just back, ettiquete questions

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mikewdw

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just wanted some opinions on a couple of incidents from our trip last week.
1.) wife asked a couple sitting on a planter wall (in Liberty Square just down from the Hall of Presidents) if they were saving the spots in front of them for anyone for the upcoming parade, the man (with an attitude!) explained that they would put up post and rope to mark parade route and no one would be allowed to sit there. she of course knew he was wrong, she said "so then you're not saving it for anyone then" he then said no, they were hoping for a "front row seat". my wife sat down with our kids. they then began signing to each other (seemingly to talk about us) and giving our family those kind of looks even though my wife sat with our 3 children on the ground in front of them with enough space that later another row of people sat behind us and in front of them. to me, it us unbelivable that someone would think they could claim all of the space in front of their spot like that.
2.) bus etiquette, crowded bus going back to bus on hot afternoon. as we go toward back of bus, bus spiel over speakers is saying "please make room for elderly, small children, etc" we have 3 kids, DD 6, twin DS 4. seats are already taken. no one offers a seat. our kids are trying to hold on to rail and legs. my wife looks at me and says "i am soooooo aggravated" a woman realized our situation and offers her seat and so does a guy. but amazingly a college age looking guy (sitting between what appears to be his parents) completely ignores the kids as does his father. i know sometimes when you get on the bus you're so tired you don't notice others but when you see a woman offer her seat you would think a young man would move to help also. not only did he not offer the lady her seat, he also never offered for one of our kids (two of which were sharing the ladies seat). we went numerous times before we had kids, so if i ever did that to someone i apologize (although i dont think i did, my wife would kick me in the behind for that) but it just amazes me how some men will just ignore women standing like that (much less children). i ended up facing the back of the bus and the father of the college boy never made eye contact the entire ride. he looked everywhere else on the bus, out the windows, etc but never looked at me or my wife who still had to stand.
i live in a small rural area town so i am not used to crowded situations. am i being unreasonable here or am i right and the people just refused to live up to courteous standards?
luckily these were the only things i could find wrong with our trip. had a great trip otherwise!!!!!
mikewdw
 
I don't see why a man should give his seat to a woman. That might have been expected back when women were considered to be less than men. I, as a man, would not insult a woman with no impairment by offering her my seat, thus implying that she's somehow weaker than me.

However, whenever I've been on a bus (mostly at Disney), I have always yielded my seat to a person (male or female) holding a baby, pregnant women, children, or the elderly.
 
Do I think the people were right? No. No way.

BUT others have a different view of what is right or wrong. You have to blow it off and not let it bug you on vacation. Unfortunately you are at a place where EVERYONE thinks they deserve to sit after a long day in the parks or those that can claim non-visible disabilities (fibromyalgia, hip, knee trouble, etc). You can't win.

You are only reinforcing my bus fears for our trip!
 
#1 - some people are just cluelessly rude. in such situation, knowing you're in the right to sit on the curb, do so and bask in the glory that you are a better person than the ones sitting on the planter.

#2 - this is the reason why we rent a car.
 
We notice a drastic difference in the way people treat each other on the bus from Shades of Green (on-site military resort) vs. Disney resort. That wouldn't have happened on the SoG bus.
 
we quit taking the bus several trips ago after too many extra long waits...but, I have to make a couple of points. I'm sure you'll hear from plenty about bus etiquette. I agree in general with the principle that the able-bodied should offer seats to the less able, But...

1. You cannot know by looking whether or not someone needs that seat more than you & your kids. People with disabilities & health issues do not wear signs announcing their needs. Not saying these people mentioned had issues, just saying there's a chance that family needed those seats more. I know people who look completely "normal" but have balance issues, arthritis, fatigue (not just tired, but an illness), etc. None of these friends & relatives "look" like there's anything wrong...but none of them could handle standing on a bus for a 20 minute ride, either.

2. You do not have to get on a standing room only bus, unless the driver tells you it's the last bus of the night. I know everyone's tired and just wants to get back to their resorts, but it is your choice to get on a crowded bus. Many, many times we saw people deliberately wait for an empty bus to get a seat. They would let those who were willing to stand pass ahead of them in the bus line and they'd just wait for the next bus, and sometimes then even a 3rd bus. Then a bus would come with some empty seats & they'd be first in line to get those seats. Now there's a good chance you would not know that they'd waited & waited to get a seat...especially if you were at the back of a crowded line. After waiting to get that seat, don't think they should have to offer it to someone else. And don't especially think that's rude of them, either.
 
As for the parade situation, I don't think you did anything wrong. The people sitting on the planter were being unreasonable.

As for the bus situation, here are my feelings:
I'm a 25 year old woman. I don't expect anyone to give up a seat for me. I'm just as capable of standing as the next person.
If I were seated and the bus was crowded, I would offer my seat to a senior citizen, or a pregnant woman, but not a child.
The kids are tired, yes, but they don't NEED the seat anymore than I do.
The senior citizen or the pregnant lady has more of an actual NEED for the seat than I do.
Call me cruel and heartless towards kids, but those are my feelings.

And these kind of situations happen all the time. People have different ideas about what constitutes rude and polite, and some people know what is rude and do it anyway because they only care about themselves and their own enjoyment.
Glad you had a good trip otherwise. I don't let the cranky and rude people get to me. When I'm at Disney, no one is going to rain on my parade!
 
many parents go to disney with young kids...dont expect special treatment for kids over baby age.
Depending upon my mood and tired level I may give my seat to your kids. If you are the parents holding a baby and a stroller and trying to stand, i can guarantee I will give you my seat
If you are much older or appear handicapped in some fashion, I can guarantee I will give you my seat
My children would also scoot or move in some fashion so the above folks can sit

as far as parade route stuff. If you want the spot you need to sit and guard the spot. If they werent guarding their spot, they are out of luck
 
I remember one time I was trying to hold my DD's folded stroller, a diaper bag, backpack, and my then 3 year old DD while standing. No one offered to let her sit down. Yes, I thought it was extremely rude!
 
About children standing on the bus... actually if they are young they DO need a seat - for safety reasons. My daughter is four, almost five... we do not ride busses very often, recently we did and had to stand - just like an escalator they need so much supervision as they don't understand how to balance themselves or react to the movement on a bus.

If the parent is also standing (of course - because otherwise the CHILD would be in the seat LOL) it is very difficult to keep yourself balanced while leaning over and trying to keep your kid from flying through the aisle. For kids, many busses do not have low enough safety rails... or too few.

As for offering a woman a seat - absolutely. I would totally appreciate the gesture, I like to know chivalry is not dead. :) That said I would then VERY politely and thankfully decline. As I am able-bodied.

I would never take it as an insult, just pure graciousness on the gentleman's part. And sheer thankfulness were I pg at the time! That said I would be just as likely to offer my seat to a standing man.
 
I'm a 25 year old woman. I don't expect anyone to give up a seat for me. I'm just as capable of standing as the next person.
If I were seated and the bus was crowded, I would offer my seat to a senior citizen, or a pregnant woman, but not a child.
The kids are tired, yes, but they don't NEED the seat anymore than I do.

This is my policy as well. I'm happy to give up my seat for an older adult, a pregnant woman, anyone carrying a child, or anyone (including children) who is visibly struggling. But I don't feel like most children belong in this same category.

Additionally, as PPs have pointed out, parents have the option of waiting for a bus with available seating. (On my last trip I waited for the next bus when I just couldn't stand the thought of standing up mashed against strangers for the ride back to the hotel. )
 
i am surprised somewhat at the attitude about children. as Duckiedee stated small children do have a difficult time balancing on a bus like that. that was my concern for our kids.
as for our particular situation we actually thought we would get a seat or we wouldnt have gotten on the bus. my wife was actually the first person to not get a seat. we waited numerous other times as a PP said in order to make sure we got a seat (which we will always do from here on out). she also did not in any way expect a seat (the offer would have be nice but not expected). it was ironic to me that the bus recorded announcements mentioned offering seats to children just as we began trying to juggle two strollers, back packs, and 3 small children and no one offered a seat. i also understand that those men might have some difficulty that was not evident. but statistically the chance is probably really, really, really small that someone with a condition (so severe that it would force them to physically not be able to offer at seat to a child) would have made it in that heat until 2 or 3 in the afternoon before going back to rest.
i know you're not guaranteed a seat, you don't have to take that bus, that they paid just as much for their tickets as we did for our kids, etc, etc, i am just surprised by the fact that people wouldnt be more helpful. i know people have different standards etc but i still think the old fashioned way is better. i normally find DisneyWorld to be the place that brings out the best in people and i am always surprised there when it doesnt. hopefully when it's your kids who don't have a seat, maybe someone who read this post will think about it and offer your kids a seat.
thanks for the opinions,
mikewdw
 
Here are my feelings towards the bus situation--

After a long day full of strenuous walking, the last thing I want to do is be standing on a crowded bus. I am 20 years old and I have had Rheumatoid Arthritis for about 8 years now. From the outside I appear normal, no physical deformities that show my illness. But after a day of walking around the parks my body sure has taken a beating. I have been on the buses several times when it has been crowded, with young children standing. I never would give my seat up to an able-bodied child that is fully capable of standing on the bus for a 10 minute ride. If someone is pregnant or if an elderly person is standing, I would give up my seat, but not for a small child. They don't NEED to sit. If the parents are concerned about their child's safety when there are no seats available, they should get off the bus and wait for the next one. I think it is rude for someone to think their able-bodied child is entitled to take the seat of someone that may be suffering from physical ailments. Just my opinion.
 
Last time we visited WDW my husband,close to his 60 birthday, gave up his seat to a lady with a small child he thought.
Well no,the father obviously in command gave orders to his 13,14 year old son to sit there.
That was the last time we will ever give a seat to any one.
 
For your first situation, that actually is a little rude of them to do that.

Second Situation, call me cold hearted but, all I can say is too bad. Everybody wants a seat and wants to get back to the resort just as much as you do. Yes some people do need seats more than some do, but in your situation I probably wouldn't have given up my seat to you, nor would I expect anybody to give up their seat to me. Now if it was a women with a baby, I would give up my seat, or a elderly person, or someone who looked like they were in physical pain.
You also shouldn't just judge someone by looking at them, including that college aged boy.
STORY TIME!!! haha
About a month ago we were leaving the MK at closing, so the buses were crowded, and I don't know what I did, but I screwed up my back and walking and standing was a major pain. (No it wasn't just I'm tired pain, I ended up going to the doctors.) And I got a seat in the back, and a few kids sat by me and the dad and mother stood right near me. (BTW I'm a teenager) And this mother was bickering about me not giving up my seat to her so she could keep an eye on her children... which she had a fine view of standing, and she was glaring me down. I was thisclose to blowing up on her (it was a longggg day, but thats a story I'm not getting into hahaha) but I kept my cool and tried to ignore her. If she needed that seat THAT BAD she could have asked politely, and heck we might have figured something out.
Rude people anger me.

Oh and same trip another story! haha
We were going to DTD from our resort, the bus pulled up and the driver announced, STANDING ROOM ONLY! Which was fine by us, but not for the family in front of us. They had some children (my age guess is 7-8ish years old) And the mother rudely said, But we have children!!! The bus driver told them that they could wait for the next bus, that didn't go over well, but long story short, that family lost.
 
this subject has been gone over time and again. you are not guaranteed a seat on the bus. you do not know why someone is not giving up their seat. there are numerous reasons (no one can tell by looking at my husband that he has had 5 foot surgeries. he is a very muscular, fit looking man. but his one foot is always swollen,(actually much bigger thanthe other foot) always painful. after a day at the park, multiply it X10)
often he gives up his seat anyways (as do I). but soemtimes I just don't let him! try to make eye-contact and glare all you want.
even if someone does not have an injury, disability, etc. ..as previously stated... many people wait for the next bus to get a seat. of course, after waiting, they're not going to get up for you or your kids.
If you want to be guaranteed a seat, rent a car, or wait for the next bus.
 
Agree with others, #1 was a bit uncalled for. However, some explination may have been in order rather than just plopping down. A simple "No, they rope off this area" (while signaling the actual rope area) and an offer to share may have avoided confrontation or bitterness. If they persisted in their line of thought after, then it's on them when they are proven wrong.

For the second one, I gotta say it, but your wife was the rude one. Getting on a bus and expecting a seat simply because you're female with small children is more rude than those who don't offer one. Adding to the fact that she made comments to make others feel uncomfortable is even worse. Now, I'm sure it was out of character for her (brought on but fatigue and general frustration) and I'm not berating her or calling her rude in general, but in that one particular incident, she was. Maybe if she had politely asked if someone was willing to stand so the little one(s) could sit... (Catch more flies with honey)

Now, for me, personally, I always get up when the bus stops (if it's filling up). I have no problems standing for the ride. I'll offer it to anyone who may enjoy it be they male, female, small children, older people, able-bodied, or not. I never expect others to do the same. In the end, it's all about expectations. If you get on the bus expecting someone else to get up, then you're just as "bad" as those who refuse to stand.
 
I have and will always give up my seat on the bus for anyone that needs it more then I do (women, children, elderly, handicaped etc.) As for the woman that said she will not give it up for children. You must not understand that children cannot reach the rails and have nothing to hold on to let alone react to the movements of the bus.:sad2: I've had to stand holding my 1yo niece and 2yo nephew another time and the only people that tried to give me there seat was a elderly couple that I would not accept because they looked to be in there 70's but thanked them over and over . The woman looked at the men seated across and told them they should be ashamed of themselves but do you think they moved? Nope just said he can stand I was hear first.:confused3 Yep so nice of them to worry about a childs safety. But hey keep you stance that children can stand.
 
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