Note about Freedom

12:45pm flight

Disembark 8:30 tag

Wasn't able to get off ship till after 11...
And just about everyone in front of us got off with later disembark tags... They kept no order whatsoever it was a free for all..

P.s. Awesome cruise great ship...just poorly handled at the end...and been out of PC multiple times with earlier flight and no issues.
DS
 
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We just got off the Freedom last week and the propulsion problems seem to have been resolved.
 
How interesting. We had shortened port times due to an azipod issue on the Allure in November 2013. We couldn't use the stabilizers during that cruise and we had big seas. I've never rocked n rolled so much on any of the Disney ships. It was fun for DH & me. Not so fun for my BiL who got sick. LOL!

Are propulsion issues common?

**edited to not ask my question about RCI specifically**
 
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Are propulsion issues common to RCI?
How do you define "common"? We were on Oasis in 2013 and Freedom in 2014. Neither had problems. Freedom's propulsion problems happened later in 2014 than our cruise, it was due for dry dock in January of 2015, so TPTB decided to wait until dry dock to fix the issue.
 


How do you define "common"? We were on Oasis in 2013 and Freedom in 2014. Neither had problems. Freedom's propulsion problems happened later in 2014 than our cruise, it was due for dry dock in January of 2015, so TPTB decided to wait until dry dock to fix the issue.

Well, I had read just in casual discussions back when the Allure had the azipod issue that affected our sailing that there had been other issues with the pods on other ships or even the same ship previously...something about the design or something like that. So then in late 2013 it wasn't unheard of or even surprising to some of those discussing the mechanical things. Now less than 2 yrs later I'm reading of another ship in their fleet with propulsion issues. I think there was mention this one was a damaged prop? Either way, I'm curious how frequent these issues arise. I've never even heard of one of the Disney ships having propulsion issues but then I've not been cruising all that many years either. It's just a question. Is it fairly normal for ships to have various propulsion issues?
 
Well, I had read just in casual discussions back when the Allure had the azipod issue that affected our sailing that there had been other issues with the pods on other ships or even the same ship previously...something about the design or something like that. So then in late 2013 it wasn't unheard of or even surprising to some of those discussing the mechanical things. Now less than 2 yrs later I'm reading of another ship in their fleet with propulsion issues. I think there was mention this one was a damaged prop? Either way, I'm curious how frequent these issues arise. I've never even heard of one of the Disney ships having propulsion issues but then I've not been cruising all that many years either. It's just a question. Is it fairly normal for ships to have various propulsion issues?
I would assume anything mechanical could break down. I don't think it's a fair comparison however to compare Disney (4 ships?) and RCI (20+ ships?) when it comes to the number of propulsion incidents.
 
I would assume anything mechanical could break down. I don't think it's a fair comparison however to compare Disney (4 ships?) and RCI (20+ ships?) when it comes to the number of propulsion incidents.
I wasn't trying to compare lines, more just find out if propulsion issues are something commonplace for cruise ships in general. I realize a fleet of 20+ is statistically more likely to have things go awry than a fleet of 4. I don't pay much attention to other cruise lines outside DCL & RCI. I haven't been cruising many years either so, honestly, I don't know.
 


I wasn't trying to compare lines, more just find out if propulsion issues are something commonplace for cruise ships in general. I realize a fleet of 20+ is statistically more likely to have things go awry than a fleet of 4. I don't pay much attention to other cruise lines outside DCL & RCI. I haven't been cruising many years either so, honestly, I don't know.
I don't think "common" would be a word I would use when it comes to cruise lines and propulsion issues. Yes, it does happen. Sometimes it just slows down the ship, other times it causes the ship to stop. I would think any issue on a "main" line would be uncommon.
 
Without knowing which pods that RCL uses, I know that there are still continuing problems with pods. I know that HCL, Cunard and a few others have gotten money back from at least 1 of the manufacturers.

One of the suppositions is that because of the way that a pod operates, the bearings are wearing out prematurely because all of the force is applied to 1 narrow specific area. Not like a traditional prop rudder where the force is applied evenly. just a quick search popped up probably 6 or 8 ships from 3 different lines that have or have had pod issues in the last few years. Cunard, Holland, Royal and Carnival were among those on the list.
 
How interesting. We had shortened port times due to an azipod issue on the Allure in November 2013. We couldn't use the stabilizers during that cruise and we had big seas. I've never rocked n rolled so much on any of the Disney ships. It was fun for DH & me. Not so fun for my BiL who got sick. LOL!

Are propulsion issues common?

**edited to not ask my question about RCI specifically**

It seems that azipods have more issues than the shaft & rudder design. That could be a reason DCL hasn't experienced any major propulsion issues. All 4 of their ships have shaft & rudder designs.
 
Well, I had read just in casual discussions back when the Allure had the azipod issue that affected our sailing that there had been other issues with the pods on other ships or even the same ship previously...something about the design or something like that. So then in late 2013 it wasn't unheard of or even surprising to some of those discussing the mechanical things. Now less than 2 yrs later I'm reading of another ship in their fleet with propulsion issues. I think there was mention this one was a damaged prop? Either way, I'm curious how frequent these issues arise. I've never even heard of one of the Disney ships having propulsion issues but then I've not been cruising all that many years either. It's just a question. Is it fairly normal for ships to have various propulsion issues?

On 1 particular pod maker, even with the "fix" they are still encountering issues. Depending on who you ask its either a poor design or the fact that a very narrow part of the bearing takes more pressure then the rest of the bearing, promoting uneven wear or failure. Pods are only designed to last for about 5 years before overhaul. Why some are failing early is anyones guess.
Disney has had propulsion issues before. More often then you would think. Rumor has it that prior to 2010, the Magic had a main fail for some odd reason. The main was out of service for several months before being replaced in her 2010 or 2008 dry dock, I forget which off hand. Also, The Magic ate one of the channel marker poles at Castaway Cay damaging her port running gear. There was some pretty good vibrations on her until she got to drydock in Oct of 2010, and a lot of experimenting on how fast that shaft could turn with out too much vibration. So, they have had there share of issues, just not to the extent that other lines have had with the pods. Theres also been a few instances of a ship with reduced power for several hours, until the issue was fixed and was back to normal.

Keep in mind this also. Almost all ships that carry passengers, and there might be a few that differ, use electricity to turn the actual motors that turn the props. Whether its a azipod that are favored by lot of lines, or the traditional prop and rudder arrangements. The way it works is this. Theres 4 parts to the system. A diesel engine, a attached generator,( called a genset) the drive motors and power distribution system. When a ship is designed, someone figures out that the ship will need a total power capability of say 50mw of power. The marine engineer will sit down and say, this ship needs 6 diesel generators, 4 at 15mw capability and 2 at 20mw. The 4 15mw engines provide power most of the time under normal circumstances with the 2 20s as a back up. All of the power goes into a big box, (theres usually 2 jic) and the chief engineer on the ship decides what engine will run, while another may be down for routine maint. So Eng 1,3 and 4 may be supplying power to the ship, while 2 is resting or getting pm. The ships computer will pretty much dictate how many engines need to run, and monitor there performance etc. While the ship is in port, the ship may only need 1 main running so they may run 2, and 1,3 and 4 may rest for a while, with 5 and 6 for a reserve. On occasion, one of the back up gensets may run wile the normal mains are down for whatever reason. While at sea,typically 1 genset will be dedicated to each drive motor. On say Allure, that has 3 pods I believe, 3 engines will be dedicated to power the 3 pods. Additional gensets will power the ships needs, like hotel services. On the DCL ships, they use 2, 1 for each drive motor, with additional gensets for hotel services. In either case, based on electrical demand, will dictate how many other gensets will run.

So, in reality, a ship could have issues, and no one would know, unless the actual drive motors or pods are the issue. In which case, at sea or in the water there is nothing that can be done unless its a simple fix like a collector ring or connection that needs to be changed. Theres very little on a electric drive motor or pod that can be fixed in the field. It usually requires a drydock and removal or extended down time with heavy equipment and specialists to repair.
 
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How interesting. We had shortened port times due to an azipod issue on the Allure in November 2013. We couldn't use the stabilizers during that cruise and we had big seas. I've never rocked n rolled so much on any of the Disney ships. It was fun for DH & me. Not so fun for my BiL who got sick. LOL!

Are propulsion issues common?

**edited to not ask my question about RCI specifically**

Stabilzers only work on side to side motion. They are pretty much useless on fore and aft pitching. So depending on which way the seas were running, the Capt may not have deployed them. This is also assuming that there are no technical issues that would keep them from being deployed. If you ever get the chance, there is a show on tv occasionally and I forget what its called off hand, but it basically talks about the Queen Mary and her building and continues onto her first TA crossing. They discuss the stabilizers and goes in depth on her building, and acceptance. Theres also one on Freedoms build, and Oasis or Allure. Basically it follows the shore side and ship side crew and officers as she is turned in port. Theres also a few shows on Build it bigger that talk about building modern cruise ships, and things like that. I want to say that the show used RCL as the demo ships. I want to say its on the Radiance class. Theres also at least 2 shows on dry dock, 1 on Project extreme, that follows the Disney Magcic in dry dock, and the other is How do they do that? that follows the Disney Wonder into a dry dock.
I just saw the show about the Oasis on TV the other night. It followed the episode on the Disney ships. Its called Extreme Cruise ships I think.
 

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