BWV Dreamin
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Glad to see online holds it when modifying.^^^ This. I do it all the time. Plans can change.
Glad to see online holds it when modifying.^^^ This. I do it all the time. Plans can change.
So I'm curious. When you book a Stay through DVC. How easy is it to change your hotel? Do you need to cancel your current reservation then pray and hope its there 5 mins later when you rebook? Or do you go into your current reservation and modify it like a non DVC reservation, or are you calling up and having disney do it over the phone?
Sandi, this comment isn't necessarily directed towards you and it certainly isn't meant as an attack on you or your opinion of AKV in any way, but if someone made that AKV comment about RIV, they would be getting attacked for hating on RIV. Just an observation in reading these boards over the last few months. Seems any negative comments about RIV are attacked, while negative comments about any other resort aren't generally attacked and are debated civilly.I have to update that I did my calculations wrong. I am only spending 43% more to stay at RIV, over the others.
But, I just got BWV SV studio for my arrival night, so I don’t even need to suffer through staying at AKV and got 5 points back!
Sandi, this comment isn't necessarily directed towards you and it certainly isn't meant as an attack on you or your opinion of AKV in any way, but if someone made that AKV comment about RIV, they would be getting attacked for hating on RIV. Just an observation in reading these boards over the last few months. Seems any negative comments about RIV are attacked, while negative comments about any other resort aren't generally attacked and are debated civilly.
That's sort of the point I guess. You said you were glad you won't have to suffer through a night there (since it's your least favorite resort) which is totally valid, but if someone had a similar comment about suffering through a RIV stay they would be attacked (not by you specifically). That's the vibe I get from these boards anyway with RIV. There are very strong opinions on RIV both ways. Everyone kind of just needs to relax when talking about it and just respect everyone's opinions. People don't have to agree with others opinions, but I wish the back and forth on RIV was more like it is on other resorts where people don't take offense to everything that is said whether negative or positive. There is a resort for everyone. I know you dislike AKV but love other resorts (BWV and BLT in particular if I'm not mistaken) meanwhile I love AKV and BLT is my least desirable. Even though we disagree on preferred resorts, we both love DVC and DIS. So I guess my point is why can't we all just get along and discuss valid points on RIV without anyone taking offense or getting overly defensive.No offense taken, but Im confused. What negative comment did I make about AKV?
Nothing I said even discussed the resort.
That's sort of the point I guess. You said you were glad you won't have to suffer through a night there (since it's your least favorite resort) which is totally valid, but if someone had a similar comment about suffering through a RIV stay they would be attacked (not by you specifically). That's the vibe I get from these boards anyway with RIV. There are very strong opinions on RIV both ways. Everyone kind of just needs to relax when talking about it and just respect everyone's opinions. People don't have to agree with others opinions, but I wish the back and forth on RIV was more like it is on other resorts where people don't take offense to everything that is said whether negative or positive. There is a resort for everyone. I know you dislike AKV but love other resorts (BWV and BLT in particular if I'm not mistaken) meanwhile I love AKV and BLT is my least desirable. Even though we disagree on preferred resorts, we both love DVC and DIS. So I guess my point is why can't we all just get along and discuss valid points on RIV without anyone taking offense or getting overly defensive.
And just a sub bullet to all this, I apologize to everyone because this is all completely of topic of this thread.
That's sort of the point I guess. You said you were glad you won't have to suffer through a night there (since it's your least favorite resort) which is totally valid, but if someone had a similar comment about suffering through a RIV stay they would be attacked (not by you specifically). That's the vibe I get from these boards anyway with RIV. There are very strong opinions on RIV both ways. Everyone kind of just needs to relax when talking about it and just respect everyone's opinions. People don't have to agree with others opinions, but I wish the back and forth on RIV was more like it is on other resorts where people don't take offense to everything that is said whether negative or positive. There is a resort for everyone. I know you dislike AKV but love other resorts (BWV and BLT in particular if I'm not mistaken) meanwhile I love AKV and BLT is my least desirable. Even though we disagree on preferred resorts, we both love DVC and DIS. So I guess my point is why can't we all just get along and discuss valid points on RIV without anyone taking offense or getting overly defensive.
And just a sub bullet to all this, I apologize to everyone because this is all completely of topic of this thread.
I don’t like the restrictions but they may not have put me off if the resort had blown me away as guides were saying pre opening we could expect the new Grand Floridian. It certainly is not that, so the restrictions are only 50% of the reason I would not buy, which were malleable for the right resort. Reflections looks more like it.
I highly suspected that the Riviera resale restrictions would make buyers more hesitant to buy there. I know that when I bought (many years ago) I considered ability to resell if I ever had the financial need. Is The Riviera that superior to the other resorts, that someone would rather be restricted to only staying there, than restricted to not staying there (which will be the choice of those buying resale some years from now, when they choose which resort to buy resale).
Which is totally getting away from the original DVC model. I fail to see the reason to change it as it has obviously been a great selling model. Now, I think not so much.I think it is just a different way of looking at it and not everyone goes in with expecting to get Something back when selling.
I didn’t when I first purchased BLT back in 2009. Granted, emergencies happen, and someone forced to sell within a year or two, IMO, could lose 30% or more when selling,
I do think that the buying pool will be smaller, but there are going to be people who will buy a RIV contract to stay just there because they can also buy other resale contracts for the rest of the resorts it doesn't have to be an either or situation.
And a method to eventually bring down the value and desirability of resale contracts over time.I too have been vocal about how the restriction go against the original DVC model. Unfortunately, my guess is they are here to stay. As time goes on and more new owners buy in on the current model, it becomes the norm for they know of no other way. This is a long term strategy, as when 2042 comes and several of the L14 resorts are lost, the restrictions become a bigger and bigger selling point to buy direct. Which is the goal they are aiming for. Not to mention the remaining L14 resorts will have their end date just around the corner making the resale value of those resorts less desirable.
Maybe, but the only thing they changed during the 2008 recession was the amount & availability of purchase incentives. They did not alter the list price, just increased the incentives if sales weren't meeting expectations. (The first of the restrictions on the use of resale points didn't begin until 3/12/2011, so no parallel there).I"m not sure I agree that everyone should just settle into the new reality of high points per night and resale restrictions because they won't be going away. Keep in mind the economy is extremely strong right now and macro-economic forces are much stronger than anything DVD can do. Another 2008 type recession and sales would be very strongly affected. In such conditions, the current model of high cost and restrictions just wouldn't be tenable and would almost certainly change.
There is reciprocity though. Direct buyers, and those grandfathered, may stay at Riviera just like direct buyers of Riviera can trade into other resorts. Newer resale buyer can't trade into Riviera however resale buyers at Riviera also can not trade out to other resorts. There are limitations going both ways.My two cents, as someone who is in the midst of buying a resale contract - Disney may be forced to change some of the policies. The biggest issue is that they are barring resale purchasers from staying at the new resorts but allowing owners of the new resorts to stay at the home resorts of resale purchasers. Inherent in a timeshare network is reciprocity. I get to stay at your resort and you get to stay at mine. If Disney suddenly decided to let Marriott timeshare owners stay at DVC resorts without DVC owners being allowed to stay at Marriott timeshares, that would be patently wrong and this situation isn't much different. In many ways, these new restrictions make Riviera and its future siblings a different resort.
Whether you are a direct purchaser or a resale purchaser, your maintenance fees are paying for the upkeep of your resort. By allowing new resort owners to stay at that resort without reciprocity, resale owners' property rights are being infringed. It would make a good class action suit (I say that as an attorney of 20 years although my current position bars me from litigation).
If the day comes when Disney has to address this argument, they aren't going to set up a separate system, they will likely relax all of the resale restrictions (not the perks of course).