Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[KellyNY]

Wow. Opening the thread this morning is like stepping into a time machine.

Thank you, vacationclub, for bringing us back into your neverending circular argument. Just remember: Repetition doesn't make you right. And snide comments don't prove your point.

You know what you say works both ways, right?

 

[nytimez]

What in the world are you talking about?

So are you suggesting that you ain't got it -- or that you just never had it? It's gotta be one or the other, right?

 

[vacationclub]

So are you suggesting that you ain't got it -- or that you just never had it? It's gotta be one or the other, right?

Are you OK? Ain't got, or never had.....what?

If you're going to inject yourself here, with nothing to add or comment on about FP, etc, at least explain what you're talking about with your personal attack.

 

[nytimez]

Are you OK? Ain't got, or never had.....what?

OK, now you're just being silly.

 

[KellyNY]

I'm guessing, you don't own a business and/or you work in customer service? Some can't grasp the fact, Disney ALLOWED late passes..even encouraged it, so I don't see that as BREAKING a rule. Disney doesn't want their guests to go elsewhere, they want them to spend more $$$$ and time in their Parks. (pssst...XPass)

But they don't let you now, do they? It is prooven that many people can play by rules, so why you are so special that you cannot do it?
As a matter of fact I used to do RE and I worked stricktly on commisions. Do you know how many times I was refusing to work with clients because they were unreasonable, because they did not show for appointments, and when I called did not even pick up the phone then 2 hours later called me telling now they available and expected me to bend out of shape because they are custommers. We were crossing such "custommers" off the list right away. Cannot play by rules, go and BS someone else and believe it or not others were crossing them off the list pretty fast as well.

 

[mesaboy2]

Oh no, it is not about superiority, it is about being finally vendicated. You know, we were sucrifising chickens and finally gods heard us...

Except that your "vendication" is based on the erroneous conclusion that coming back later impacted anybody else by more than a few seconds. That Disney allowed and even advertised the acceptability for so long suggests that late FP use didn't impact anyone else by much. That they are doing so now suggests that something else is coming down the road, i.e. Xpass.

All this debating's gotten me thirsty. I think I'll go get a soda now from a vinding machine.

 

[magicbob]

But what you describe doesn't apply to people purposely pulling a fastpass just to put into a scrapbook. I think that's what the original comment was getting at. FPs are even more valuable now that the insiders can't use in the same way anymore, so they are even less likely to be pulled just of the purpose of scrap booking them. Sure, there are FPs in scrapbooks now....many from the insiders that have some to spare.

Oh, I see what you're saying. It hadn't occured to me that someone would pull a FP and never intend to use it at all.

I still think it's more likely that FP will go in scrapbook because of holding to time window, though. You state that the "insiders" have FPs to spare. That defies logic a bit. Since the "insiders" knew the FP could still be used, they are more likely to use them rather than take them home. It is the person who thought the FP was no longer valid who is more likely to just keep it as a souvenir. If they knew it was still valid, they would be more likely to use it (except for the morally superior FP police, of course). Also, whether the guest intends to use the FP "on time" or later, that shouldn't affect their decision to get a FP JUST to keep as a souvenir because doing so still incurs the mandatory wait time before you can get another FP.

 

[vacationclub]

But they don't let you now, do they? It is prooven that many people can play by rules, so why you are so special that you cannot do it?
As a matter of fact I used to do RE and I worked stricktly on commisions. Do you know how many times I was refusing to work with clients because they were unreasonable, because they did not show for appointments, and when I called did not even pick up the phone then 2 hours later called me telling now they available and expected me to bend out of shape because they are custommers. We were crossing such "custommers" off the list right away. Cannot play by rules, go and BS someone else and believe it or not others were crossing them off the list pretty fast as well.

I've had to pretend to be unavailable for "problem" customers and refer them to my competition.

 

[vacationclub]

Oh, I see what you're saying. It hadn't occured to me that someone would pull a FP and never intend to use it at all.

I still think it's more likely that FP will go in scrapbook because of holding to time window, though. You state that the "insiders" have FPs to spare. That defies logic a bit. Since the "insiders" knew the FP could still be used, they are more likely to use them rather than take them home. It is the person who thought the FP was no longer valid who is more likely to just kepe it as a souvenir. If they knew it was still valid, they would be more likely to use it (except for the morally superior FP police, of course).

The non-insiders, not purposely holding the pass for a much later, undetermined time, know that they must use it during the required time. This applies to most users. I think they are less likely to waste their opportunity than those who have FP's to spare because they horded them early in the day and will figure out later when they might use it.

I hear what you're saying too. But you're kind of assuming that there are all these people who get a fast pass with the return time printed (as that's the only method they know) but somehow deciding not to use that precious ticket or book some other event instead. I've never known of the extended use opportunity, and have never missed a FP return. I got the thing, I want to ride the ride, so I go back when it's time.

 

[fflmaster]

I know the soon to be x-pass will allow for a price to reserve certain fast passes, but I wonder why disney has never thought of putting in machines that would allow users to walk up to fast pass and select a time.

You could walk up to toy story and pick say a time window of 8-9 pm. Once the 8-9pm is used up it would not be available to anyone else.

This would solve both issues of having adr or a parade/fireworks scheduling problem for most of us.

This would seem like the obvious choice for disney.

 

[nytimez]

I've had to pretend to be unavailable for "problem" customers and refer them to my competition.

How would you rate you skills at "pretend" on a scale of 1 to 10?

 

[WillAustin]

I know the soon to be x-pass will allow for a price to reserve certain fast passes, but I wonder why disney has never thought of putting in machines that would allow users to walk up to fast pass and select a time.

You could walk up to toy story and pick say a time window of 8-9 pm. Once the 8-9pm is used up it would not be available to anyone else.

If people had to do anything that required making a choice, the FP machine lines would slow down by a factor of ten. It's already slow enough at rope drop for the headliners when people have enough trouble just putting a ticket into a slot.

 

[TLSnell1981]

New Flash: you may be expecting too much.

How about going at another time of year?

Entitlement. A national epidemic.

A sit down meal and ability to experience, maybe 3-4 attractions a day is expecting too much? Disney sure doesn't mind, making me wait 45 minutes past my "reserved" dining time. But, I expect too much because I want to use my FP and not wait 2 hours in standby?

We've vacationed with Disney for 30+ years..2-3 times a year, over the last 12+ years. Unfortunately, we don't have much choice in the time of year. We bring our DK, DGK and DMiL..school, work, etc. dictates our schedules....

We have a large brood and handicapped family members...it slows us down. We can't race for FPs... Guess, we're just "out of luck"?

Entitlement? I'm not asking for a handout. I am a PAYING customer.

 

[magicbob]

Oh no, it is not about superiority, it is about being finally vendicated. You know, we were sucrifising chickens and finally gods heard us...

There ARE, in fact, some on these boards who feel vindicated by this change (and then there are those who, based on their posts, obviously feel that way, but deny it) because, in their minds, it proves that they were correct for all these years in looking down on those who used FPs late as "rule breakers." Disney finally recognized that something had to be done about these scofflaws and now Disney has finally acted and put us in our place, thus affirming the moral superiority of those who refused to use a FP outside of the times printed on it.

 

[nytimez]

A sit down meal and ability to experience, maybe 3-4 attractions a day is expecting too much? Disney sure doesn't mind, making me wait 45 minutes past my "reserved" dining time. But, I expect too much because I want to use my FP and not wait 2 hours in standby?

We've vacationed with Disney for 30+ years..2-3 times a year, over the last 12+ years. Unfortunately, we don't have much choice in the time of year. We bring our DK, DGK and DMiL..school, work, etc. dictates our schedules....

We have a large brood and handicapped family members...it slows us down. We can't race for FPs... Guess, we're just "out of luck"?

Try sucrifising chickens, and eventually you'll be vendicated.

 

[vacationclub]

I know the soon to be x-pass will allow for a price to reserve certain fast passes, but I wonder why disney has never thought of putting in machines that would allow users to walk up to fast pass and select a time.

You could walk up to toy story and pick say a time window of 8-9 pm. Once the 8-9pm is used up it would not be available to anyone else.

This would solve both issues of having adr or a parade/fireworks scheduling problem for most of us.

This would seem like the obvious choice for disney.

This has been brought up before. I think the main reason is simply the cost and research to implement it (all new machines, etc) and maintain a database for it, etc.

They would also have to deal with a longer time each person is at the kiosk due to interacting with the screen, deciding, etc...as opposed to the quick method of just getting a ticket in a few seconds and walking away.

 

[WillAustin]

There ARE, in fact, some on these boards who feel vindicated by this change (and then there are those who, based on their posts, obviously feel that way, but deny it) because, in their minds, it proves that they were correct for all these years in looking down on those who used FPs late as "rule breakers." Disney finally recognized that something had to be done about these scofflaws and now Disney has finally acted and put us in our place, thus affirming the moral superiority of those who refused to use a FP outside of the times printed on it.

Most definitely misguided.

 

[fflmaster]

I am sure this has been mentioned before, but how many FP will be pulled and just not used after the new rule?

I have to think alot of people (myself included) will pull FP with the intent to use, but can't get back to the ride in time and just say well will have to get another one if available latter.

The stand by line may actually move quicker because of this.

 

[larryz]

Oh no, it is not about superiority, it is about being finally vendicated.

"...Love those old Vendicate chants..."

 

[origin62]

I know the soon to be x-pass will allow for a price to reserve certain fast passes, but I wonder why disney has never thought of putting in machines that would allow users to walk up to fast pass and select a time.

You could walk up to toy story and pick say a time window of 8-9 pm. Once the 8-9pm is used up it would not be available to anyone else.

This would solve both issues of having adr or a parade/fireworks scheduling problem for most of us.

This would seem like the obvious choice for disney.

I love this idea. I hope something like it is in works. How cool would touch-screen FP kiosks be?