Las Vegas Shooting

[Hikergirl]

WTH I'm still seeing the story about his girlfriend using 2 SS#'s on Yahoo's homepage.

 

[longboard55]

why does a law have to be 100% effective, would 5 be better than 58. All that would have taken is the bump stock ban. This was not your he could find another way case. Concerts have security, a car or bomb would not have made it in. He needed legally modified guns bought legally

 

[nd5056]

WTH I'm still seeing the story about his girlfriend using 2 SS#'s on Yahoo's homepage.

I replaced Yahoo Home Page with BBC looong time ago...

 

[Hikergirl]

I replaced Yahoo Home Page with BBC looong time ago...

I use google as my home page but I have a yahoo email that I check every day.

 

[kmb584]

Odd? You apparently don't know women of a certain age.

Yes, just like my grandmother. She recently told the newspaper that she is 69. She'll be 84 a month from tomorrow.

 

[ELKA]

Honestly, it really doesn't make sense in regards to Americans being willing to put up with having their cars, property and person searched when they go anywhere. I understand that you apparently would be fine with it but I highly doubt it would be something most Americans would tolerate. Besides, security stops someone from entering a hotel with 30 guns, then what?
It seems to me that after 9/11 we learned from what happened and new rules, laws and security procedures were put in place. We didn't just say "oh well there's nothing you can do to stop someone from hiring people. If it's not a plane, they'll just use something else".
Why are you blaming Logan and Boston? That's a sick thing to do.

I guess that you are ok with drunk drivers on the road, children in the front seat without seat belts on, unregulated guns that people use to shoot people on trains, schools and concerts. All these rules came into being where it is against the law to drive drunk, have children in the front seat, not wearing your seatbelt, but the one thing that is very difficult to do is getting rid of guns. I remember when the seatbelt law started it was universally panned, but now even buses have seat belts. As for being searched, we already accept it when we go to the airport. We allow complete strangers to go through our bags that are checked to go onto planes, our carry ons that we take onto the planes, and go through a body scanner and or metal detector, and take off our shoes so that they can check that our shoes has nothing in them.

I'm not blaming Logan and Boston for the actions of the terrorists on 9/11, but it doesn't escape my attention that American 77 and United 165 both originated there and I know you come from MA. You put up a lot of arguments about rights, what Americans will put up with but the one thing you forget is that rights don't matter to terrorists, nuts and the dead. I am still alive and I want my family to be safe, if I have to be searched and everyone else has to be searched to keep my family alive, I will accept it. Maybe I won't be happy with it, as I said I want to live and have my family alive.

 

[bonjing]

Keep my nose out of this

 

[sam_gordon]

As for being searched, we already accept it when we go to the airport. We allow complete strangers to go through our bags that are checked to go onto planes, our carry ons that we take onto the planes, and go through a body scanner and or metal detector, and take off our shoes so that they can check that our shoes has nothing in them.

OK, just so we're clear, you are ok with being searched (bag and person) EVERY time you go to:
A grocery store
A mall
A post office
A restaurant
A hotel (whether for a stay or visit)
College building
A library

 

[ELKA]

OK, just so we're clear, you are ok with being searched (bag and person) EVERY time you go to:
A grocery store
A mall
A post office
A restaurant
A hotel (whether for a stay or visit)
College building
A library

Yeah, when I go to a Broadway show in NYC I am being searched. When I go to a courthouse I am being searched. If you have nothing to hide, why should it matter if your searched for safety reasons. Schools today have metal detectors so that children don't bring guns to school. Aren't adults safety is as important as children's?

 

[bcla]

OK, just so we're clear, you are ok with being searched (bag and person) EVERY time you go to:
A grocery store
A mall
A post office
A restaurant
A hotel (whether for a stay or visit)
College building
A library

It's only a matter of time before the technology for real time detection of metal objects becomes practical. I know some people have a philosophical disagreement with being searched somehow, but for most people it's about how practical it is to delay people going through some sort of screening. It's not as if I don't go through bag checks and metal detectors several times a year.

When I go to many of those places I'm subject to a bag search and sometimes even need to check in a bag. Stores and libraries have anti-theft equipment.

 

[IAHFTPT]

That full cavity search I had to submit to was a bit much just to see my doctor last time.

 

[bcla]

I guess that you are ok with drunk drivers on the road, children in the front seat without seat belts on, unregulated guns that people use to shoot people on trains, schools and concerts. All these rules came into being where it is against the law to drive drunk, have children in the front seat, not wearing your seatbelt, but the one thing that is very difficult to do is getting rid of guns. I remember when the seatbelt law started it was universally panned, but now even buses have seat belts. As for being searched, we already accept it when we go to the airport. We allow complete strangers to go through our bags that are checked to go onto planes, our carry ons that we take onto the planes, and go through a body scanner and or metal detector, and take off our shoes so that they can check that our shoes has nothing in them.

I'm not blaming Logan and Boston for the actions of the terrorists on 9/11, but it doesn't escape my attention that American 77 and United 165 both originated there and I know you come from MA. You put up a lot of arguments about rights, what Americans will put up with but the one thing you forget is that rights don't matter to terrorists, nuts and the dead. I am still alive and I want my family to be safe, if I have to be searched and everyone else has to be searched to keep my family alive, I will accept it. Maybe I won't be happy with it, as I said I want to live and have my family alive.

What happened there was that they brought on board items that were legal at the time. Back then a blade less than 4 inches long could be brought in the passenger cabin of a plane and box cutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. I remember once I had a pocket knife in plain sight and was told it was OK. I even remember some discussion of this in some comic book, where they detect metal on Wolverine (who of course is heavily metal) where the security says no blades longer then 4 inches, but he jams his arm into the X-ray machine to show that his metal is all internal and thus subject to medical exemptions as an implanted device.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

What happened there was that they brought on board items that were legal at the time. Back then a blade less than 4 inches long could be brought in the passenger cabin of a plane and box cutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. I remember once I had a pocket knife in plain sight and was told it was OK. I even remember some discussion of this in some comic book, where they detect metal on Wolverine (who of course is heavily metal) where the security says no blades longer then 4 inches, but he jams his arm into the X-ray machine to show that his metal is all internal and thus subject to medical exemptions as an implanted device.

I carried a pocket knife on flights for years. I was questioned about the size of the blade exactly one time. And even then was permitted to keep it on me.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

I carried a pocket knife on flights for years. I was questioned about the size of the blade exactly one time. And even then was permitted to keep it on me.

That's amazing. My husband has had to hand over at least 5 Swiss army knives to airport security because he cannot for the life of him remember that he's not allowed one or forgets he's carrying it. My poor father had to surrender his (again he forgot) on a China trip once. He was devastated because my brother had personally engraved it for him. Closest I've even seen my father cry. I wasn't about to argue with those guys though. He also forgot he had a water bottle in his carryon. It was quite the drama and left my old father shaking for the rest of the day.

 

[ELKA]

What happened there was that they brought on board items that were legal at the time. Back then a blade less than 4 inches long could be brought in the passenger cabin of a plane and box cutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. I remember once I had a pocket knife in plain sight and was told it was OK. I even remember some discussion of this in some comic book, where they detect metal on Wolverine (who of course is heavily metal) where the security says no blades longer then 4 inches, but he jams his arm into the X-ray machine to show that his metal is all internal and thus subject to medical exemptions as an implanted device.

That still doesn't take away the fact that we are searched today, and how different would it be if now we are searched going in and out of a hotel. I was on a plane and in order for the pilot and copilot to go to the bathroom, the flight attendants blocked the way to the bathrooms. Anything to keep people as safe as they can be is alright by me.

 

[mefordis]

I read that he was firing into the crowd for about 10 minutes, unloading about 20 volleys of bullets from hundreds of yards away. Does that seem right to anyone? That must have seemed to go on forever.

 

[longboard55]

I carried a pocket knife on flights for years. I was questioned about the size of the blade exactly one time. And even then was permitted to keep it on me.

I have seen Disney ding several people with pocket knives, and they will follow you to make sure you just jump to another line

 

[Pea-n-Me]

He also had cameras recording himself shooting. And in some of the pictures leaked there appeared to be a hand-written note on a table near where his body was laying.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Yes, just like my grandmother. She recently told the newspaper that she is 69. She'll be 84 a month from tomorrow.

 

[bcla]

That's amazing. My husband has had to hand over at least 5 Swiss army knives to airport security because he cannot for the life of him remember that he's not allowed one or forgets he's carrying it. My poor father had to surrender his (again he forgot) on a China trip once. He was devastated because my brother had personally engraved it for him. Closest I've even seen my father cry. I wasn't about to argue with those guys though. He also forgot he had a water bottle in his carryon. It was quite the drama and left my old father shaking for the rest of the day.

Once I got a gate pass (late) to help someone at the airport. They had already gone in but I decided late to join them and the counter agent remembered me. However, I forgot to leave my pocket knife in my car. So those full body scanners do work. It was kind of odd. I wasn't sure if I was in trouble, if it was going to be confiscated, or what. In the end they just handed it back to me and said I could return after I'd put it away. I didn't have enough time so I just waited for my wife to get back. What happened after that was actually kind of interesting though but I won't go into it though.

Still - that wasn't me actually going on a flight. I've managed to bring stuff inside that isn't allowed on a plane but also isn't specifically banned in the terminal - like a lighter. It was really weird too. The TSA screener said something about what would be possible with the stuff I had. I just had a Zippo lighter (just kind of a toy since I don't smoke) and chemical hand warmers. I was actually allowed to bring that into the terminal past security as long as I wasn't a passenger.