Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[GraceLuvsWDW]

I do not know your situation exactly but can you make your ADRs later in the day. This way you can still do RD, ride whatever has short lines, get FP, they should still be for early times, except TSM, which technically you can just ride at RD. You will be able to ride and use your FP before midday break and when you return in the afternoon you will have your ADR and see if you can do anything else besides fireworks and parades. Depending on when you go FPs can still be available in later hours, we do it all the time(traveling May, August, September and sometimes July, July is the worst). You can also do EMH, if your situation permits, lines are much shorter getting even shorter every minute as people leave the park. Also consider GAC, maybe now that they are more strict with FP, they will be easier on GAC holders.

We do usually get a GAC, but we are travelling with another party on this trip so splitting up is not preferable.

We are also staying offsite so are not eligible for EMH.

We take a break around 2pm each day and may or may not return to parks in pm depending on dd's state. If we do return it is for a brief period. Usually, pm ADR's are harder to make for us due to possibility of stamina issues.

I realize we are a special situation, we will just have to go with a CS each day. It is not the end of the world-just a bit of a different trip for us than usual. I am absolutely positive that with this new no late FP policy we will ride less rides than usual.

We may be able to shuffle FPs depending on less riders than park tickets, but I am still trying to brainstorm on that idea.

 

[larryz]

Is it March 7th yet?

 

[magicbob]

That's possible now, inf fact more likely now. Enforcement doesn't create that scenario, it minimizes it.

I think the opposite will be true. Under current practice (notice I didn't use that OTHER "P" word), if I miss my window, I can still use the FP. Under the upcoming procedures (there's another "P" word), if I miss my window, then the FP is void and I will end up tossing it or keeping it as a souvenir. Either way, I will pull the FP and attempt to use it, but the odds of being able to successfully "complete the transaction" will decrease significantly once the FP can no longer be used later than the printed time window.

 

[vacationclub]

Hmmmm. I see FP being pasted into people's scrapbooks instead of being used. And STILL no FP available in the PM.

That's possible now, inf fact more likely now. Enforcement doesn't create that scenario, it minimizes it.

Or sold on eBay.

Also possible now...but they have no value there. I don't see many getting pulled and unused just for that trivial purpose.

And in both above scenarios......I see shorter lines. A good thing, yes?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Take it or leave and return later, how difficult it is? I did it many times, FP machines are not in a middle of nowhere, time on FP change pretty fast, so you can choose right time with no problems at all. If you want to reduce your experience, your business, your loss, but do not think that Disney will be affected at all, I will take your spot in TS place. So while some may decide to be stubborn, reduce their own experience and eat CS meals, many will finally get a chance to eat TS meal instead of CS.

If Disney doesn't care, why are they introducing XPAss? Guests will be able to choose dining ressies, FP windows...even reserve a parade slot. They will make more $$$. Rumor has it, Disney is discontinuing, the never ending "free dining" promotion. My guess, they expect, paying customers to fill their restaurants.

We work hard and play the same way. I don't mind spending money, but I still value a dollar. I won't write Disney a blank check. We already spend significantly less at Disneyworld. Their loss is someone else's gain. What!?! You say, they don't mind losing customers, we don't matter? Hmmmm...No worries, they will continue to hike prices. You are welcome to "my spot". I will enjoy spending my $$$, where I am welcome. If, Disney expects their guests to "take it or leave it"... I won't let the door hit me on the way out! Not a good or smart way to treat loyal, paying, customers. IMO

 

[KellyNY]

We do usually get a GAC, but we are travelling with another party on this trip so splitting up is not preferable.

We are also staying offsite so are not eligible for EMH.

We take a break around 2pm each day and may or may not return to parks in pm depending on dd's state. If we do return it is for a brief period. Usually, pm ADR's are harder to make for us due to possibility of stamina issues.

I realize we are a special situation, we will just have to go with a CS each day. It is not the end of the world-just a bit of a different trip for us than usual. I am absolutely positive that with this new no late FP policy we will ride less rides than usual.

We may be able to shuffle FPs depending on less riders than park tickets, but I am still trying to brainstorm on that idea.

If you have to accomodate other party as well in addition to your situation, it makes it much more difficult. Maybe ADRs before park openning then, if you can wake up that early. You do not really need to rush your meal, most of the morning FPs should still be before 2pm. I think you can at least give it a try. You have 24 hours to cancel your ADR, if it does not work in your situation, then you just stick with CS. Do not burn bridges just yet, you may still be fine.

 

[magicbob]

You know RD is not evryones cup of tea. I love my strategy and get to ride everything I want, and I also get to sleep and do other things.

Mesaboy2 said nothing about RD. He merely referred to the fact that some people CHOOSE not to use FPs late even though they know it's allowed. Those FPs could have been attained after lunch or whenever, not necessarily at RD. Some of these people do so simply because they want to ride the ride as soon as they are allowed. However, many people on these boards have stated they do so because they believe in "following the rules." I believe he was referring to this second group of people who choose an action that might be less convenient out of a misguided sense of moral superiority.

 

[mesaboy2]

Mesaboy said nothing about RD. He merely referred to the fact that some people CHOOSE not to use FPs late even though they know it's allowed. Those Fps could have been attained after lunch or whenever, not necessarily at RD. Some of these people do so simply because they want to ride the ride as soon as they are allowed. However, many people on these boards have stated they do so because they believe in "following the rules." I believe he was referring to this second group of people who choose an action that might be less convenient out of a misguided sense of moral superiority.

 

[KellyNY]

If Disney doesn't care, why are they introducing XPAss? Guests will be able to choose dining ressies, FP windows...even reserve a parade slot. They will make more $$$. Rumor has it, Disney is discontinuing, the never ending "free dining" promotion. My guess, they expect, paying customers to fill their restaurants.

We work hard and play the same way. I don't mind spending money, but I still value a dollar. I won't write Disney a blank check. We already spend significantly less at Disneyworld. Their loss is someone else's gain. What!?! You say, they don't mind losing customers, we don't matter? Hmmmm...No worries, they will continue to hike prices. You are welcome to "my spot". I will enjoy spending my $$$, where I am welcome. If, Disney expects their guests to "take it or leave it"... I won't let the door hit me on the way out! Not a good or smart way to treat loyal, paying, customers. IMO

Wow, how meaning can be twisted if there is a will. Read what I said... again.
Take FP or Leave and Return later. Who said they do not care? But you know what, they have a reasonable believe that they are dealing with adults who can easily play by rules, prooven by many people who never used late FPs. If this is what going to tip someone, be it. Many businesses will turn customer away who has unreasonable demands. Can not play by rules, go, have fun somewhere else. Majority will stay and learn new ways.

 

[OhhBother]

"Misguided sense of moral superiority."

That sums it up just about perfectly. Well said.

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

Must be the longest FP thread in history...Y'all aren't tired yet?

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

Is it March 7th yet?

I wish it was...

 

[TLSnell1981]

Fast pass is not luck of the draw. You can approach the ride at any time you wish and decide if the return time window meets your needs.
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I disagree. We do not know, whats avaiable, u til we arrive at the afap kiosk. There are times, FP windows are only available for late afternoon..take one now... or they may be completely gone (even in the AM) There is also a limit.. We must wait, until we are allowed to choose, another FP. The whole purpose of FP is to free up our time, so we can experience more of what Disney has to offer. (spend more $$$)

I won't book a vacation and spend thousands of $$$$$ to choose between dining and attractions. I expect both. Honestly, I don't think that's asking for too much.

 

[vacationclub]

I think the opposite will be true. Under current practice (notice I didn't use that OTHER "P" word), if I miss my window, I can still use the FP. Under the upcoming procedures (there's another "P" word), if I miss my window, then the FP is void and I will end up tossing it or keeping it as a souvenir. Either way, I will pull the FP and attempt to use it, but the odds of being able to successfully "complete the transaction" will decrease significantly once the FP can no longer be used later than the printed time window.

That last sentence only applies to the insiders who knew the secret.
But what you describe doesn't apply to people purposely pulling a fastpass just to put into a scrapbook. I think that's what the original comment was getting at. FPs are even more valuable now that the insiders can't use in the same way anymore, so they are even less likely to be pulled just of the purpose of scrap booking them. Sure, there are FPs in scrapbooks now....many from the insiders that have some to spare.

But either way, missed legitimately or because they purposely missed the FP, shorter lines....yes?

 

[TLSnell1981]

. If this is what going to tip someone, be it. Many businesses will turn customer away who has unreasonable demands. Can not play by rules, go, have fun somewhere else. Majority will stay and learn new ways.

I'm guessing, you don't own a business and/or you work in customer service? Some can't grasp the fact, Disney ALLOWED late passes..even encouraged it, so I don't see that as BREAKING a rule. Disney doesn't want their guests to go elsewhere, they want them to spend more $$$$ and time in their Parks. (pssst...XPass)

 

[vacationclub]

I disagree. We do not know, whats avaiable, u til we arrive at the afap kiosk.

Yep, that's what I said.

There are times, FP windows are only available for late afternoon..take one now... or they may be completely gone (even in the AM)

Yep, also true.

There is also a limit.. We must wait, until we are allowed to choose, another FP.

And again, true. I never said anything different.

So, which part do you disagree with?

I won't book a vacation and spend thousands of $$$$$ to choose between dining and attractions. I expect both. Honestly, I don't think that's asking for too much.

New Flash: you may be expecting too much. EDIT: You can get attractions and dining. Many do. You just want it your way, and won't settle for anything other that what the FP insiders club has allowed you. Now you must make a choice, and perhaps lower expectations a bit and be thankful for all those years you were able to get away with the FP return times.

How about going at another time of year?

Entitlement. A national epidemic.

 

[nytimez]

Wow. Opening the thread this morning is like stepping into a time machine.

Thank you, vacationclub, for bringing us back into your neverending circular argument. Just remember: Repetition doesn't make you right. And snide comments don't prove your point.

 

[vacationclub]

riginally Posted by KellyNY
. If this is what going to tip someone, be it. Many businesses will turn customer away who has unreasonable demands. Can not play by rules, go, have fun somewhere else. Majority will stay and learn new ways.

I'm guessing, you don't own a business and/or you work in customer service?

I DO own a business, so by default I work in customer service.

And yes, I purposely AVOID doing business with pain in the butt people with ridiculous expectations and entitled attitudes. They are always miffed when you act like you don't need them...or sometimes when they keep calling and you refuse to call them back. Anyone who IS in business has millions of stories of customers, or potential customers that they wish never called or walked in the door.

 

[KellyNY]

Mesaboy2 said nothing about RD. He merely referred to the fact that some people CHOOSE not to use FPs late even though they know it's allowed. Those FPs could have been attained after lunch or whenever, not necessarily at RD. Some of these people do so simply because they want to ride the ride as soon as they are allowed. However, many people on these boards have stated they do so because they believe in "following the rules." I believe he was referring to this second group of people who choose an action that might be less convenient out of a misguided sense of moral superiority.

Oh no, it is not about superiority, it is about being finally vendicated. You know, we were sucrifising chickens and finally gods heard us...

 

[vacationclub]

Wow. Opening the thread this morning is like stepping into a time machine.

Thank you, vacationclub, for bringing us back into your neverending circular argument. Just remember: Repetition doesn't make you right. And snide comments don't prove your point.

What in the world are you talking about?