Provincial plans for loosening restrictions

[mort1331]

So insider joke...go outside but be responsible....i dont need more business
Please..
Took myself to testing for my bday last week...negative..great present...everyone symptom or not should just see.

 

[OkanaganAmanda]

We are in BC and my daughter’s first day back is today. She is in grade one, and will go on Thursday/Fridays for the next 4 weeks. Half of the class goes M/T, and the other half go Th/Fr. I don’t know of any classmates offhand who aren’t going back. We are quite rural and there are no active cases in our area, and the school is built for more than twice the capacity of what it currently has. We needed closure (socially) for the end of the year. At grade 1, there wasn’t a whole lot of an attempt to provide schooling opportunities at this age because they do t want the kids on screens very much, and they know parents only have so much time to do homeschooling.

They have been VERY communicative with what processes will change, how the school day will look (most of it outdoors!) so we are mostly just curiious to see how this will function.

It is a work in progress so I think better to work out the kinks now, in June, when the weather is nice and they can be outdoors a lot, and when there is a more relaxed expectation as far as academics for the rest of the year. I’m sure it will feel very different come September, so I am happy they have a few weeks to work processes and expectations through now

 

[Aladora]

So insider joke...go outside but be responsible....i dont need more business
Please..
Took myself to testing for my bday last week...negative..great present...everyone symptom or not should just see.

Lol, I was about to post something semi-snarky about not everywhere being affected by C-19 to the same extent and how places like Vancouver Island has not had a new case in over 3 weeks...but yeah, nevermind.

I'm having my gallbladder removed in a two weeks and while I have not heard anything, I think there is a high probability that I will have to be tested beforehand.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

So, I came across this facebook post this morning and it kinda hit me a tad differently than I thought it would. Take a read and see if it does this to you as well:


By Joyce Wright

The Campbellton doctor who became the focus of much anger and hatred in NB is on my mind.

Here are the facts we were originally given:
* He crossed into Quebec for "personal reasons" and didn't "self-isolate" for 14 days after.
* Premier Higgs directly blamed this man for NB's newest cases (13 positive tests out of a province of 750,000 people)
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell referred to this man as being "irresponsible", endangering other citizens.
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell also said the doctor lied ("was not forthcoming") about the purpose of his trip; I am waiting for evidence of that.
* This man has endured racial slurs (which I saw with my own eyes), public humiliation, and death threats.
* This man's license to practice medicine has been suspended, and he is under investigation by the RCMP.
* Even on my post asking how we can "prove" he got the virus in Quebec, posts about him were vehement.

But...now we have more facts:
* His "personal trip" involved driving to Quebec to pick up his 4-year old daughter. And...child custody crossings are exempt from isolation requirements, though perhaps the doctor didn't know that.
* The girl's mother had to leave Canada to go to her own father's funeral, and the child needed to stay with someone.
* The doctor drove there and straight back...no stops.
* The doctor was publicly vilified as selfish and reckless, first by our premier and chief medical officer, then by citizens.

BUT...to add insult to his injury, here are more facts:
* He wasn't tested for the virus until after Public Health informed him that one of his patients had tested positive.
* Doctors in the Vitalite Network are exempt from the isolation requirements if they are traveling into NB to work. About 25% of ER shifts in that region are covered by doctors traveling into NB from Quebec to work, then return to Quebec . .back and forth freely, no isolation required. We must ask ourselves, how was his round trip into Quebec to get his daughter any more of a danger to NB than doctors who work in Quebec hospitals one day, then in NB hospitals the next? Or who simply travel in to work but live in Quebec??
* Many nurses in Quebec and NB also work cross-province, and have throughout this pandemic.
* Many employees at the care facility affected now ALSO live in Quebec and were traveling into NB to work....in that facility. How was his round trip, to pick up a 4-year-old daughter, more dangerous to NB than those workers crossing that same border for every shift?
* The doctor and his daughter have both tested positive (only because his patient did, remember), but both are completely asymptomatic. How many more asymptomatic people are there...meaning the virus could be far less severe than is being promoted?

Why were our premier and chief medical officer so quick to publicly say such details about this man, when so many other doctors and health care workers cross that same border EVERY SINGLE DAY, to work in our hospitals and care homes, without isolating?

Did they just not know about all these exemptions (Ms. Russell seemed surprised by these facts)?
Or were they just looking for a convenient scapegoat, and this man fit the bill because his was a "selfish" and "reckless" personal trip, and that creates more justification for continued shutdowns than if the facts pointed to a doctor or nurse who traveled in for the express purpose of working a shift?
Or, were they just blinded by anger at new cases, and didn't stop to think that this man was tested because one of his patients tested positive, which means the doctor could have caught it from that patient?

I hope this man gets a public apology, and a big fat lawsuit settlement out of what was done to him.
____________________________________________________________
Thoughts?

 

[Debbie]

So, I came across this facebook post this morning and it kinda hit me a tad differently than I thought it would. Take a read and see if it does this to you as well:


By Joyce Wright

The Campbellton doctor who became the focus of much anger and hatred in NB is on my mind.

Here are the facts we were originally given:
* He crossed into Quebec for "personal reasons" and didn't "self-isolate" for 14 days after.
* Premier Higgs directly blamed this man for NB's newest cases (13 positive tests out of a province of 750,000 people)
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell referred to this man as being "irresponsible", endangering other citizens.
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell also said the doctor lied ("was not forthcoming") about the purpose of his trip; I am waiting for evidence of that.
* This man has endured racial slurs (which I saw with my own eyes), public humiliation, and death threats.
* This man's license to practice medicine has been suspended, and he is under investigation by the RCMP.
* Even on my post asking how we can "prove" he got the virus in Quebec, posts about him were vehement.

But...now we have more facts:
* His "personal trip" involved driving to Quebec to pick up his 4-year old daughter. And...child custody crossings are exempt from isolation requirements, though perhaps the doctor didn't know that.
* The girl's mother had to leave Canada to go to her own father's funeral, and the child needed to stay with someone.
* The doctor drove there and straight back...no stops.
* The doctor was publicly vilified as selfish and reckless, first by our premier and chief medical officer, then by citizens.

BUT...to add insult to his injury, here are more facts:
* He wasn't tested for the virus until after Public Health informed him that one of his patients had tested positive.
* Doctors in the Vitalite Network are exempt from the isolation requirements if they are traveling into NB to work. About 25% of ER shifts in that region are covered by doctors traveling into NB from Quebec to work, then return to Quebec . .back and forth freely, no isolation required. We must ask ourselves, how was his round trip into Quebec to get his daughter any more of a danger to NB than doctors who work in Quebec hospitals one day, then in NB hospitals the next? Or who simply travel in to work but live in Quebec??
* Many nurses in Quebec and NB also work cross-province, and have throughout this pandemic.
* Many employees at the care facility affected now ALSO live in Quebec and were traveling into NB to work....in that facility. How was his round trip, to pick up a 4-year-old daughter, more dangerous to NB than those workers crossing that same border for every shift?
* The doctor and his daughter have both tested positive (only because his patient did, remember), but both are completely asymptomatic. How many more asymptomatic people are there...meaning the virus could be far less severe than is being promoted?

Why were our premier and chief medical officer so quick to publicly say such details about this man, when so many other doctors and health care workers cross that same border EVERY SINGLE DAY, to work in our hospitals and care homes, without isolating?

Did they just not know about all these exemptions (Ms. Russell seemed surprised by these facts)?
Or were they just looking for a convenient scapegoat, and this man fit the bill because his was a "selfish" and "reckless" personal trip, and that creates more justification for continued shutdowns than if the facts pointed to a doctor or nurse who traveled in for the express purpose of working a shift?
Or, were they just blinded by anger at new cases, and didn't stop to think that this man was tested because one of his patients tested positive, which means the doctor could have caught it from that patient?

I hope this man gets a public apology, and a big fat lawsuit settlement out of what was done to him.
____________________________________________________________
Thoughts?

Wow. It sure puts things into perspective and the "don't be quick to judge" line is front and centre. Who is to say that he didn't get the virus from one of his patients? I didn't realize that it was a quick round trip and not some vacation in Quebec. I think he definitely deserves a public apology, but his life and reputation is ruined. Thanks for the read. It definitely gives one pause.

 

[FigmentSpark]

So, I came across this facebook post this morning and it kinda hit me a tad differently than I thought it would. Take a read and see if it does this to you as well:


By Joyce Wright

The Campbellton doctor who became the focus of much anger and hatred in NB is on my mind.

Here are the facts we were originally given:
* He crossed into Quebec for "personal reasons" and didn't "self-isolate" for 14 days after.
* Premier Higgs directly blamed this man for NB's newest cases (13 positive tests out of a province of 750,000 people)
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell referred to this man as being "irresponsible", endangering other citizens.
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell also said the doctor lied ("was not forthcoming") about the purpose of his trip; I am waiting for evidence of that.
* This man has endured racial slurs (which I saw with my own eyes), public humiliation, and death threats.
* This man's license to practice medicine has been suspended, and he is under investigation by the RCMP.
* Even on my post asking how we can "prove" he got the virus in Quebec, posts about him were vehement.

But...now we have more facts:
* His "personal trip" involved driving to Quebec to pick up his 4-year old daughter. And...child custody crossings are exempt from isolation requirements, though perhaps the doctor didn't know that.
* The girl's mother had to leave Canada to go to her own father's funeral, and the child needed to stay with someone.
* The doctor drove there and straight back...no stops.
* The doctor was publicly vilified as selfish and reckless, first by our premier and chief medical officer, then by citizens.

BUT...to add insult to his injury, here are more facts:
* He wasn't tested for the virus until after Public Health informed him that one of his patients had tested positive.
* Doctors in the Vitalite Network are exempt from the isolation requirements if they are traveling into NB to work. About 25% of ER shifts in that region are covered by doctors traveling into NB from Quebec to work, then return to Quebec . .back and forth freely, no isolation required. We must ask ourselves, how was his round trip into Quebec to get his daughter any more of a danger to NB than doctors who work in Quebec hospitals one day, then in NB hospitals the next? Or who simply travel in to work but live in Quebec??
* Many nurses in Quebec and NB also work cross-province, and have throughout this pandemic.
* Many employees at the care facility affected now ALSO live in Quebec and were traveling into NB to work....in that facility. How was his round trip, to pick up a 4-year-old daughter, more dangerous to NB than those workers crossing that same border for every shift?
* The doctor and his daughter have both tested positive (only because his patient did, remember), but both are completely asymptomatic. How many more asymptomatic people are there...meaning the virus could be far less severe than is being promoted?

Why were our premier and chief medical officer so quick to publicly say such details about this man, when so many other doctors and health care workers cross that same border EVERY SINGLE DAY, to work in our hospitals and care homes, without isolating?

Did they just not know about all these exemptions (Ms. Russell seemed surprised by these facts)?
Or were they just looking for a convenient scapegoat, and this man fit the bill because his was a "selfish" and "reckless" personal trip, and that creates more justification for continued shutdowns than if the facts pointed to a doctor or nurse who traveled in for the express purpose of working a shift?
Or, were they just blinded by anger at new cases, and didn't stop to think that this man was tested because one of his patients tested positive, which means the doctor could have caught it from that patient?

I hope this man gets a public apology, and a big fat lawsuit settlement out of what was done to him.
____________________________________________________________
Thoughts?

You are 100% correct. I read the articles about him at first as though he'd gone to hang out with a girlfriend. I guess the rumor mills had already been going when I saw it. When I heard it was to pick up his daughter, I felt, well rather embarrassed that I assumed the worst of him. I agree, the Premier is at fault here and was probably playing politics. Uncalled for. I hope he gets his licence and job back.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

Apparently back in May, he had submitted a formal closure of his practice in NB. I think that is purely coincidental.

 

[Aladora]

Vancouver Island Health Region is now Covid-19 free!

So yeah, if the rest of the world wants to stay away, that would be great!

https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2020/0...2hyBl0e5lO11OKzauqqr7wigMsrd08Xq6u7bv0VdOZfXs

 

[mort1331]

So, I came across this facebook post this morning and it kinda hit me a tad differently than I thought it would. Take a read and see if it does this to you as well:


By Joyce Wright

The Campbellton doctor who became the focus of much anger and hatred in NB is on my mind.

Here are the facts we were originally given:
* He crossed into Quebec for "personal reasons" and didn't "self-isolate" for 14 days after.
* Premier Higgs directly blamed this man for NB's newest cases (13 positive tests out of a province of 750,000 people)
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell referred to this man as being "irresponsible", endangering other citizens.
* Premier Higgs and Jennifer Russell also said the doctor lied ("was not forthcoming") about the purpose of his trip; I am waiting for evidence of that.
* This man has endured racial slurs (which I saw with my own eyes), public humiliation, and death threats.
* This man's license to practice medicine has been suspended, and he is under investigation by the RCMP.
* Even on my post asking how we can "prove" he got the virus in Quebec, posts about him were vehement.

But...now we have more facts:
* His "personal trip" involved driving to Quebec to pick up his 4-year old daughter. And...child custody crossings are exempt from isolation requirements, though perhaps the doctor didn't know that.
* The girl's mother had to leave Canada to go to her own father's funeral, and the child needed to stay with someone.
* The doctor drove there and straight back...no stops.
* The doctor was publicly vilified as selfish and reckless, first by our premier and chief medical officer, then by citizens.

BUT...to add insult to his injury, here are more facts:
* He wasn't tested for the virus until after Public Health informed him that one of his patients had tested positive.
* Doctors in the Vitalite Network are exempt from the isolation requirements if they are traveling into NB to work. About 25% of ER shifts in that region are covered by doctors traveling into NB from Quebec to work, then return to Quebec . .back and forth freely, no isolation required. We must ask ourselves, how was his round trip into Quebec to get his daughter any more of a danger to NB than doctors who work in Quebec hospitals one day, then in NB hospitals the next? Or who simply travel in to work but live in Quebec??
* Many nurses in Quebec and NB also work cross-province, and have throughout this pandemic.
* Many employees at the care facility affected now ALSO live in Quebec and were traveling into NB to work....in that facility. How was his round trip, to pick up a 4-year-old daughter, more dangerous to NB than those workers crossing that same border for every shift?
* The doctor and his daughter have both tested positive (only because his patient did, remember), but both are completely asymptomatic. How many more asymptomatic people are there...meaning the virus could be far less severe than is being promoted?

Why were our premier and chief medical officer so quick to publicly say such details about this man, when so many other doctors and health care workers cross that same border EVERY SINGLE DAY, to work in our hospitals and care homes, without isolating?

Did they just not know about all these exemptions (Ms. Russell seemed surprised by these facts)?
Or were they just looking for a convenient scapegoat, and this man fit the bill because his was a "selfish" and "reckless" personal trip, and that creates more justification for continued shutdowns than if the facts pointed to a doctor or nurse who traveled in for the express purpose of working a shift?
Or, were they just blinded by anger at new cases, and didn't stop to think that this man was tested because one of his patients tested positive, which means the doctor could have caught it from that patient?

I hope this man gets a public apology, and a big fat lawsuit settlement out of what was done to him.
____________________________________________________________
Thoughts?

Thank ypu for the update on real facts...o dont do bookface or gramathon or any other reality social...just here..am I am thankfull for people like you who give us the facts and can back them up. Depending on what statio n you watch you will get different stories and perspectives. So even with the news we all need to filter out what we see hear and watch.

 

[bankr63]

@ilovetotravel1977 I noted a distinct change in how this story was presented on The National in the last few days. They certainly relayed the facts better last night, but alas no apology or distinct revision that I noticed (but I don't tend to watch the entire newscast - that's dog walk/bedtime around here). Some reporting organization somewhere did not take their fact checking seriously before putting this on the wire for the world to pick up, and sadly it has had a horrendous impact on this individual.

I am not surprised to find the doctor was in the right. Most medical staff on the front lines are only too well aware of the risks and the consequences. I suspect the 4yo daughter was probably with mom to isolate from dad whose risk was quite high. And sure enough, she may well have caught the virus from him through his work exposure. I have several friends on the front lines, and am amazed at the level of planning they have put into isolation protocols if required. One is a nurse on a converted COVID ward, and the steps he must take every day to keep his wife and kids safe are mind-boggling. He also has a "safe house" available if needed. Another is a firefighter and is lucky that the city has converted a former station into an "isolation station" for those who may have been exposed and are waiting through the testing cycle.

 

[Donald - my hero]

Now that some restrictions on health care have been lifted in Ontario i thought it would be decent for me to share some information my hubby got from Health Benefit plan we use regarding dentists. It came as a complete shock to us!!
I'm cutting & pasting directly from the letter:

Ok, fine, i guess that makes sense sorta, but it is a bit concerning, right? wait for it ...

 

[isabellea]

Now that some restrictions on health care have been lifted in Ontario i thought it would be decent for me to share some information my hubby got from Health Benefit plan we use regarding dentists. It came as a complete shock to us!!
I'm cutting & pasting directly from the letter:
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Ok, fine, i guess that makes sense sorta, but it is a bit concerning, right? wait for it ...
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That amount is ridiculous! 15-20$ maybe but 50-75$ is ridiculous! Medical grade PPE is not that expensive!! They don’t need a disposable armor, they would need a mask (most expensive would be N95), a disposable gown, gloves and a visor. Most visors/eye protection can be safely reused. In fact, my dentist was already using all that pre-COVID except for the gown so I would be very annoyed if they tried to charge me that amount.

 

[ABCanada]

That amount is ridiculous! 15-20$ maybe but 50-75$ is ridiculous! Medical grade PPE is not that expensive!! They don’t need a disposable armor, they would need a mask (most expensive would be N95), a disposable gown, gloves and a visor. Most visors/eye protecti

Some of the costs may relate to fewer patients / customers per hour.

Many of the services have extended the booking slot times to ensure their is no overlap and to allow for cleaning between them.

Depending on the booking blocks, assuming a 15 minute 'cleaning gap', they could be reducing revenue by a third for half hour slots or 25% for 45 minute slots etc. With a limited foot print, even if they hire someone to do the cleaning they would not be able to get the same turn over so suffer a total revenue loss unless there was some way to extend their hours with some kind of shifting. Same rent, same salaries, lower revenue.

This is on top of any additional cost.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

So glad I already paid for my new bite plane March 3! I just need to go in for a new mold of my teeth.

 

[Pkltm]

Some of the costs may relate to fewer patients / customers per hour.

Many of the services have extended the booking slot times to ensure their is no overlap and to allow for cleaning between them.

Depending on the booking blocks, assuming a 15 minute 'cleaning gap', they could be reducing revenue by a third for half hour slots or 25% for 45 minute slots etc. With a limited foot print, even if they hire someone to do the cleaning they would not be able to get the same turn over so suffer a total revenue loss unless there was some way to extend their hours with some kind of shifting. Same rent, same salaries, lower revenue.

This is on top of any additional cost.

So should restaurants charge a large extra amount because they have extra cleaning and can have less customers? How about retail stores. The cost of gloves, masks and claening supplies for a store like ikea must be huge, what if there was a covid fee for everything you bought? Every business is paying the same rent, salaries and have lover revenue, why shoudl a dentist get to charge $50-$75

 

[ABCanada]

So should restaurants charge a large extra amount because they have extra cleaning and can have less customers? How about retail stores. The cost of gloves, masks and claening supplies for a store like ikea must be huge, what if there was a covid fee for everything you bought? Every business is paying the same rent, salaries and have lover revenue, why shoudl a dentist get to charge $50-$75

Yes, (large being a relative amount)

The local restaurant we frequent already has and we are willing to pay because we want them to survive. Preferably succeed but right now I think they would settle for survival.

Dentists are small businesses with high capital costs. If you expect the services you will need to pay. Businesses, including dentists, often have a significant investment at risk and work with fairly low margins. If you are not willing to pay the service might not be available. With less competition you will end up paying more.

Hopefully we will get back to the previous norm and the costs will go down (I know, seems prices go up and not down but it is more likely with a surcharge).

 

[mkmommy]

I have read that Covid Surcharges are going to pop up everywhere, from Hair salons to dentists.

I work in the hospitality industry and it will be awhile till daily room cleaning, coffee makers in the room and other high touch things are back.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

DD and I have hair appointments next week and there is a $3 COVID-19 surcharge.

 

[ottawamom]

Hair appointments! I am so jealous. I so need a good cut and highlights. No end in sight for the messy mops here in Ontario.

 

[hdrolfe]

I have good dental coverage through work, and wonder if any of the new charge will be covered. I find dentists frustrating in any case, it took a few tries to find one that didn't want to just charge extra or do extra procedures on my son because of the coverage.

I don't see going to a restaurant any time soon even if they do open up. We are ok with various delivery options, we are paying extra through delivery fees and such, but we are also trying to support some of the local places.

As for the hairdressers, since I was brave and did my own hair I don't think we'll be doing that any time soon either, but I am happy to wear a mask if we have to for that when we do go back. A co-worker who lives on the Quebec side, went for her haircut and her hairdresser told her they have lost $80K and only allowed to have 2 people working, cutting hair at a time. So only 2 customers in store at a time.