Wonder Heading Back to Port Canaveral?

[FigmentSpark]

Any chance it might be heading to Europe? Could they have scheduled an impromptu drydock for the Dream?

 

[T & R]

Any chance it might be heading to Europe? Could they have scheduled an impromptu drydock for the Dream?

Hope not, for personal reasons.

 

[bcwife76]

Actually the first time in Boston for the Magic was in May of 2016. The Magic was suppose to go back in 2019 but was cancelled due to high seas.

We were on the 2019 Magic cruise where they had to cancel our Boston stop. The seas were ROUGH

 

[jnsma]

It’s showing arrival in Boston on July 16, currently traveling at 12 knots.
Maybe they are just entertaining us by keeping the conversation going.

Let's start a rumor that they are coming to pick up the Celtics to bring them back to WDW for the NBA playoffs. They could stop on the way back to pick up the Nets and 76ers. Anyone else on the east coast they need to pick up? They could all be in the Disney bubble that much longer. Practice will be held on the Goofy sports court.

You heard it here first..... and yes, it is 100% made up.

 

[BartmanLA]

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Actually that was a listing from a AIS station in Aruba 2 days ago, and the coverage area is on the fringe of where it "identified" the Dream, I firmly believe that that listing for Boston is wrong, possibly just a encryption error from the ship or a mis identification of destination. Until she actually enters a reliable AIS station reception area and can positively give a ping to show her destination I will reserve judgement on her actual final destination.

 

[insureman]

I'm leaning towards an error too although I am not that familiar with AIS to make a judgement. We were still using Loran back in my Navy days. Maybe one of the recent mariners could clue us in . @truck1 ?

 

[BCV23]

If she were headed to Boston wouldn't she be sailing in a straight line up through the Atlantic rather than along Cuba toward Florida?

 

[LTJoeFlo]

I'm leaning towards an error too although I am not that familiar with AIS to make a judgement. We were still using Loran back in my Navy days. Maybe one of the recent mariners could clue us in . @truck1 ?

I originally thought that Disney was spoofing their AIS because of people like us who speculate after every course change. Then I remembered that that is a complete no-no.

We used AIS during my time in the navy. But, I was on ships that used paper charts (real sailing!) We can get destination errors during system resets or during GPS calibration maintenance. Our GPS systems fed our location to AIS, so when we did maintenance on those systems it would give off incorrect information. Ships that had fancy Voyage Management Systems (electronic sharts), the computer fed location to AIS. Upon reset of those systems, the datum has to be reset or it gives off locations that are not at all accurate. I have limited experience with electronic charts so I may be slightly off. Maintenence on navigation equipment is very common after getting underway but is ALWAYS done in low traffic areas. If the ship's position never changed, it was most likely just entered incorrectly.

 

[FWRR3]

I believe the Dream will be at PC on 7/10.

 

[truck1]

I'm leaning towards an error too although I am not that familiar with AIS to make a judgement. We were still using Loran back in my Navy days. Maybe one of the recent mariners could clue us in . @truck1 ?

In a nutshell, an ais will send a signal every so often with all of the particulars for that ship. Name, type, speed heading and destination. That's what we as the general public will see. Other ships, owners and shippers can read it real time to help avoid crossing paths. However it only works when there on.

Most likely, as posted above shes out of range of the ais receivers on land.Those are generally volunteer stations. Theres a possibility however that her signal is broken also.By now she should have shown up near Cuba if she was heading back to Fl or the Bahamas. Or another populated area. I've been looking on and off so when the 3 are off PC again I can run over for some pictures. Last position I've seen was for 2 days ago just off of Curacao, heading 320 at 17 knotts. Which would put her heading towards Cuba and Haiti.

The DCL ships still use paper charts. Though with clear acetate overlays, so they dont have to keep replacing charts 2 or 3 times a week.


ETA. The Boston thing most likely is a misprint. If they were bringing her anywhere it's going to be PC since that's where DCLs supply base is for parts, etc.

 

[insureman]

I originally thought that Disney was spoofing their AIS because of people like us who speculate after every course change. Then I remembered that that is a complete no-no.

We used AIS during my time in the navy. But, I was on ships that used paper charts (real sailing!) We can get destination errors during system resets or during GPS calibration maintenance. Our GPS systems fed our location to AIS, so when we did maintenance on those systems it would give off incorrect information. Ships that had fancy Voyage Management Systems (electronic sharts), the computer fed location to AIS. Upon reset of those systems, the datum has to be reset or it gives off locations that are not at all accurate. I have limited experience with electronic charts so I may be slightly off. Maintenence on navigation equipment is very common after getting underway but is ALWAYS done in low traffic areas. If the ship's position never changed, it was most likely just entered incorrectly.

Thanks and also thanks for your service!

 

[insureman]

In a nutshell, an ais will send a signal every so often with all of the particulars for that ship. Name, type, speed heading and destination. That's what we as the general public will see. Other ships, owners and shippers can read it real time to help avoid crossing paths. However it only works when there on.

Most likely, as posted above shes out of range of the ais receivers on land.Those are generally volunteer stations. Theres a possibility however that her signal is broken also.By now she should have shown up near Cuba if she was heading back to Fl or the Bahamas. Or another populated area. I've been looking on and off so when the 3 are off PC again I can run over for some pictures. Last position I've seen was for 2 days ago just off of Curacao, heading 320 at 17 knotts. Which would put her heading towards Cuba and Haiti.

The DCL ships still use paper charts. Though with clear acetate overlays, so they dont have to keep replacing charts 2 or 3 times a week.

Thanks Truck1. I always learn something when you post.

 

[truck1]

Thanks Truck1. I always learn something when you post.

Anytime.

 

[truck1]

Thanks Truck1. I always learn something when you post.

Something else I just remembered
The US Navy can manipulate the gps systems. Most if not all of the carriers have the capability onboard. Lincoln was sailing off the east coast last year practicing several times. It's usually publicized when they do and theres a knock it off code airlines or ships can use if they are too greatly affected.

 

[auntlynne]

Anytime.

Well, you just threw reality into this fantasy (Dream) world of Speculation we use to distract us from real life.

That being the case, do you know when they will release the next set of DCL sailings? and the real date of when we will sail again?

 

[insureman]

Here' what cruisemapper has for the Dream location.

 

[insureman]

Something else I just remembered
The US Navy can manipulate the gps systems. Most if not all of the carriers have the capability onboard. Lincoln was sailing off the east coast last year practicing several times. It's usually publicized when they do and theres a knock it off code airlines or ships can use if they are too greatly affected.

Yeah, They have a lot of tricks to try to fool opposing navies.

 

[truck1]

Well, you just threw reality into this fantasy (Dream) world of Speculation we use to distract us from real life.

That being the case, do you know when they will release the next set of DCL sailings? and the real date of when we will sail again?

☺

Lol. My bad.

To be honest havent really been paying attention to where the sailings have been released up to this point. I think next set should be in the fall sometime.

The start sailing again is a somewhat easier answer. 2nd Tuesday of next week.

Heres the issue. Main issue is the US CDC has not even looked at cruising to give the lines guidance on how to resume. If I remember correctly, originally the lines were to start in about a week. That's not enough time to implement any changes and get the crews back so it makes sense on why things were moved to Oct. I think its Oct. Anyway the CDC for some odd reason, has not even made any plans for cruising to restart.
Port Canaveral called them out on it, since on the surface it seems that everything else is getting plans, but cruise lines aren't. Now granted theres only 1 line flagged in the US with 1 ship, not counting the casino ships, and river cruises but theres probably 100s of thousands if not more, in the US alone, that depend on the ships for income. The CDC has also publicly stated that the cruise lines are floating petri dishes. Seriously. If there that bad, why do the CDC inspectors continually grade the ships between 90 and 100% on their inspections? Someone else can figure that out.

2nd problem. Not as bad as the first. Several of the islands that lines use are still closed, some until next year. Caymans are 1 if I'm not mistaken. Bahamas are open, but you need a negative test from within 7 days to enter. So that limits the available stops a ship can make. Ill have to go and try and find the list that's out there, on which islands are accepting foreign travel in the very near future or are already.

The good news. Carnival and Royal are working on a plan to get the CDC moving. They formed a task force, with other lines allowed to participate and or get the benefits of what there working on. Basically they are forming the guidelines, and making them open source to give to the CDC. Itll be interesting to see how well that will go over. That should be done in August according to Royal.

Just 1 more little tidbit I picked up along the way. Royal Carribean has publiclly stated that the buffets will be open when cruising resumes. I would assume the other lines would follow suit.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Just 1 more little tidbit I picked up along the way. Royal Carribean has publiclly stated that the buffets will be open when cruising resumes. I would assume the other lines would follow suit.

The question is whether they will still be self-serve buffet, or with servers filling plates to hand to passengers.

 

[BartmanLA]

Lol. My bad.

To be honest havent really been paying attention to where the sailings have been released up to this point. I think next set should be in the fall sometime.

The start sailing again is a somewhat easier answer. 2nd Tuesday of next week.

Heres the issue. Main issue is the US CDC has not even looked at cruising to give the lines guidance on how to resume. If I remember correctly, originally the lines were to start in about a week. That's not enough time to implement any changes and get the crews back so it makes sense on why things were moved to Oct. I think its Oct. Anyway the CDC for some odd reason, has not even made any plans for cruising to restart.
Port Canaveral called them out on it, since on the surface it seems that everything else is getting plans, but cruise lines aren't. Now granted theres only 1 line flagged in the US with 1 ship, not counting the casino ships, and river cruises but theres probably 100s of thousands if not more, in the US alone, that depend on the ships for income. The CDC has also publicly stated that the cruise lines are floating petri dishes. Seriously. If there that bad, why do the CDC inspectors continually grade the ships between 90 and 100% on their inspections? Someone else can figure that out.

2nd problem. Not as bad as the first. Several of the islands that lines use are still closed, some until next year. Caymans are 1 if I'm not mistaken. Bahamas are open, but you need a negative test from within 7 days to enter. So that limits the available stops a ship can make. Ill have to go and try and find the list that's out there, on which islands are accepting foreign travel in the very near future or are already.

The good news. Carnival and Royal are working on a plan to get the CDC moving. They formed a task force, with other lines allowed to participate and or get the benefits of what there working on. Basically they are forming the guidelines, and making them open source to give to the CDC. Itll be interesting to see how well that will go over. That should be done in August according to Royal.

Just 1 more little tidbit I picked up along the way. Royal Carribean has publiclly stated that the buffets will be open when cruising resumes. I would assume the other lines would follow suit.

Honestly I don't see how they can have open buffets right now, with contact exposure running such a high risk, I am guessing they'll keep the current set ups with minor modifications that will allow crew members to serve portions to guests so there's no contact with the utensils or food from the guests. At least until the risk is eliminated via a effective vaccine (hopefully somewhere in the future). As far a resumption of cruising out of US ports, it's such a unlikely scenario right now as foreign guests have no way to enter the country, let alone board a cruise ship, also many airlines have scaled back flights domestically that ramping up to begin leisure travel seems pretty far down the road. And as you indicated re-crewing the ships for resumption is going to be a very difficult and long process, especially for foreign nationals that want to come back for work on board. The CDC does seem to be dragging their feet on any direction for the cruise industry, maybe they're hoping that a medical breakthrough will give them some guidance, it's hard to say. And lastly, until ports that cruises visit regularly open for cruise ships, it will be pointless to resume operations, I'm pretty sure there are some that would love to get back on board even if they don't visit any ports but, it seems like a majority of cruisers won't want to sail if they're not able to stop anywhere during the itinerary. But who know's it's such a crap shoot right now what will or will not happen. We just can keep guessing and speculating, at least it occupies some of our time!