Georgia paddling video

You know, this *is* anecdotal on my part, but when I was a kid one of my father's coworkers' wives was having a conversation over coffee with my mother, which I overheard (this was in the early 1970's.) She was explaining to my mother than she still paddled her son, who was at that time 19 years old and a good foot taller than his mom. She said that she made him lean crossways over the bathtub so that she could reach!

The major urban legend at my grade school was that our principal had an electric paddling machine because he had a bad arm (which he did, but he actually was a switch-hit paddler.) The kids who were always in trouble put that story out to make themselves look tougher, and all of us goody-two-shoes believed it, because we had never been inside his office to see for ourselves.
 
Absolutely NOTHING adds up here.
I am just as disturbed by this mother as I am by the school system.

1. 5 year old children are not mandated to be in school (educated) So, the whole truancy thing is very very suspect. Don't believe it for one second.
2. Visits to doctors offices can be scheduled after school.
3. If there truly is a medical concern, then a 504 should be in place.
4. If children with conditions/disabilities are not to be paddled, then NO 5 year old should be paddled/hit, ever. because many disabilities are not fully recognized and diagnosed until well after 5 years of age. (Our school system absolutely refused to acknowledge that our son might have a neurological 'learning' disability and move forward with any evaluations, until WE took our son to specialists and got an excellent eval and diagnosis. By the time we got a pre-auth and got in for appointments, and then received the paperwork, he was almost 7 years of age. (yes, we could have demanded and eval, in writing, and forced the school system's hand... But, why would we want to trust THEM at that point.)
5. Judging by the video, and the post on social media sites, this mother is absolutely relishing putting her son thru this pain. I am going on the assumption that she signed the form to ALLOW the school to do this. IMHO, her fitness to parent and the custody of her children should be at stake here. NO question.

Schools are supposed to be mandated reporters of any type of abuse and/or unfit parenting.
They are only enabling it. WOW....

There are no right-or-wrongs on either side here.
ONLY WRONGS!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

PS: Many of you know that this is being posted by a parent who pulled her child out of a 'Hillbilly' , 'Southern', school system.
 
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There is something strange about this entire story. Kid misses 18 days of school. 19 days and the parent goes to court, or the child can be paddled. Um, what? How could 19 absences possibly be the fault of 5 year old?!? As others have said, if the child is sick, there should be doctors notes. The fact that spanking this district (or the state, whatever) allows spanking to be a valid punishment for truancy astounds me. A 5 year old should be getting put on the bus or walked to the school door. If they are out 19 days, that's the parents fault.

Meanwhile, educators are supposed to educate, not hand out corporal punishment. You think your child would be hit, you do it.
 
DLgal said:
Completely disgusting. All of it. The kid is FIVE. Geez, even if he missed 18 days of school, he's FIVE. In many states, Kindergarten isn't even mandatory. Why not just hold him back if he misses too many days and make him repeat Kindergarten?

This poor baby (and 5 is still a baby, IMO) is screaming for his mother to help him and those women are smiling and laughing at him. That makes my stomach turn. And when the mom says they don't spank him at home, the women seem surprised.

Georgia (and most of the rest of the south) really needs to move into 2016 and stop these ridiculous punishments. Gosh, if I was that mother, I would have taken my son right home and dared them to arrest me.
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It is disgusting. No one who would laugh at a child who is scared or in pain should EVER work around children.

And if someone tried to hit my child, there would be hell to pay.
 
FlightlessDuck said:
There is something strange about this entire story. Kid misses 18 days of school. 19 days and the parent goes to court, or the child can be paddled. Um, what? How could 19 absences possibly be the fault of 5 year old?!? As others have said, if the child is sick, there should be doctors notes. The fact that spanking this district (or the state, whatever) allows spanking to be a valid punishment for truancy astounds me. A 5 year old should be getting put on the bus or walked to the school door. If they are out 19 days, that's the parents fault.

Meanwhile, educators are supposed to educate, not hand out corporal punishment. You think your child would be hit, you do it.
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Again, the boy was not paddled for truancy. He was paddled for hitting another kids, running from the staff, and spitting on staff members. The mom was given the choice between the kid being paddled or suspended and she claims to have thought that if he was suspended she would go to jail for truancy.
 
Turn the Page said:
Again, the boy was not paddled for truancy. He was paddled for hitting another kids, running from the staff, and spitting on staff members. The mom was given the choice between the kid being paddled or suspended and she claims to have thought that if he was suspended she would go to jail for truancy.
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Oh, right. The paddling was instead of the suspension. I forgot about that.

Then that leads to the additional question: Why does suspension count towards truancy?
 
Wishing on a star said:
Absolutely NOTHING adds up here.
I am just as disturbed by this mother as I am by the school system.

1. 5 year old children are not mandated to be in school (educated) So, the whole truancy thing is very very suspect. Don't believe it for one second.
2. Visits to doctors offices can be scheduled after school.
3. If there truly is a medical concern, then a 504 should be in place.
4. If children with conditions/disabilities are not to be paddled, then NO 5 year old should be paddled/hit, ever. because many disabilities are not fully recognized and diagnosed until well after 5 years of age. (Our school system absolutely refused to acknowledge that our son might have a neurological 'learning' disability and move forward with any evaluations, until WE took our son to specialists and got an excellent eval and diagnosis. By the time we got a pre-auth and got in for appointments, and then received the paperwork, he was almost 7 years of age. (yes, we could have demanded and eval, in writing, and forced the school system's hand... But, why would we want to trust THEM at that point.)
5. Judging by the video, and the post on social media sites, this mother is absolutely relishing putting her son thru this pain. I am going on the assumption that she signed the form to ALLOW the school to do this. IMHO, her fitness to parent and the custody of her children should be at stake here. NO question.

Schools are supposed to be mandated reporters of any type of abuse and/or unfit parenting.
They are only enabling it. WOW....

There are no right-or-wrongs on either side here.
ONLY WRONGS!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

PS: Many of you know that this is being posted by a parent who pulled her child out of a 'Hillbilly' , 'Southern', school system.
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Just commenting on your argument number 2 above. If you're taking a child to a pediatrician it is not always easy to get an appointment for after school, since many many other people want the same thing. And with a five year old I honestly wouldn't worry personally too much about him missing school if he needed to go to a doctor. My DD had a doctor two hours away and it was a struggle to get an afterschool appointment in the first place, and in the second place we needed to give ourselves enough time to get there, wait to be seen, be seen by a nurse, then a resident, and then the doctor and the resident. And then go for blood tests in a hospital lab that closed at a certain time. Yes, this was our situation and not the situation of those involved in this video. I'm just pointing out the vagueness and erroneous nature of a blanket statement that visits to a doctor can just be made for after school.
 
I was pointing out the obvious... Sorry, there was no 'argument' whatsoever. But, hey... whatever.
And, how many times does a normal healthy child need to visit a pediatrician. I don't know, but I am guessing the annual check-up and well-vist to monitor over-all health and development is what is recommended. So, the obvious fact... which I stated... and will simply not argue... pasted here directly from my post... 2. Visits to doctors offices can be scheduled after school. I will add that these annual well visits can also be scheduled when school is on break.

The whole purpose of walk-in clinics is for those times when the usual bugs strike, and one cannot get into the regular doctor.
I will also add that any child that has a fever or possible serious communicable illness would not even be allowed to be in school.
(At least, that is usually the policy.. If it isn't the policy at this school, then it def. should be.)

If any child has to be under medical care and needs to see doctors more often, then they should be placed on a 504.
That is the purpose of 504 plans.

Again, there is NOTHING that adds up here in the whole story.
And, it seems the mother's side of the story is all we have.
 
Wishing on a star said:
I was pointing out the obvious... Sorry, there was no 'argument' whatsoever. But, hey... whatever.
And, how many times does a normal healthy child need to visit a pediatrician. I don't know, but I am guessing the annual check-up and well-vist to monitor over-all health and development is what is recommended. So, the obvious fact... which I stated... and will simply not argue... pasted here directly from my post... 2. Visits to doctors offices can be scheduled after school. I will add that these annual well visits can also be scheduled when school is on break.

The whole purpose of walk-in clinics is for those times when the usual bugs strike, and one cannot get into the regular doctor.
I will also add that any child that has a fever or possible serious communicable illness would not even be allowed to be in school.
(At least, that is usually the policy.. If it isn't the policy at this school, then it def. should be.)

If any child has to be under medical care and needs to see doctors more often, then they should be placed on a 504.
That is the purpose of 504 plans.

Again, there is NOTHING that adds up here in the whole story.
And, it seems the mother's side of the story is all we have.
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Maybe the child isn't a "normal healthy child." My D has visited her doctor at least 25 times this school year. I try very, very hard to schedule them for after school (no appointments are offered before school as they start school pretty early). Gee whiz, it seems as if every single patient has the same idea. Her doctor has two appointment times that begin at a time which would allow my D to be present for an entire day. We are fortunate enough maybe 1 in 5 times to get her one of those appointments, meaning she has missed many partial days of school (at least 20 this year so far). I do rotate which classes she misses by being creative with my scheduling (so she isn't missing the same class over and over again).

There simply are not that many appointments available after school for ANY physician, and every single parent is trying to get them. Kids WILL miss school to see doctors, and I do not believe those absences should count against the child for "truancy" purposes. I have NEVER been asked to provide a doctor's note or any other "evidence" that my D is actually at the doctors. I call in, and that's it. No mess. No fuss. She does not have a 504 plan. Doesn't need one. She is a solid student and does well in her classes.
 
Liberty Belle said:
Are you serious? Please don't be serious.
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Absolutely. Are we really to the point that when a 3 year old chomps down on your forearm we can't give him a quick flick to the forehead? No pain, no scars, no trauma but gives them enough of a startle to realize that they need to stop what's causing them to get flicked in the forehead. We're talking about the back of the upper 1/3 of a single finger, not a slap to the face.

If that is over the line, it's no wonder we have a generation entering the marketplace that is completely unable to perform basic work functions without constant praise and has no idea how to cope with any criticism at all except to just completely shut down and curl up into the fetal position.
 
Wishing on a star said:
I was pointing out the obvious... Sorry, there was no 'argument' whatsoever. But, hey... whatever.
And, how many times does a normal healthy child need to visit a pediatrician. I don't know, but I am guessing the annual check-up and well-vist to monitor over-all health and development is what is recommended. So, the obvious fact... which I stated... and will simply not argue... pasted here directly from my post... 2. Visits to doctors offices can be scheduled after school. I will add that these annual well visits can also be scheduled when school is on break.

The whole purpose of walk-in clinics is for those times when the usual bugs strike, and one cannot get into the regular doctor.
I will also add that any child that has a fever or possible serious communicable illness would not even be allowed to be in school.
(At least, that is usually the policy.. If it isn't the policy at this school, then it def. should be.)

If any child has to be under medical care and needs to see doctors more often, then they should be placed on a 504.
That is the purpose of 504 plans.

Again, there is NOTHING that adds up here in the whole story.
And, it seems the mother's side of the story is all we have.
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Actually, you weren't "pointing out the obvious." You were stating an opinion as fact and it is not fact. You can't just get an appointment for after school. It doesn't always work that way.

You're misinterpreting my use of the word "argument." I wasn't saying that you were fighting. You're presenting your list of reasons, aka arguments, for your side of the story. When lawyers present arguments in court, they're not fighting...they're presenting their side of the story. But hey, whatever.

If my child is sick, I am going to take him or her to his or her doctor, not a walk-in clinic. It is not "the whole purpose" of walkin clinics for me to take my child there instead of his own doctor because his doctor says to come in at 10 AM but that I can instead take my kid to some random clinic at 2:30 after school lets out. The only times we used a walkin clinic was as a step down from an emergency room, such as in the case of a sports or other injury not requiring an ER, because then the equipment necessary, X-Ray machines, etc, are right there. If the usual bug strikes and my child needs to be seen by a doctor, I will take my child to his or her doctor at the time that is available, which just might be during school hours.

Everybody wanted their child's doctor's appointment to be during the summer, especially if they played sports. And amazingly enough, those appointments were limited because they had to keep time open for those pesky sick kids who needed to be seen.
mnrose said:
Maybe the child isn't a "normal healthy child." My D has visited her doctor at least 25 times this school year. I try very, very hard to schedule them for after school (no appointments are offered before school as they start school pretty early). Gee whiz, it seems as if every single patient has the same idea. Her doctor has two appointment times that begin at a time which would allow my D to be present for an entire day. We are fortunate enough maybe 1 in 5 times to get her one of those appointments, meaning she has missed many partial days of school (at least 20 this year so far). I do rotate which classes she misses by being creative with my scheduling (so she isn't missing the same class over and over again).

There simply are not that many appointments available after school for ANY physician, and every single parent is trying to get them. Kids WILL miss school to see doctors, and I do not believe those absences should count against the child for "truancy" purposes. I have NEVER been asked to provide a doctor's note or any other "evidence" that my D is actually at the doctors. I call in, and that's it. No mess. No fuss. She does not have a 504 plan. Doesn't need one. She is a solid student and does well in her classes.
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Same here. :thumbsup2
 
CPanther95 said:
Absolutely. Are we really to the point that when a 3 year old chomps down on your forearm we can't give him a quick flick to the forehead? No pain, no scars, no trauma but gives them enough of a startle to realize that they need to stop what's causing them to get flicked in the forehead. We're talking about the back of the upper 1/3 of a single finger, not a slap to the face.

If that is over the line, it's no wonder we have a generation entering the marketplace that is completely unable to perform basic work functions without constant praise and has no idea how to cope with any criticism at all except to just completely shut down and curl up into the fetal position.
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Seems to me that would just show the child to be afraid of the parent and that bigger people can hit littler people.

I don't see a correlation between not hitting your child in the head and young workers needing constant praise and no criticism. My son, an EMT and a nursing student was not hit as a child. He's always received high marks on all work reviews. In fact, his first boss said he was the hardest worker he's ever seen.

It always seems like spankers/smackers/poppers/hitters think that you either physically discipline your child or you just let them do whatever they want. There are a multitude of very efficient discipline methods that do not include physically hitting/spanking/etc your child.
 
Liberty Belle said:
Wait, what? Kentucky is fifth? I think that list must be flawed.
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I saw that and thought the same thing. I didn't click on the link to read the article but does it say anything about what criteria were used to rank the schools?

FlightlessDuck said:
Oh, right. The paddling was instead of the suspension. I forgot about that.

Then that leads to the additional question: Why does suspension count towards truancy?
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It didn't. The mom claimed she was told it would but it was discovered later that a suspension would not count toward truancy. Basically, the mom is making it up as she goes along.
 
CPanther95 said:
Absolutely. Are we really to the point that when a 3 year old chomps down on your forearm we can't give him a quick flick to the forehead? No pain, no scars, no trauma but gives them enough of a startle to realize that they need to stop what's causing them to get flicked in the forehead. We're talking about the back of the upper 1/3 of a single finger, not a slap to the face.

If that is over the line, it's no wonder we have a generation entering the marketplace that is completely unable to perform basic work functions without constant praise and has no idea how to cope with any criticism at all except to just completely shut down and curl up into the fetal position.
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Well, there you go...here it is, all spelled out. You either give a thumbs up to the awesome cure-all of flicking your kid in the head OR you're contributing to this mass chaos of badly behaved adults, cowering in the fetal position.

Maybe it's the parents who believe you need to flick your kid in the head, paddle your kid, or other physical punishment, who just don't know how to A) establish an environment of commanding and expecting respect, B) prevent the behavior in the first place or C) use another form of getting their attention. I understood a wagging finger, a stern voice, and/or "the look", as did my children. And it wasn't about instilling fear, it was about instilling an understanding of my role as their parent, as well as the positive results of good behavior. My kids did not want to disappoint us and they did not want to disappoint themselves.
 
CPanther95 said:
Absolutely. Are we really to the point that when a 3 year old chomps down on your forearm we can't give him a quick flick to the forehead? No pain, no scars, no trauma but gives them enough of a startle to realize that they need to stop what's causing them to get flicked in the forehead. We're talking about the back of the upper 1/3 of a single finger, not a slap to the face.

If that is over the line, it's no wonder we have a generation entering the marketplace that is completely unable to perform basic work functions without constant praise and has no idea how to cope with any criticism at all except to just completely shut down and curl up into the fetal position.
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Why on earth would you do that to a child when "no" would work just as well and actually clearly teach them it was not acceptable?
Yes, we are at the point where you don't flick your kid. It's a good place to be.
 
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