Marathon Weekend 2022

[PkbaughAR]

SAFD: I’m thankful to God for so many blessings this last year! I’m especially thankful for my running health that hasn’t sidelined me during training. I’m also thankful for the courage to sign up for Dopey and the dedication and commitment to follow my training plan! I’m thankful for all of you since, like many of you, I don’t have any other running community! You are equal parts encouraging, enabling, motivating, sympathetic, knowledgeable and accepting! I would have started running because I saw the Wine and Dine medals in 2016, but I wouldn’t have been near as successful or dedicated in my running journey without you all! So thank you!

 

[BikeFan]

SAFD: Like many of you, I'm thankful for my own health and that of my family, especially during this pandemic. In my extended family, we've only had a few cases of COVID, and those were either mild or asymptomatic. None of my relatives have been hospitalized or died, and for that I'm extremely grateful. I'm especially thankful for the medical professionals who are treating those more seriously affected by COVID and other illnesses, and for the scientists developing vaccines and other treatments. We all live in a far better world because of people like you, and I'm thankful you all are doing the work you do.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

Course maps this week? Tuesday or Thursday?

I was just coming here to ask if anyone else was counting down until we get the event guide and course info. But my guess is more like in maybe 2 weeks.

 

[Herding_Cats]

Course maps this week? Tuesday or Thursday?

I was just coming here to ask if anyone else was counting down until we get the event guide and course info. But my guess is more like in maybe 2 weeks.

I checked what they did for W&D weekend last night and it was 3 weeks before the day the expo opened. If MW follows the same it’ll be the 15th. Im hoping for sooner.

 

[ZellyB]

SAFD: Thankful for some encouraging reports on my treatments. Thankful for my amazing family and thankful for another trip to my happy place coming soon!

 

[1lilspark]

So how many Dopey runners plan to make a mad dash for Storybook Dining ADRs on Thursday?

 

[fatmanatee]

According to this link, the 2020 maps were released in the middle of December. I'm curious if they keep this marathon map or change it again.

 

[Onceuponamarathon]

So how many Dopey runners plan to make a mad dash for Storybook Dining ADRs on Thursday?

Me . We have a reservation at cali grill to celebrate but hoping to switch it to storybook.

 

[BigEeyore]

SAFD: So much to be grateful for! My health and that of my family, the ability to run, MW actually happening this year, my pets, my friends (especially my training buddies who keep me going!)
A year ago, our teenager had some pretty bad mental health issues, and she is in a much better place now - so grateful for the doctors and therapists (and zoloft!) for helping us get our girl back!

I find myself grateful on a daily basis for normal stuff that I used to take for granted - being able to travel, kids in school, finding what I need when I go to the store, going to church in person, live music events, etc

As for Disney....I am happy I snagged a great DVC rental and will get to spend 4 nights in one of my favorite hotels (AKL). Any other runners staying there--first drink at Victoria Falls is on me!

I'm at Jambo in a DVC studio - would love to have a bus buddy!

 

[jmasgat]

I'm at Jambo in a DVC studio - would love to have a bus buddy!

Sounds good! In Dopey Badger's absence, I may try to generate some kind of Google Doc with race/racer info.

 

[GreatLakes]

According to this link, the 2020 maps were released in the middle of December. I'm curious if they keep this marathon map or change it again.

They looped the marathon through Epcot in 2020? I didn't think they have done that in years and hope they keep it. I'm looking at 2020 compared with 2011 and the two big differences that stand out are exiting Animal Kingdom and the portion through DHS.

We ran through AK to Osceola Pkwy in 2011 but in 2020 they looped back to Western Way and barely got any AK on the course. I know Osceola and Victory Way had a lot of construction but the old course didn't make it all the way to that intersection. Does anyone know why they looped back to Western Way in 2020? Was there a lot of construction going on further west on Osceola parkway?

There was basically no DHS looking at that map compared to 2011 which was pretty sad. It is obvious they did the bare minimum to say they run the race through all 4 parks. I know there was a lot of construction but I hope they add in more of both parks in 2022.

 

[Herding_Cats]

Sounds good! In Dopey Badger's absence, I may try to generate some kind of Google Doc with race/racer info.

I’m willing to help with this if you don’t want to do it alone. But I also understand the need to keep other people’s hands off of something that can be time intensive.

 

[PrincessV]

They looped the marathon through Epcot in 2020? I didn't think they have done that in years and hope they keep it. I'm looking at 2020 compared with 2011 and the two big differences that stand out are exiting Animal Kingdom and the portion through DHS.

We ran through AK to Osceola Pkwy in 2011 but in 2020 they looped back to Western Way and barely got any AK on the course. I konw Osceola and Victory Way had a lot of construction but the old course didn't make it all the way to that intersection. Does anyone know why they looped back to Western Way in 2020? Was there a lot of construction going on further west on Osceola parkway?

There was basically no DHS looking at that map compared to 2011 which was pretty sad. It is obvious they did the bare minimum to say they run the race through all 4 parks. I know there was a lot of construction but I hope they add in more of both parks in 2022.

2020 with EP at the front end was a disaster - at least for those of us in the back half of the pack. The crowding was so bad: on par with Cone Alley during a PHM, but through all of WS. It sounded like a great idea, but between the delayed start (because buses were still on the road they needed to clear to run on, and the congestion, it was a pretty awful start to the race, TBH.

No construction on Osceola that I recall - I personally think they like using Western Way because it's not super critical for vehicular traffic, and it made it really easy to cut the course short and redirect runners by skipping the BB section altogether. That tiny little stint in DHS has been the new normal for a while, now: marathon, SW, W&D - for at least a few years' worth of races. It's a huge bummer, IMO, but I think it was done to deal with the increased number of Guests in the park and trying to run a race through those crowds.

 

[DopeyBadger]

Sounds good! In Dopey Badger's absence, I may try to generate some kind of Google Doc with race/racer info.

I’m willing to help with this if you don’t want to do it alone. But I also understand the need to keep other people’s hands off of something that can be time intensive.

Despite not attending, I'm more than fine continuing the tradition of putting the DIS list together. With that being said, if you want to take it over, I certainly won't stop you. I was planning on using this information to determine "start group" placement and estimated start times from Wine and Dine 2021 data:

The highest 10k bib is 35219
The highest HM bib is 6418
The highest challenge bib is 25664

There are 5219 + 5664 = 10883 10k bibs
There are 6418 + 5664 = 12082 HM bibs

5k
s1 - rundisfan - 400XX - Estimated under 8:00mm
s1 - huskies90 - 403xx - ?
s1 - huskies90 DW - 414xx - ?
s1 - Ronski - 43xxx - Estimated 12:00-14:00?
s2 - Rogue224 - 43xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Rogue224 DW - 44xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Strava Runner - 446xx - Estimated?
s2 - cel_disney - 45xxx - Estimated 10:00-12:00mm *Somewhat late registration (Front of s2 = 5:17 am start time)
s2 - Strava Runner - 462xx - Estimated?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s3 - cel_disney DD - 499xx - Estimated 8:00-10:00mm *Late registration (Front of s3 = 5:40 am start time)

*Middle of s2 = 5:22am

10k
s1 - accm DH - 305xx - Estimated 8-10 pace
s1 - GrownUpLilo - 31xxx - Estimated 10-12
rafiki - 316xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
rafiki DW - 326xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
s3 - mom2pandc DH - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s4 - 1lilspark - 336xx - Estimated 12:01-14:00 mm (Front of s4 = 5:38am start time)
s4 - 347xx - Runner from Facebook


HM
s1 - Wishuponastar0412 DH - 2xx - POT under 2 hrs
s1 - Oswald0827 - 2XX - POT under 2hrs
s1 - striker1064 - 3xx - 1:58 HM POT
s1 - btk2333 - 4xx - POT under 2 hrs
SaraW - 9xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
FanforDisney - 10xx - What was your estimated pace?
s2 - Kerry1957 - 10xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
jhk1206 DH - 15XX - Estimated 2:00-2:15
HangWithMerida - 25xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
Wishuponastar0412 - 26XX - Estimated 2:16-2:30
jenljeffers1989 - 28xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30
s3 - Ronski - 38xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00?
s3 - Figment1990 - 39xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00
s4 - jimrpa - 55xx - Estimated 3:01-3:15


Challenge
s1 - rundisfan DH - 200XX POT - 1:30 HM POT
s1 - huskies90 - 200xx - 1:35 HM POT
s1 - rundisfan - 200XX - 1:36 HM POT
s1 - zfletch74 - 20XXX - 3:44 M POT
s1 - Dopey 2020 - 202XX - 1:49 HM POT
s1 - camaker - 202xx - 3:57 M POT
s1 - pixarmom - 203XX - 1:57 HM POT
s1 - erbam06 - 204XX - 53:31 10k POT
Keith Tyger - 206xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - Rogue224 - high 20xxx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
FanforDisney - 209xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - lukemorenus - 212xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
jhk1206 - 21XXX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - PrincessV - 21xxx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
s2 - ValW - 221xx - Platinum Club rD, Estimated time of 2:15 - 2:30
EveV - 225XX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s3 - accm - 225xx - Estimated 2-2:15
s3 - broadsheet - 226xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30 (Front of s3 = 5:22am for 10k and 5:20am for HM)
s3 - huskies90 DW - 229xx - No POT, what was estimated pace?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 2:30-2:45?
RangerPooh - 23xxx - Estimated 2:30-2:45
s4 - Sleepy425 - 24xxx - Estimated 3:00-3:15 (s4 = 5:49am for 10k and 5:42am for HM)
s2 - Runner from Facebook who is Platinum Club rD and "very slow"

*Balloon ladies crossed ~60 min after start gun for both 10k and HM

 

[ZellyB]

That shortened portion through DHS is ridiculous though. I may understand the reasons for it, but advertising you run through that park as part of the appeal for the races is a joke.

 

[1lilspark]

If you want to

Despite not attending, I'm more than fine continuing the tradition of putting the DIS list together. With that being said, if you want to take it over, I certainly won't stop you. I was planning on using this information to determine "start group" placement and estimated start times from Wine and Dine 2021 data:

The highest 10k bib is 35219
The highest HM bib is 6418
The highest challenge bib is 25664

There are 5219 + 5664 = 10883 10k bibs
There are 6418 + 5664 = 12082 HM bibs

5k
s1 - rundisfan - 400XX - Estimated under 8:00mm
s1 - huskies90 - 403xx - ?
s1 - huskies90 DW - 414xx - ?
s1 - Ronski - 43xxx - Estimated 12:00-14:00?
s2 - Rogue224 - 43xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Rogue224 DW - 44xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Strava Runner - 446xx - Estimated?
s2 - cel_disney - 45xxx - Estimated 10:00-12:00mm *Somewhat late registration (Front of s2 = 5:17 am start time)
s2 - Strava Runner - 462xx - Estimated?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s3 - cel_disney DD - 499xx - Estimated 8:00-10:00mm *Late registration (Front of s3 = 5:40 am start time)

*Middle of s2 = 5:22am

10k
s1 - accm DH - 305xx - Estimated 8-10 pace
s1 - GrownUpLilo - 31xxx - Estimated 10-12
rafiki - 316xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
rafiki DW - 326xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
s3 - mom2pandc DH - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s4 - 1lilspark - 336xx - Estimated 12:01-14:00 mm
s4 - 347xx - Runner from Facebook


HM
s1 - Wishuponastar0412 DH - 2xx - POT under 2 hrs
s1 - Oswald0827 - 2XX - POT under 2hrs
s1 - striker1064 - 3xx - 1:58 HM POT
s1 - btk2333 - 4xx - POT under 2 hrs
SaraW - 9xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
FanforDisney - 10xx - What was your estimated pace?
Kerry1957 - 10xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
jhk1206 DH - 15XX - Estimated 2:00-2:15
HangWithMerida - 25xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
Wishuponastar0412 - 26XX - Estimated 2:16-2:30
jenljeffers1989 - 28xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30
s3 - Ronski - 38xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00?
s3 - Figment1990 - 39xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00
s4 - jimrpa - 55xx - Estimated 3:01-3:15


Challenge
s1 - rundisfan DH - 200XX POT - 1:30 HM POT
s1 - huskies90 - 200xx - 1:35 HM POT
s1 - rundisfan - 200XX - 1:36 HM POT
s1 - zfletch74 - 20XXX - 3:44 M POT
s1 - Dopey 2020 - 202XX - 1:49 HM POT
s1 - camaker - 202xx - 3:57 M POT
s1 - pixarmom - 203XX - 1:57 HM POT
s1 - erbam06 - 204XX - 53:31 10k POT
Keith Tyger - 206xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - Rogue224 - high 20xxx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
FanforDisney - 209xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - lukemorenus - 212xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
jhk1206 - 21XXX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - PrincessV - 21xxx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
s2 - ValW - 221xx - Platinum Club rD, Estimated time of 2:15 - 2:30
EveV - 225XX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s3 - accm - 225xx - Estimated 2-2:15
s3 - broadsheet - 226xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30 (Front of s3 = 5:22am for 10k and 5:20am for HM)
s3 - huskies90 DW - 229xx - No POT, what was estimated pace?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 2:30-2:45?
RangerPooh - 23xxx - Estimated 2:30-2:45
Sleepy425 - 24xxx - Estimated 3:00-3:15
s2 - Runner from Facebook who is Platinum Club rD and "very slow"

*Balloon ladies crossed ~60 min after start gun for both 10k and HM

I started near the front of group 4 and crossed the start around 5:38

 

[Mr_Incr3dible]

Egad. That is ridiculous. I enjoyed winding my way through HS in the past. This time, blink and you'll miss it.
I've never run through Blizzard before.

None of my estimated times were fast enough for consideration, so I'm guessing I'll be in the later start waves.
Pacing myself for the Dopey, I'm guessing a 2.5 - 2.7 hour half and probably 5 - 5.5 hours for the full.

 

[jmasgat]

Despite not attending, I'm more than fine continuing the tradition of putting the DIS list together. With that being said, if you want to take it over, I certainly won't stop you. I was planning on using this information to determine "start group" placement and estimated start times from Wine and Dine 2021 data:

The highest 10k bib is 35219
The highest HM bib is 6418
The highest challenge bib is 25664

There are 5219 + 5664 = 10883 10k bibs
There are 6418 + 5664 = 12082 HM bibs

5k
s1 - rundisfan - 400XX - Estimated under 8:00mm
s1 - huskies90 - 403xx - ?
s1 - huskies90 DW - 414xx - ?
s1 - Ronski - 43xxx - Estimated 12:00-14:00?
s2 - Rogue224 - 43xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Rogue224 DW - 44xxx - Estimate 10:00-12:00
s2 - Strava Runner - 446xx - Estimated?
s2 - cel_disney - 45xxx - Estimated 10:00-12:00mm *Somewhat late registration (Front of s2 = 5:17 am start time)
s2 - Strava Runner - 462xx - Estimated?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s3 - cel_disney DD - 499xx - Estimated 8:00-10:00mm *Late registration (Front of s3 = 5:40 am start time)

*Middle of s2 = 5:22am

10k
s1 - accm DH - 305xx - Estimated 8-10 pace
s1 - GrownUpLilo - 31xxx - Estimated 10-12
rafiki - 316xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
rafiki DW - 326xx - Estimated 10:01-12:00
s3 - mom2pandc DH - ? - Estimated 12:00-14:00
s4 - 1lilspark - 336xx - Estimated 12:01-14:00 mm (Front of s4 = 5:38am start time)
s4 - 347xx - Runner from Facebook


HM
s1 - Wishuponastar0412 DH - 2xx - POT under 2 hrs
s1 - Oswald0827 - 2XX - POT under 2hrs
s1 - striker1064 - 3xx - 1:58 HM POT
s1 - btk2333 - 4xx - POT under 2 hrs
SaraW - 9xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
FanforDisney - 10xx - What was your estimated pace?
Kerry1957 - 10xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
jhk1206 DH - 15XX - Estimated 2:00-2:15
HangWithMerida - 25xx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
Wishuponastar0412 - 26XX - Estimated 2:16-2:30
jenljeffers1989 - 28xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30
s3 - Ronski - 38xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00?
s3 - Figment1990 - 39xx - Estimated 2:45-3:00
s4 - jimrpa - 55xx - Estimated 3:01-3:15


Challenge
s1 - rundisfan DH - 200XX POT - 1:30 HM POT
s1 - huskies90 - 200xx - 1:35 HM POT
s1 - rundisfan - 200XX - 1:36 HM POT
s1 - zfletch74 - 20XXX - 3:44 M POT
s1 - Dopey 2020 - 202XX - 1:49 HM POT
s1 - camaker - 202xx - 3:57 M POT
s1 - pixarmom - 203XX - 1:57 HM POT
s1 - erbam06 - 204XX - 53:31 10k POT
Keith Tyger - 206xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - Rogue224 - high 20xxx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
FanforDisney - 209xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - lukemorenus - 212xx - Estimated 2:01-2:15
jhk1206 - 21XXX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s2 - PrincessV - 21xxx - Estimated 2:00-2:15
s2 - ValW - 221xx - Platinum Club rD, Estimated time of 2:15 - 2:30
EveV - 225XX - Estimated 2:01-2:15
s3 - accm - 225xx - Estimated 2-2:15
s3 - broadsheet - 226xx - Estimated 2:16-2:30 (Front of s3 = 5:22am for 10k and 5:20am for HM)
s3 - huskies90 DW - 229xx - No POT, what was estimated pace?
s3 - mom2pandc - ? - Estimated 2:30-2:45?
RangerPooh - 23xxx - Estimated 2:30-2:45
Sleepy425 - 24xxx - Estimated 3:00-3:15
s2 - Runner from Facebook who is Platinum Club rD and "very slow"

*Balloon ladies crossed ~60 min after start gun for both 10k and HM

Oh, you can keep it! I figured that since you weren't going, you would be "disinclined to acquiesce to this request" (to paraphrase Barbossa) But I will give you an out....if you don't want to do it--or need help--just let me/us know.

 

[DopeyBadger]

Oh, you can keep it! I figured that since you weren't going, you would be "disinclined to acquiesce to this request" (to paraphrase Barbossa) But I will give you an out....if you don't want to do it--or need help--just let me/us know.

I'm more than fine to do it. The Excel spreadsheet does most of the heavy lifting. Just a matter of changing a few calculations based on a potential new course, and a few changes to account for the new corral situation. But things like color coding based on alcohol and stuff are programmed in and ready to go. But I'll wait to start putting it together until people get their bib numbers. As between the bib number, their estimated finish, and using runner tracking to determine total number of runners, we'll be able to estimate their start group and determine timing based on rate calculations.

 

[GreatLakes]

2020 with EP at the front end was a disaster - at least for those of us in the back half of the pack. The crowding was so bad: on par with Cone Alley during a PHM, but through all of WS. It sounded like a great idea, but between the delayed start (because buses were still on the road they needed to clear to run on, and the congestion, it was a pretty awful start to the race, TBH.

No construction on Osceola that I recall - I personally think they like using Western Way because it's not super critical for vehicular traffic, and it made it really easy to cut the course short and redirect runners by skipping the BB section altogether. That tiny little stint in DHS has been the new normal for a while, now: marathon, SW, W&D - for at least a few years' worth of races. It's a huge bummer, IMO, but I think it was done to deal with the increased number of Guests in the park and trying to run a race through those crowds.

I thought the morning loop through Epcot was the highlight of the course in 2011.

I do hope to get more time in AK and DHS but it is what it is.