiming to be perfect that I can see...but if you do anything in your life, good or bad, there can be consquences. You need to accept them and stand behind your decisions, including the bad ones. Sure she can apologize and may be forgiven, although I think she is only sorry this went viral vs sorry for her action itself, but sometimes an apology is not enough and other actions need to be taken.