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My thing is that every city had the potential to do something like this. Show you are listening, shift the narrative that is working against you. It doesn't take a lot when it is coming from the right place. It gives me hope to see that some cities chose to go this route, rather than stoke the flames. There are first hand accounts from many of the protests that say that the protest was peaceful until the cops showed up, but it seems more that the cops that came in peace and willing to empathize had a positive effect as well.
 
You’ve shown your true colors.
Yes, very clearly.

Are people so afraid of equality and protecting that status quo that they’re able to just flat out deny there’s an issue of systematic racism and oppression that’s been going on for well over a hundred years?
Yes, they are.

That code has been broken. You weren't noting any sort of cultural difference. What you are attempting, is to chalk up racial stereotyping to culture. A kinder gentler racial stereotyping if you will. An old stereotype reworded and sanitized to make it more palatable. All that changed was the rationalization and the wording. But the racial stereotyping remained the same.
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Yes they knew each other. They worked at the same club. That came out a few days ago. I fail to see what Floyd being an adult film actor has to do with anything, if it's even true. Neither of these things justify what happened to him.
Agreed. Doesn't add more to the criminal narrative anymore than the news that the officer's wife filed for divorce. Or that she is a woman of color.
 
Are people so afraid of equality and protecting that status quo that they’re able to just flat out deny there’s an issue of systematic racism and oppression that’s been going on for well over a hundred years?

You nailed it.

And to go a step further, I truly believe that many people equate equality with revenge. They fear that if the status quo changes we will treat them the way we have been treated.
 


You nailed it.

And to go a step further, I truly believe that many people equate equality with revenge. They fear that if the status quo changes we will treat them the way we have been treated.

They might see it as helping the person across the street means less help for them. Hard to peek out from underneath an umbrella of privilege and even recognize there is an underlying issue affecting millions of others if it doesn't affect you or your inner circle.
 
That is my local Target here in Brooklyn.

During the protest yesterday, a white officer was separated from the other officers he was with. A group of black men formed a circle around him to keep him safe.
My old stomping grounds before Target and Barclay Stadium. When Macy's was called A+S and there were 4 different department stores of Fulton; loved raising my family there:).

You nailed it.

And to go a step further, I truly believe that many people equate equality with revenge. They fear that if the status quo changes we will treat them the way we have been treated.
And to take @FairestOfThemAll37 thought even further, some think that people of color will treat them as a monolithic group as they themselves have done.
 
Sorry for my absence from the thread yesterday. I was called to deal with "peaceful" protesters that were kicking in windshields of police cars, throwing rocks, and tackling cops. Every media outlet in the area described it as "peaceful" with "beautiful" chants.
Yeah...welcome to the glamorous profession of law enforcement. Hopefully none of your officers were seriously injured. We had some festivities in Miami too, but nothing we couldn't handle.

I'm 100% certain this is not the first time you've experienced slanted news coverage, and it won't be the last.

It's hard to turn around a department due to the fact these conditions manifest over years and years.
Yes, change is difficult in any organization, and the larger the organization the more difficult it is to bring the change to the point where it permeates the entire organization. And police departments are historically very resistant to change.

But we can't just say that and think the statements ends the discussion.
One key problem is the relaxing of hire standards to get different demographics hired. It's all about percentages on a spreadsheet when it comes to hiring. My department through the late 90s and 2000s resisted this. Eventually political pressure leads to promoting people who don't need to be in command. This is the start of the downward slope that you mentioned above with supervisor and managers holding officers accountable. The relaxing of the hiring standards or making exceptions for one or a few demographics hurt agencies more than you think. But it's the leadership that has been put into place due to these political requirements that actually hurts police agencies more.
Right, those are all legitimate challenges to turning any organization around. But leadership gets paid the big bucks to overcome challenges. We faced all of those challenges and more, and many years later our successors are still working on improving the results. Difficult is difficult, not undoable.

If you have to relax hiring standards (and we did), first you try not to relax them TOO much. Then, you monitor things closely and try to weed out mistakes (and there will be mistakes). Weeding out mistakes will not always be allowed, and you have to deal with that -- but most of the time you'll be successful. And, as time goes on, you gradually raise the standards without adversely affecting your diversity.

One other thing we did was avoid much of the "us vs. them" mentality that affirmative action programs often spawn. We did that by including everyone in our affirmative action plan. We created leadership training programs (including command staff positions) at several levels for blacks...and Hispanics...and whites...and women. When we created those positions, we created them 7 at a time: 2 black, 2 Hispanic, 2 white, and 1 woman. The ethnic positions could be either male or female, and we made sure there was legitimate representation. That was effective in diffusing some of the resistance.

If you promote people who are not ready for prime time (and you will have to), you prop them up. I was a propper-upper the last 7 years of my career -- I was specifically placed in positions to shoulder the load my boss couldn't handle, and a lot of my work was training upward. One of my efforts was very successful (although he didn't really need that much help), one was sorta successful, and the other was an abysmal failure -- but we all knew that one would be a carrying operation until he finally retired.

Nobody ever said it would be easy, and it's not. But leaders don't get paid to do the easy work.
 
As I have explained noting cultural differences is not racism. Maybe you all are right and continuing this same discussion for decades more will solve the problems. I am willing to wager it won’t but I could be wrong so good luck to all of you. Remember an election coming up so good to cast your vote for those that will right all the wrongs. No idea why they didn’t do it last time but as you have pointed out I am just a know nothing racist.

What specific culture were you referring to when you referenced African Americans?
 
My old stomping grounds before Target and Barclay Stadium. When Macy's was called A+S and there were 4 different department stores of Fulton; loved raising my family

I loved going to A&S in the spring. I remember going to see the Easter Bunny and running around to see the different displays. One display had baby chicks and ducklings. While we were there we say one of the chicks hatch. That was a HUGE deal for a bunch of kids from Brooklyn. LOL.

That was in the late 70s. I absolutely love NYC.
 
As I posted on another thread, the violent protests of 1967 led to the passage of the Fair Housing Act of 1968. I wish it didn't happen that way, but that's the way it went down. Before Fair Housing, blacks and others could be openly discriminated against in housing. So apartment buildings could be advertised as No Coloreds Allowed, neighborhoods could enforce Whites -Only codicils, and many could be denied access to home mortgages because of the color of their skin. Despite passage, the federal government did not enforce Fair Housing until the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.

So as much as I deplore violence, I have to acknowledge that peaceful protest is mostly ignored or derided by the privileged. And yes, I am thinking about Colin Kaeprnik as but one example.
 
The Jewish people suffered from at least two thousand years of slavery and extreme persecution and have fortunately done incredibly well for themselves. Maybe they can provide a model on overcoming adversity or have lessons to be learned.
 
The Jewish people suffered from at least two thousand years of slavery and extreme persecution and have fortunately done incredibly well for themselves. Maybe they can provide a model on overcoming adversity or have lessons to be learned.

Are you now saying antisemitism is not a thing? Also, it took a World War to stop some absolutely heinous persecution in the last century. This has to be a joke.
 
The Jewish people suffered from at least two thousand years of slavery and extreme persecution and have fortunately done incredibly well for themselves. Maybe they can provide a model on overcoming adversity or have lessons to be learned.
Please stop! Your agenda and personal feelings are clear on the situation.

...never mind, what I want to say to you will get me banned, so I'll just leave it at that.
 
Are you now saying antisemitism is not a thing? Also, it took a World War to stop some absolutely heinous persecution in the last century. This has to be a joke.
Not a joke at all. From biblical times they were persecuted and enslaved. After the Second World War there were still restrictions at Universities in the US that limited access to Jewish people. They weren’t allowed in many country clubs in the US (Groucho Marx has a famous skit about this). In spite of the anti semitism they have done incredibly well. I have no idea why you thought from the above that I was denying anti semitism. Since they are quite successful in spite of what they endured they should be a good model for success in spite of prejudice.
 
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