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Not Gonna Lie......not the best week

How though?

3 years ago you prebooked FPs, 3 years ago you prebooked ADRs, 3 years ago MB were out and about, 3 years ago I'm fairly certain though not completely positive that online check in was available at WL though perhaps back then you stopped at the front desk 100% of the time IDK honestly. However, online check-in is not required. You can opt not to do that should you not want to.

If you're comparing with your trips as time went on sure I totally get that. But certainly the things I'm referring to which were in your first post have been the same pretty much since your last trip thus my question earlier about when the last time you were there and my subsequent question, which went unanswered, about how you planned your trips previously. If you planned completely differently 3 years ago than this trip that may be interacting with at least some of your feelings towards the planning aspect. A PP did point out that you had mentioned on another thread the ease at which you were able to secure your FPs and ADRs so that's good.
Hard to pinpoint exactly what is different from our last visit. I don't remember the option to do online check-in but it may well have existed and we chose not to use it. I didn't mind using it at all but for me, part of the excitement of arriving at a Disney resort is being greeted by the staff. And yes. I was able to acquire our FP's and ADR's easily on the first day I could book them. However, Disney changed one of my FP's to a time that overlapped with an ADR. This had a domino affect as we were unable to book the restaurant that evening at a different time due to other FP's. Just the way it goes. These are my opinions and feelings about the trip. Everyone's experiences are different. i'm not trying to be disrespectful to Disney - at least that isn't my intent. I just wanted to share our personal feelings on things.
 
We were there from the 16th-25th and even though it was crowded we had a great experience. The bus system for POR was pretty good. No matter which park we were in it seemed the restrooms were constantly being cleaned. We encountered wonderful CMs the entire time.
Great to hear. I'm glad your experience was a good one. Ours wasn't bad..... and I don't mean to imply that. It just wasn't quite as good as other times. I still like Disney and in time, will probably return. And yes. There were some REALLY great CM's!
 
It felt easier to get FP's and ADR's three years ago - at least it seemed to be so. We did book these online then as we did this year.
That could be part of it TBH. I've noticed that people who generally have an easy time getting what they wanted (in terms of FP times and specific attractions and in terms of ADR times and specific places) tend to have a less critical viewpoint on the planning which is understandable and of course when that initial planning works without too much hiccups it's even better. I'm not saying you were critical that's just the easiest way to explain it in words that I could think of. More on that in my below comment.

Hard to pinpoint exactly what is different from our last visit. I don't remember the option to do online check-in but it may well have existed and we chose not to use it. I didn't mind using it at all but for me, part of the excitement of arriving at a Disney resort is being greeted by the staff. And yes. I was able to acquire our FP's and ADR's easily on the first day I could book them. However, Disney changed one of my FP's to a time that overlapped with an ADR. This had a domino affect as we were unable to book the restaurant that evening at a different time due to other FP's. Just the way it goes. These are my opinions and feelings about the trip. Everyone's experiences are different. i'm not trying to be disrespectful to Disney - at least that isn't my intent. I just wanted to share our personal feelings on things.
I did notice that thread about the FP changing times which I totally get it a bummer; that could also be part of it TBH. Nothing like getting all your ducks in a row for something to happen that messes it up. If you decide to go back to Disney and online check in is still optional you may just bypass that and just handle things at the front desk. I def. know people who really enjoy that interaction at front desks at hotels. And FWIW I don't think you're being disrespectful to Disney either.

I'm not saying you wouldn't feel exactly the same way towards the planning aspect between the trip in 2015 and this trip since you've been going to WDW for such a long time but you may have not felt like it was now more planning than before if everything had gone completely smooth. That was more or less what I was thinking when I read your comments because really not much has changed since your last trip in terms of planning but for sure a lot has changed since your trips in the 1980s and over time.
 
Disney has evolved with time.
The average person wants full control of their experience which takes customer service out of the equation.
Just like self check out at the grocery store or mobile ordering from a restaurant.
My guess is the CM's were not "annoyed" but rather surprised with the amount of interaction you wanted coupled with the fact that CM's these days aren't given half the info you seek.
If this new age of Disney giving the guests full control is not your thing then yes you may want to choose another destination to try.
Some of it is consumer-driven, but the vast majority of automation is to reduce costs to the businesses, Disney included. There are some instances where computerization makes the experience better and faster, but from what I've heard about MDE alone, a great deal of consumer time is in fact wasted by these systems. So I'd say it's a toss-up, at best. For sure you are right that the control is shifted to the consumer- or from Disney's perspective the labor is shifted to the consumer- and all of the costs associated with that.

Yes, disney is expensive for sure. But if thats part of the problem, have you thought about staying at a moderate level resort? They're quite nice! :)
It's not always about the absolute cost, but rather the value. I think this is what the OP is getting at- he/she has obviously stayed at expensive resorts before. One way to counter this problem is to actually spend more, not less- that is, go club level next time, not moderate. That's our tactic.

I travel a lot, and typically know what the value of any given level of service is. My main hotelier is Marriott. When I'm at a Fairfield, I expect one thing- at a JW Marriott I expect another, and it's this latter category that's left the OP feeling a little disappointed. They say you get what you pay for- well, sometimes you don't.

The only thing I disagree with in the OP’s first post this is indicative of the overall service industry. We have had good service at our favorite hotels in manhattan. Smaller hotels, more boutique types, but we are able to book at times now that we are semi retired when the prices are on a par with Disney moderates.
That's our experience, too. But as you point out the hotels you prefer are both off-season and smaller- both things that you know to look for in order to get great service. I think you and the OP are both correct, from your points of view. If the overall service industry wasn't in decline, maybe you wouldn't have to look for the above qualities into order to have a good time.

IMO, I don't think this can be held against Disney as a negative. The planning aspect is entirely optional and is an option given to guests who want to take advantage of it. No one *has* to pre-book FPs and dining reservations to have a great trip. Will it enhance the experience? Sure. But I bet a good number of people on any given day are inside the parks and know nothing about FPs or advanced dining reservations, and they're still having fun. If you're choosing to take advantage of the pre-booking options, that shouldn't be held as a knock against Disney.
I do respectfully disagree, here. I'm not sure the majority ARE having fun. If just walking into a Disney park was guaranteed good time, we wouldn't all be here (& on many other websites) figuring out how to maximize our opportunities. :tilt: I remember being one of the clueless masses- decades ago- there's no doubt that our trips are better now than they were then, but only because I have the time, money and computer abilities to make that happen. I can't imagine being one of the innocent lambs now! :tongue:

I guess part of my perspective is that we've taken a break from Disney for 6 years, and instead have traveled in many different places. Much has changed, and the process has become very complicated. I never use a TA, not even when I took the family to Europe for a month- but I could maybe entertain it for a trip to Disney! I think we'll have a great time when we go in May, but I do believe that's harder to accomplish than it has been in the past.
 
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They say you get what you pay for- well, sometimes you don't.

I think this sums up a lot. Someone flying down, buying costly hoppers, staying mod or deluxe and spending 10k on a trip will rightfully have much higher expectations and feel every disappointment more sharply than a passholder who paid <$300 for their annual weekday pass, drives up and spends a few hundred bucks tops at a value or Disney Springs hotel and dining outside the parks or mostly QS.

It's a big financial risk splurging on a WDW trip if you live out of state and it's sad to return home feeling like that money could have been better spent on a diff vacation.
 
I guess part of my perspective is that we've taken a break from Disney for 6 years, and instead have traveled in many different places. Much has changed, and the process has become very complicated.

It's also gotten more complex elsewhere, partly due to the stronger economy....top stage shows book months in advance and some carry ticket prices at hundreds each - for a single 2 hr show; popular attractions fill up in advance or have long lines/insane crowds. Food and drinks everywhere have skyrocketed - and in some cities, the bed and hospitality taxes have really soared. I think WDW is a microcosm of what's happening in many areas of travel today.
 
I think this sums up a lot. Someone flying down, buying costly hoppers, staying mod or deluxe and spending 10k on a trip will rightfully have much higher expectations and feel every disappointment more sharply than a passholder who paid <$300 for their annual weekday pass, drives up and spends a few hundred bucks tops at a value or Disney Springs hotel and dining outside the parks or mostly QS.

It's a big financial risk splurging on a WDW trip if you live out of state and it's sad to return home feeling like that money could have been better spent on a diff vacation.
That's a very good point. We travel from far away & spend quite a bit of time and money. That's why I'm cautious, and a bit critical of Disney. On the other hand, if I didn't think we'd have fun and that it would be worth it, we wouldn't come. It's similar in cost to Hawaii or Europe for us. So the experience needs to be as good, or we won't be back either. It's already taken us 6 years to return as it is.
 
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I think this sums up a lot. Someone flying down, buying costly hoppers, staying mod or deluxe and spending 10k on a trip will rightfully have much higher expectations and feel every disappointment more sharply than a passholder who paid <$300 for their annual weekday pass, drives up and spends a few hundred bucks tops at a value or Disney Springs hotel and dining outside the parks or mostly QS.

It's a big financial risk splurging on a WDW trip if you live out of state and it's sad to return home feeling like that money could have been better spent on a diff vacation.
Hmm not sure I agree with that. What one spends is sooooooooooooo different than the next person. But that person who spent 10K on their trip and the person who spent $300 on their AP are equally entitled to an experience that they are satisfied with.

When you frame it as the person who spent less should have less expectations of the trip it becomes a slippery slope. It can also set up the frame of mind of what so many people complain about..you know the people who say "Well I spent X on this trip so I want this and this and this and who cares if you want that I spend this much on this trip, etc"

See I didn't buy tickets through Disney. I went through Undercover Tourist. I didn't take DME, I rented a car. I initially paid rack rate on my on-site stay but added a discount to it. I used Disney gift cards for all my souvenirs some of which was converted Target and Walmart gift cards from my wedding years prior and some were from my birthday and christmas and excuse me for staying at a Value, we ate only 3 meals at TS, the rest being QS and we ate breakfast on the way to the parks using food we brought due to Irma, oh and we used SWA RR Pts for my husband's ticket and a Companion Pass for me. Does that mean because I didn't spend 10K on my trip that I don't have higher expectations? Does that mean because I didn't spent 10K on my trip that I shouldn't be allowed to be disappointed in this or that related to my trip?
 
Same thing happened to us this summer. We usually stay a YC, however after our last stay we all agreed that the remodel just took the "magic" away so we stayed at BC. But the whole vibe has changed with ikeaization of the resort to attract the conventioneers. Stupid things like no more key lime pies at the marketplace. That was my DD tradition, her first thing to eat at Disney, now its all basic cupcakes. The value of WDW has been declining for our family over the past five years but this trip I really felt sorry for the money it cost, and my oldest is a CM. Even with her discounts I just felt the food was over priced and the general experience lacking. Yes I will go back to see my DD, but it will be shorter time onsite, no more deluxe unless they really up the game, and for the first time in 15 yrs I am looking at SeaWorld and Universal.
 
Same thing happened to us this summer. We usually stay a YC, however after our last stay we all agreed that the remodel just took the "magic" away so we stayed at BC. But the whole vibe has changed with ikeaization of the resort to attract the conventioneers. Stupid things like no more key lime pies at the marketplace. That was my DD tradition, her first thing to eat at Disney, now its all basic cupcakes. The value of WDW has been declining for our family over the past five years but this trip I really felt sorry for the money it cost, and my oldest is a CM. Even with her discounts I just felt the food was over priced and the general experience lacking. Yes I will go back to see my DD, but it will be shorter time onsite, no more deluxe unless they really up the game, and for the first time in 15 yrs I am looking at SeaWorld and Universal.

Yea I feel likewise. I definitely hear universal calling my name. And I will shorten my trips. I know onsite Universal will cost a pretty penny but oh the perks! It is worth a shot!
 
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To those expressing less Disney and more Universal/Seaworld its funny how I am the complte opposite for you.

I had been going to Disney, Universal, and Seaworld since I was little.

All 3 places have changed over the years but for me Disney has changed MOSTLY for good and Universal and Seaworld have changed mostly for bad for me.

I felt like I went to Universal and Seaworld during their glory days.
Universal in particular has really turned me off.
Back in the I can remember King Kong (yes I do like Revenge of the Mummy but heck I even miss the bubble gum smell King Kong's line had), Murder She Wrote, Earthquake, Jaws, Beatlejuice, Star Trek, Your Day at Universal, Nickelodeon....
Practically nothing from back then is around which makes me sad.

Seaworld is phasing out the whale shows, you have to pay to even get a chance to touch a dolphin, and its becoming "just another theme park" in a way.

Last time I went to either was 2014 and only spent about 5 hours at each.
And I have zero plans to go back.
 
Yes very true nothing stays the same but I find Disney has changed mostly for the better.
Are there some things I miss sure.
For me though Universal and Seaworld have changed mostly for the worse
I guess for those that don't like Disney anymore Universal and Seaworld may be the answer.
 
Yes very true nothing stays the same but I find Disney has changed mostly for the better.
Are there some things I miss sure.
For me though Universal and Seaworld have changed mostly for the worse
I guess for those that don't like Disney anymore Universal and Seaworld may be the answer.
I don’t think people are saying they don’t like Disney anymore, I think they are just saying they might take a break and check out the other parks for a bit. As for seaworld phasing out the whale shows, I am extremely happy about that. Seaworld has some amazing coasters that are still themed to sea life. I think each of the three parks have different things to offer and they all are good in their own ways. We haven’t been to seaworld or universal in awhile so I’m kind of interested to go back and check them out since we’ve done Disney a lot recently
 
Yes very true nothing stays the same but I find Disney has changed mostly for the better.
Are there some things I miss sure.
For me though Universal and Seaworld have changed mostly for the worse
I guess for those that don't like Disney anymore Universal and Seaworld may be the answer.
I don't do any other parks aside from Disney- my family will sometimes spend one day at Universal but I won't go. I can't ride many of the rides and Disney has far better non-ride attractions and theming.

So for us, it's Disney or no parks at all. Except National Parks, of course! We mostly like to go to different parts of the country or the world just to explore places we've never been. We've been to nearly all of the countries in the World Showcase (not China or Morocco) but we LOVE it- just to reminisce. :)
 
OP, you're not alone. We stayed onsite last year and felt the same way about many of the CM's at the resort. The just seemed disinterested. We have loved WDW for many, many years but are definitely slowing our visits. We feel the onsite dining experiences have changed the most quality wise. I think more and more people are weighing the cost with the service.
 
It's so wild how different people's experiences can be.

I know. For our Less than awesome stay it started almost immediately. Nothing horrific, just a few little stumbles. As the week progressed and those little experiences continued, we really began to notice them. Not enought to make a dent in a nice trip, but we noticed. And then "it" happened, and that interaction was enough to send me searching for a resort manager, who did intervene to make it right. But I think he just reacted to my complaints and not to the situation, because things got progressively worse, and then on our departure day I find my very quiet DD in a "discussion" with the concierge in the lobby, mad as a hornet. So mad she did not care if we missed DME and she had to pay for transportation to the airport. By the time we got home my DH was not willing to go back, and though he has sent all of us back multiple times, he has passed on the pleasure. This year will the first time since that trip in 2012 that he joins us, and he was thrilled we are not staying at the same resort. He called it a "dump." LOL!

I think that once things start to go South, it can be difficult to bring them back. For us, even though the parks were awesome, the food delicious, and the shows wonderful, we were even complaining about the weather. And that is not how we usually roll. We have been going regularly to WDW since DGD was 4, and this was the only time we were not happy, but when it happens, it is pretty difficult to erase the buyers remorse. Now I do understand that everyone pays for their trips, and the $1000 family deserves the same treatment as the 10,000 family, however when I deliberately spend a larger sum for a nicer experience, and it turns out to be a bust, I regret that extra money a lot more than if I spent less.
 
Does that mean because I didn't spend 10K on my trip that I don't have higher expectations? Does that mean because I didn't spent 10K on my trip that I shouldn't be allowed to be disappointed in this or that related to my trip?

Nope: this is not about entitlement at all. Everyone deserves to be treated equally. Everyone is allowed to get equally upset when things don't go well. It's not about being "allowed" to feel that way.

My post was about the psychology behind spending money that holds true for many people. I still believe that how much a person spends on their vacation does play a heavy influence in how most people will react when things go wrong.

But as I think about my post, I wasn't just talking about money - I'm really talking about opportunity cost. So if you fly in...with all the hassles that entails...if you're using precious vacation time that you won't get again for another year...if you're choosing WDW over a diff destination you considered, you still made a huge investment in that trip.

I am that latter person that spends less because I live within a 3 hr drive and just go for long weekends. So when things don't go well, I'm a little bummed, but not devastated. I shrug a lot off, because I didn't invest a whole lot of time or money.

But when I plan a trip cross country or internationally or an expensive cruise and sink a lot more money, time and vacation days into it, I'm much more nervous and anxious about the trip going well - and I know I'd feel a lot more disappointed if it didn't.
 

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