Coronavirus and DCL Megathread - Suspension of Departures for the fleet until early November. Booking only available from early December.

[Coffee66]

Mike Pence is currently meeting with the cruise industry, hopefully we'll have some clarity one way or another soon.

Shutting down the cruise lines in the USA is a great idea.

 

[Lisa F]

This is the problem. If it spreads far and wide so large numbers of people are getting it, then we will run into a Wuhan-type problem where there is a lack of critical care beds and that will drive up the death rate significantly. That is part of what they are trying to prevent through containment strategies, and what seems to have worked at least to some degree in other parts of China through its use of extreme containment strategies (many of which probably would not be considered acceptable in North America or Europe) which kept infection rates much lower in other areas and therefore the other areas did not have the same degree of overwhelmed medical systems as Wuhan.

absolutely the recommendation of the WHO is to contain to the point where critical care beds can keep up with demand. that's why I said read the whole thing.

But I will say that a 3-4% mortality rate under "ideal circumstances" which is what people are quoting in the US and Europe is different than 3-4% when averaging in a horrendous situation. The percentages are inflated outside of china because our capacity to test is WAY below theirs and we are not showing nearly the number of diagnosed cases they have, nor do we have a big enough sample size for a good number at this point. But people are asking "why bother with containment" and also quoting numbers out of context so it is a good idea to know what the actual context of those numbers floating around are.

No one wants to be in a city that is as overwhelmed as Wuhan is with a mortality rate of 5.8% either.

 

[Gentry2004]

Smart to do that. I’m before PIF date but already paid in full. I’m not worried about the virus. My biggest concern now is getting the best deal. If I GT rate doesn’t come out before my PIF date I may have to move my cruise and wait and see. I’m also looking at Norwegian. All the great deals out there I feel like I’m really overpaying for this cruise at the current price.
If I hadn’t jumped the gun paying it off I’d do what you did.

Can you not still get a full refund, since your PIF date has not passed?

 

[slg]

I hate to say it, but maybe shutting down cruises for two weeks right now until the US as a handle on how many cases there are. Otherwise there are going to be quarantined boat’s everywhere.

 

[Gentry2004]

Shutting down the cruise lines in the USA is a great idea.

The press conference before the meeting was not encouraging. Just a bunch of men thanking each other and telling each other what a great job they are all doing.

 

[smmco]

Can you not still get a full refund, since your PIF date has not passed?

Yes up until April 15. I plan on cruising, but hoping for a better price. They have GT rates on the cruise before mine and the one after.

 

[dhutchin12]

Can you not still get a full refund, since your PIF date has not passed?

Yes, we could have received a full refund. If we had done that, we would have lost the 10 % discount on a future cruise. We knew we would cruise again in that time, so we wanted to keep it.

 

[Aby]

I am having a hard time figuring out what to do. I was all set to rebook our May cruise to January, but the no refundable part gives me pause. If the virus is still around in January, we would be out $9,000 since the fare is not refundable. We still have a week or so to cancel and just lose our deposit. We are leaning towards that option right now. I just don’t like the nonrefundable part with the uncertainty in the world right now.

We are also in the same situation. We have 1 week left to cancel and get everything but our deposit back. We do have another cruise booked next year (exactly 12 months to the day in fact), but my understanding is that if we transfer our booking to that cruise, and then need to cancel it for any reason, we would lose all the money. Losing the deposit now would at least give us most of our money back (even though it’s all in the form of Disney gift cards) with more flexibility in how to use it. I’m also not sure if we will only lose the 10% we paid for the deposit (it was an OBB) or the normal 20% deposit (I’ve read reports of both) - I don’t mind losing the 10% but it gets less easy if it’s 20%. I’d also hate to cancel and lose my deposit now then find out next week that cruises start getting cancelled altogether. At least I can wait at least a few more days to decide...

Aby

 

[smmco]

The press conference before the meeting was not encouraging. Just a bunch of men thanking each other and telling each other what a great job they are all doing.

I’m not sure what people expect the government to do. They'll probably just talk about policies and procedures.

 

[Gentry2004]

We are also in the same situation. We have 1 week left to cancel and get everything but our deposit back. We do have another cruise booked next year (exactly 12 months to the day in fact), but my understanding is that if we transfer our booking to that cruise, and then need to cancel it for any reason, we would lose all the money. Losing the deposit now would at least give us most of our money back (even though it’s all in the form of Disney gift cards) with more flexibility in how to use it. I’m also not sure if we will only lose the 10% we paid for the deposit (it was an OBB) or the normal 20% deposit (I’ve read reports of both) - I don’t mind losing the 10% but it gets less easy if it’s 20%. I’d also hate to cancel and lose my deposit now then find out next week that cruises start getting cancelled altogether. At least I can wait at least a few more days to decide...

Aby

I believe its just the 10% and I'd be leaning that way if I were in your position. I would not give up your flexibility at this time. Just so much we don't know, and won't know...

 

[smmco]

We are also in the same situation. We have 1 week left to cancel and get everything but our deposit back. We do have another cruise booked next year (exactly 12 months to the day in fact), but my understanding is that if we transfer our booking to that cruise, and then need to cancel it for any reason, we would lose all the money. Losing the deposit now would at least give us most of our money back (even though it’s all in the form of Disney gift cards) with more flexibility in how to use it. I’m also not sure if we will only lose the 10% we paid for the deposit (it was an OBB) or the normal 20% deposit (I’ve read reports of both) - I don’t mind losing the 10% but it gets less easy if it’s 20%. I’d also hate to cancel and lose my deposit now then find out next week that cruises start getting cancelled altogether. At least I can wait at least a few more days to decide...

Aby

You will lose 10%.

 

[Gentry2004]

I’m not sure what people expect the government to do. They'll probably just talk about policies and procedures.

Well if they aren't going to do anything not sure why they need a big meeting.

 

[smmco]

Well if they aren't going to do anything not sure why they need a big meeting.

They met with the airline executives too. What were you expecting? Pence to tell them they have to stop doing business and refund everyone their money?

 

[xuxa777]

Another cruise ship held from disbembarking, this time in Long Beach - Carnival Panorama, they waiting for the result of one passengers test for coronavirus, they are going to be held on ship for 6-8 hours.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1236393623249276928

 

[DIS_MIKE]

Our family loves the Magic! I like it the same as Dream class but my husband greatly prefers Magic over Dream class. You’ll have a great time if you choose it.

I’m on the Magic for the first time in May. Looking forward to it and hope the Dream class hasn’t spoiled me too much.

 

[cruisehopeful]

After talking to my husband, we are waiting it out to see if things change one way or the other. If things blow over, we will go on our cruise. If things get worse, Disney may choose to cancel and give us a full refund. If things stay the same, I'll cancel a week or so out, as well as cancel my October cruise and then use my cruise credit to rebook my October cruise at the higher rate. It's what will work out best for us. It's all first world problems for us. Not emotionally attached to what happens at this point.

 

[mousefan73]

I have to ask.. where are you getting these numbers? The number of people who has tested positive, and the number of deaths in the US is widely available. As of right now, those numbers are 376 confirmed positive, with 14 deaths. Which comes out to 3.7%. I agree with you, that this number will likely come down, but as of the hard numbers we have right now, the rate of deaths per positive case is well above 1% in the US.

And in Germany for now it's 0%.. 800 cases and zero deaths.. We need more data on this virus.

 

[plethera1]

I’m not sure what people expect the government to do. They'll probably just talk about policies and procedures.

Well if they aren't going to do anything not sure why they need a big meeting.

Just saw a video of Pence after the meetings and it does seem like it was mostly about procedures at this point. They may have talked about at what point they shut things down though.

 

[mousefan73]

I think cruise lines are being turned into the fall guy. A cruise ship holds on average with crew 3-5 thousand unless a mega ship.. So now they are LOOKING for sick people, testing them and finding postives and holding the whole ship.. I am referring to the two two cases on the coast of CA now..

Can then the CDC please random pick a few towns with about 3-5 thousand inhabitants in CA and test all there. I can guarentee they will find a positive in that town. Looking at patterns globally this has spread.. But sure target cruise ships.. you got all the people at your mercy..

 

[smmco]

And in Germany for now it's 0%.. 800 cases and zero deaths.. We need more data on this virus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-country-2020-3These are some current stats. backs up what your saying.