Any Reformed FP- Uber Users Who Have Embraced FP+ ?

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Laketravis stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that his advice would be to avoid the long kiosk lines and if no one was in a kiosk line don't bother because there's likely no good FPs left.

I know you're paraphrasing, but that wasn't my statement at all.

In Post #691, I said ""Don't waste your time with an FP+ kiosk if there is a line. Because if there is a line, there probably isn't anything decent left. And honestly, if there isn't a line at the kiosk, the SB line for what you want may not be very long at all".
 
My bad, I missed all the hoopla - apparently you were falsely accused - I'm glad that's all cleared up and I apologize for my sarcasm.

For the record, I wasn't trying to pile on to that specific incident, just snarkily explaining why I occasionally paraphrase.

It's all good.
 
I do think this is fair. To also be fair, some of the biggest advocates for FP+ advocate it because of its impact during the busier times of the year. They rarely qualify their comments and view points as such. Quite often the conversation around FP+ just assumes medium to high crowds, as if that's the only time people go. So I am not surprised if someone who doesn't particularly like FP+ also speaks about it as if it were a fairly busy time of year, and generalizes as such. I mean how many times have I read: FP+ is great because I was able to go to the parks in the afternoon (or evening) and have my 3 FPs, no WAY was that possible in FP- FP+ is great because at least I know I am getting on 3 rides, no way was that true under FP- unless we were there at the crack of dawn. FP+ is great because I can have 3 rides for the afternoon, use RD, and get way more done than we could have under FP-. Etc etc.... But none of that is true in the lower crowd levels. When we tour, we were able to pull FPs all day, for all the biggest attractions, even TSMM sometimes !!!! like, in the afternoon even ! FP+ does have its advantages, I can see them, but the mostly apply when crowds are higher, IMO. On lower crowd days, over all, I can't see how FP+ is better than FP-. It might suit your touring style, but if you maximized either system, I would wager you would get more done (if that is your goal) under FP-.

I can see that. I'm sure I could have utilized FP- better. I'm not sure, if there was a way to directly compare on the same low crowd day, and two people were competing to see who could accomplish more rides (especially repeats) that FP+ would win. Unfortunately there's no way to know.

What I do know is that it really works for my touring style. It seems to work for others as well. Some love it, some hate it, some dislike it, some are just wary of it, and some are indifferent. Have I covered everyone? :) :)
 
FP+ does have its advantages, I can see them, but the mostly apply when crowds are higher, IMO.

I think that's true as well, and I've often wondered why does FP have to be a static program ALL of the time?

Is tiering really necessary on a "4" day? Is FP even necessary on a "2" day?

They know at any minute exactly how many people are in the park, and this entire system is software based and could be as fluid and adaptable as anyone could ever want it to be.

They've always adjusted several parameters in response to park loading like ride capacity (running one side or both, one train or multiple, etc). Why not FP?

Just thinkin'...............................
 
I know you're paraphrasing, but that wasn't my statement at all. In Post #691, I said ""Don't waste your time with an FP+ kiosk if there is a line. Because if there is a line, there probably isn't anything decent left. And honestly, if there isn't a line at the kiosk, the SB line for what you want may not be very long at all".

Well my bad again! I mixed up the statements. Honestly it's a pain to post from my phone but I really should go back and make sure I have a clear memory of posts that I'm referencing!
 
Well my bad again! I mixed up the statements. Honestly it's a pain to post from my phone but I really should go back and make sure I have a clear memory of posts that I'm referencing!

How are you able to bring DIS up on your phone? I tried downloading the app and it didn't work - and trying to access it using just a browser on my Galaxy 4 didn't work very well either, it wasn't responsive to button presses like next page and Reply. Really bummed me out because I wanted to post some live stuff while in the parks and couldn't.
 
How are you able to bring DIS up on your phone? I tried downloading the app and it didn't work - and trying to access it using just a browser on my Galaxy 4 didn't work very well either, it wasn't responsive to button presses like next page and Reply. Really bummed me out because I wanted to post some live stuff while in the parks and couldn't.

I had/have the same problems on my Galaxy s2 and my Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, but on my Galaxy S5, using Chrome instead of the default browser, no problems.
 
How are you able to bring DIS up on your phone? I tried downloading the app and it didn't work - and trying to access it using just a browser on my Galaxy 4 didn't work very well either, it wasn't responsive to button presses like next page and Reply. Really bummed me out because I wanted to post some live stuff while in the parks and couldn't.

Ever since the android app stopped functioning all together, I've been using my browser (Chrome) and it works. It's slow, and I despise trying to post from it but it works for reading.
 
I think that's true as well, and I've often wondered why does FP have to be a static program ALL of the time?

Is tiering really necessary on a "4" day? Is FP even necessary on a "2" day?

They know at any minute exactly how many people are in the park, and this entire system is software based and could be as fluid and adaptable as anyone could ever want it to be.

They've always adjusted several parameters in response to park loading like ride capacity (running one side or both, one train or multiple, etc). Why not FP?

Just thinkin'...............................

These are good thoughts. We know for instance they really tweaked the FP pool this holiday season by dumping more FPs into it as the time approached.

Wondering why they can't eliminate tiers for lower crowd days.

In fact given that we have seen at least 2 periods of "glitches" in 2014, where Epcot Tiers weren't in place, I was kind of wondering if WDW was allowing these glitches to remain for a little bit so people like us, clamoring for info, the super users with more inside information, could use that window of glitch book without tiers, and then they close the glitch and everyone else books with tiers ...

I don't think that's the case, but I wouldn't put that one past WDW either.
 
I think that's true as well, and I've often wondered why does FP have to be a static program ALL of the time?

Is tiering really necessary on a "4" day? Is FP even necessary on a "2" day?

They know at any minute exactly how many people are in the park, and this entire system is software based and could be as fluid and adaptable as anyone could ever want it to be.

They've always adjusted several parameters in response to park loading like ride capacity (running one side or both, one train or multiple, etc). Why not FP?

Just thinkin'...............................

I don't think FP+ is necessary on a crowd level 2, but Disney wants everyone to make reservations, so I don't think it would be practical to turn it off and on.
I also wonder how much they're manipulating FP+ distribution at slower times. I remember seeing posts for people visiting in Oct and Nov and there weren't that many FP+ reservations available.
 
The fact that some people feel they need to extend their days, to get the same amount out of a trip, is precisely why some people think the system is bad ... so yes, it can be that bad.


But you have no problem with Fuzzy's comments above right ?

That you (meaning everyone) absolutely CAN get tons of stuff done, and have a great time, etc etc.

No consideration for families that can't tour all day, or can only go during absolute peak times, or have difficulty early rising, or have very limited numbers of days to travel or limited amounts of time in the parks, etc etc.

It appears you only have problems if people make a comment negatively about the system that you perceive as a generalization. I don't think I have ever seen you nit pick someone who posted something positive about WDW or the FP+ system.... maybe I missed it, that's entirely possible. I certainly don't read all your posts, but I sure have read a pretty solid sample. Not a single comment I can remember of you doing the same to someone with a positive review ... interesting that.

I do think this is fair.

To also be fair, some of the biggest advocates for FP+ advocate it because of its impact during the busier times of the year. They rarely qualify their comments and view points as such. Quite often the conversation around FP+ just assumes medium to high crowds, as if that's the only time people go.
So I am not surprised if someone who doesn't particularly like FP+ also speaks about it as if it were a fairly busy time of year, and generalizes as such.

I mean how many times have I read:

FP+ is great because I was able to go to the parks in the afternoon (or evening) and have my 3 FPs, no WAY was that possible in FP-

FP+ is great because at least I know I am getting on 3 rides, no way was that true under FP- unless we were there at the crack of dawn.

FP+ is great because I can have 3 rides for the afternoon, use RD, and get way more done than we could have under FP-.


Etc etc....

But none of that is true in the lower crowd levels. When we tour, we were able to pull FPs all day, for all the biggest attractions, even TSMM sometimes !!!! like, in the afternoon even !

FP+ does have its advantages, I can see them, but the mostly apply when crowds are higher, IMO.

On lower crowd days, over all, I can't see how FP+ is better than FP-. It might suit your touring style, but if you maximized either system, I would wager you would get more done (if that is your goal) under FP-.

Kind of all over the map there. :confused3

My response was:

Sorry to sneak in here-but I have posted also at nauseum how much better FP+ was for us absolute peak time and not arriving early in the day. FP- would have been long gone and 100 minute waits.
 
Furthermore, if they want to eliminate FP+ slow weeks I'm fine with that, but I am more surprised they don't just add more FP+ per day those weeks.
 
I think that's true as well, and I've often wondered why does FP have to be a static program ALL of the time?

Is tiering really necessary on a "4" day? Is FP even necessary on a "2" day?

They know at any minute exactly how many people are in the park, and this entire system is software based and could be as fluid and adaptable as anyone could ever want it to be.

They've always adjusted several parameters in response to park loading like ride capacity (running one side or both, one train or multiple, etc). Why not FP?

Just thinkin'...............................

Would you be concerned that making changes to the parameters of the FP system on a daily basis based on crowds would result in more confusion than help for guests?

What was your experience with FP+ on low crowd days? According to Touring Plans, the last part of your trip (Decemeber 1-5) had days with resort wide crowd levels that they rated from 1 to 3.
 
Would you be concerned that making changes to the parameters of the FP system on a daily basis based on crowds would result in more confusion than help for guests?

What was your experience with FP+ on low crowd days? According to Touring Plans, the last part of your trip (Decemeber 1-5) had days with resort wide crowd levels that they rated from 1 to 3.

Wow, TP was WAY off - EasyWDW had those days at 4's and a 5 and I don't think that was accurate either. Didn't the SB times you pulled for Spaceship Earth peak at 45 minutes on one of those days? The previous week was 6 to 9's per EasyWDW and while slightly better I don't think the wait times were sufficiently different between the two weeks to reflect such a disparity in crowd levels.

But anyway, I think the pre-visit reservations could still stick, but the app could make adjustments real-time during the day. I don't think it would be any more confusing if someone opened up the app after using their initial three and found that they could make three more with no tiers (due to current crowd conditions). When the park is crowded, it's back to regular speed bumps (kiosks and tiering) to help damper distribution.

I'm thinking it in the same sense as toll roads that have rates which adjust based on demand, or like Uber's demand based pricing. Except in this case, low demand for FP's (as reflected by lower crowd levels) would result in a loosening of the restrictions. If SB wait times begin to rise again to unacceptable thresholds, metering kicks in. To the user, it's pretty much transparent because the only thing they see is either more availability or less, much like the case now.

Just brainstorming because I don't see a need for a system designed for worst case to be applied in full force during best case.
 
We are looking at going dec 11-19th now.

I personally think that of all the periods in December to go, those dates are in my top two picks. My first preference would be to start a little earlier, like the 7th. While that is during Pop Warner, it's also the lightest week of the month. And Pop Warner doesn't have much impact on the parks during the early parts of their competitions but as teams are eliminated they begin to show up in the parks.

But arriving on the 11th you will most likely be catching the tail end of Pop Warner - they'll be starting to head out as you arrive.

With Thanksgiving later in November the past few years and this year as well, we've been finding that crowds are higher the following week, the first week of December.

The holiday folks start kicking into gear the weekend before Christmas but that's when you'll be heading out.

I predict the sweet spot to be the 7th to the 18th this year. Now if they roll out Free Dining during that time, all bets are off :)
 
Wow, TP was WAY off - EasyWDW had those days at 4's and a 5 and I think don't think that was accurate either. Didn't the SB times you pulled for Spaceship Earth peak at 45 minutes on one of those days? The previous week was 6 to 9's per EasyWDW and I don't think the wait times were sufficiently different to reflect such a disparity in crowd levels. But anyway, I think the pre-visit reservations could still stick, but the app could make adjustments real-time during the day. I don't think it would be any more confusing if someone opened up the app after using their initial three and found that they could make three more with no tiers (due to current crowd conditions). When the park is crowded, it's back to regular speed bumps (kiosks and tiering) to help damper distribution. I'm thinking it in the same sense as toll roads that have rates which adjust based on demand, or like Uber's demand based pricing. Except in this case, low demand for FP's (as reflected by lower crowd levels) would result in a loosening of the restrictions. If SB wait times begin to rise again to unacceptable thresholds, metering kicks in. To the user, it's pretty much transparent because the only thing they see is either more availability or less, much like the case now. Just brainstorming because I don't see a need for a system designed for worst case to be applied in full force during best case.

Sounds awesome to me, though it could throw some diehard planners off their games. It'd certainly increase the appeal of traveling during "slow" seasons. (September, come for Free Dining and Tier-Free Touring!)
 
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