Who has experience with moving a terminal relative in with them?

It sounds to me that moving your FIL closer to you is a good idea. None of our parents had to live with us, but I spent many nights staying at my mom’s as she lived with stage 4 cancer. It wasn’t easy. My mild mannered mom got very crabby and combative the last couple months. I understood but it was still hurtful. She was never that way to the younger grand kids though. Just be prepared, it won’t always be easy, but you do it out of love.

We lost my MIL last year. She was mostly at home the last few months with my sister in law staying most of the time. My husband refused to stay with her alone. He went to help but never gave her one in one care. It was partly her being a woman and also being afraid she would fall or something. They had a home Health aid coming in a few hours a day and at the end she had hospice. She didn’t have the money for a nursing home despite having a long term health policy. Not sure why that was but it did pay for the home health person.
 
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The last thread I started was about decorating advice for a room that I'm turning into a guest bedroom. Now it looks like we may be moving my father-in-law into that room.

He was recently diagnosed with cancer and went downhill really quickly. Now they're telling us there's nothing more they can do and it's probably a matter of a couple months at most.

He is currently in the hospital but up until then he lived alone in his own home about a 12-hour drive from us. My family has been making the drive a LOT over the last five weeks and have missed quite a bit of work/school. We can't keep doing this.

He will be discharged from the hospital within the next day or two. He could then go to: assisted living with hospice care, independent living with hospice care and other care as needed (home nurse, etc), going back home with hospice and other care as needed, or moving him in with us. He is still mentally sound and somewhat mobile. He can feed, toilet, and bathe himself (although I know we can't expect this to last). He has a brother fairly close by (an hour drive), his church, and friends, but apparently with Covid he has not been attending church and has had almost no visitors/company, so he is basically alone.

We're leaning toward moving him in with us. I'm home all day and can look out for him and prepare meals (a big issue is that he isn't eating, which has improved since he's been in the hospital since his meals are served to him) and keep him company. I can do his laundry, do the cleaning, and drive him to doctor's appointments. He can be part of family meals as long as he is able, and the kids can talk to him and keep him entertained--basically he can take part in our family life. We know his days are limited, and this seems to me to be a happier way to spend them than alone in his house with a nurse. He had been in the process of purchasing an apartment in an independent living facility when he was diagnosed, which is why that's one of the choices I listed, but he can back out of that deal with only a small financial penalty. Money is not a significant issue in this decision; there is plenty for whatever he/we decide to do.

For those of you who have experienced this (or anyone who has knowledge of this type of situation)--is there anything I'm not thinking of? What were your experiences like? Do you have any advice?

It's definitely a hard decision. You and your spouse need to discuss all of the pro's and con's of ALL of your options and then agree on which option(s) you'll propose.

I will warn you, though, that take care of a dying cancer-ridden loved one in the last weeks of his or her life is very very hard. Harder than you might realize. There are basically NO breaks other than when a home health nurse comes periodically. When my mom was dying of cancer, my dad wasn't vocal and insistent enough with my mom's doctors, who only ordered a home health visit once a week to check on and change my mom's bile ostomy bag (she had pancreatic cancer). Most of the time, he had to change the bag himself and he was a nervous wreck doing it.

On top of it, he thought that he could continue working full time from home (telecommuting) during all of that. Even though my sister was there for the last 6 weeks to help, it was really really really hard. Doctors finally ordered and convinced my parents that hospice care was in order, but at that point, she had been suffering with a lot of extreme pain for weeks. Once my mom agreed to go to a hospice care facility, the in-facility hospice nurses convinced her to actually take the pain meds that had been prescribed, and she was a lot more comfortable.

This is a bit morbid, but if at some point, you go to sell your home, you will have to disclose if anyone died in the house.

One option to consider would be to have him at home with you while he's still able to do things for himself like use the toilet, wash himself, etc. And then when he needs more assistance with self-care, then that would be a good time to consider transferring him to a hospice care facility.

It does sound like the current solution, where you drive 12 hr one way to get to him, is not sustainable.

It's a gut wrenching decision to make. I'm so sorry that you and your family are going through this. It's so very hard.
 
Regarding his wants--we definitely don't want to run roughshod over his wishes and it will have to be a mutual decision. We haven't actually brought up the possibility with him yet because we wanted to think it over as a family and make absolutely sure we think it's something we can all handle before we suggest it to him. My kids are 16 and 12 and both of them are fine with it, although the 12-year-old feels a little funny about the possibility of Grandpa dying in our house.

I think most likely he would want to live with us but that he'll turn us down because he doesn't want to be a burden. He is a very kind, thoughtful person who never wants to be a bother. I think we'll need to convince him that we genuinely want to have him with us and that it would actually be easier for us to have him here than to keep making the drive to where he lives now, which we would undoubtedly have to do at least several more times if he stays in his home.

I also think he won't want us taking care of any of his most personal needs as those become greater. When he becomes more incapacitated we would hire someone to take care of bathing, toilet needs, etc. I don't think either he or we would be comfortable with that level of intimacy. And at the very end, it might be preferable for him to be in a hospital or other facility.

In my mind the biggest challenge is the trip down, as mentioned by one DISer, but I think we can manage. We have some ideas about how best to get him here. Our town is actually considerably better regarding doctors and health care. He currently lives in a small town that doesn't even have a specialist for his type of cancer, and our city has a well-regarded cancer center.

I think I might be more concerned about the mental health and possible burnout of my family as caregivers (and me specifically) if I thought it would be for a longer period of time, but it doesn't sound as if we would be doing this for long even if things work out as well as can be hoped for.

I guess the next step is to see what he wants to do. Thanks for all the advice; I feel better just having shared this with you all.

When we had to move my mom from NJ to FL, we got a private ambulance with 2 nurses and a driver, all meals paid, meds covered, etc. Best $6K we ever spent b/c there was no other way to move my mom at that point. There are services that fly or drive anyone anywhere - you just have to look around for what services you need and how you need them (we had to pay for a certain level of care that your dad may not need, which would make his move cheaper, since my mom literally went from a hospital after dialysis to my sis's house, since rehab, which was direly needed, was rejected by Medicare, and my mom was not yet at a "hospice" posture b/c she still had treatment options, although they eventually failed)...
 
Regarding his wants--we definitely don't want to run roughshod over his wishes and it will have to be a mutual decision. We haven't actually brought up the possibility with him yet because we wanted to think it over as a family and make absolutely sure we think it's something we can all handle before we suggest it to him. My kids are 16 and 12 and both of them are fine with it, although the 12-year-old feels a little funny about the possibility of Grandpa dying in our house.

I think most likely he would want to live with us but that he'll turn us down because he doesn't want to be a burden. He is a very kind, thoughtful person who never wants to be a bother. I think we'll need to convince him that we genuinely want to have him with us and that it would actually be easier for us to have him here than to keep making the drive to where he lives now, which we would undoubtedly have to do at least several more times if he stays in his home.

I also think he won't want us taking care of any of his most personal needs as those become greater. When he becomes more incapacitated we would hire someone to take care of bathing, toilet needs, etc. I don't think either he or we would be comfortable with that level of intimacy. And at the very end, it might be preferable for him to be in a hospital or other facility.

In my mind the biggest challenge is the trip down, as mentioned by one DISer, but I think we can manage. We have some ideas about how best to get him here. Our town is actually considerably better regarding doctors and health care. He currently lives in a small town that doesn't even have a specialist for his type of cancer, and our city has a well-regarded cancer center.

I think I might be more concerned about the mental health and possible burnout of my family as caregivers (and me specifically) if I thought it would be for a longer period of time, but it doesn't sound as if we would be doing this for long even if things work out as well as can be hoped for.

I guess the next step is to see what he wants to do. Thanks for all the advice; I feel better just having shared this with you all.
We moved my dad in after he was diagnosed with cancer. Was the most harrowing experience of my life but would do it all over again if I had to. He declined rapidly & died within a month of moving in. The hardest part was having to be so close to the dying process & watching my father go through that. But placing him in a facility was never on the table for us. But I cherish all of those days & am so glad we had him here. So sorry to hear about the circumstances. Cancer really sucks 😔
 


You sound like an amazing DIL for being willing to take this on. :flower3:

First two things that come out at me. 1) If your spare bedroom is upstairs, and I think I remember it is, then that may become difficult if he is in a weakened state. I don't know what kind of cancer he has, but if he's short of breath, or dizzy/weak, etc., it could be difficult, eventually, for him to walk up the stairs. There could also be falls if he's in an unfamiliar place and you might have to install handrails in the hallways and bathroom, or is there room for a walker, etc. Just things to think about. And 2) You probably don't need to worry too much about doctors as once he enters hospice care, their doctors take over. One thing I didn't realize (and this could vary by location) is that time for hospice is once active treatment ceases. If someone is still pursuing treatment, then they can look into Palliative Care. If it's palliative care, and he is still undergoing treatment, then he would need a care team near you (which shouldn't be too, too difficult if you have a good cancer center near you; the transfer of care is not unusual in these situations).

Agreed that a lot depends on what he wants to do. I love how you explained it, i.e. that he might not want to feel like a burden or have to have all of you assist him or see him deteriorate, etc. Some people are proud like that. So it will just depend on how he feels about it. And don't underestimate how his own experiences with this, or even stories he's heard, may affect his decisions.

I am a longtime RN who recently cared for my own mother at home through her illness and hospice experience, etc. My primary support with her care was my daughter who was in nursing school at the time, and is now an RN, so we were fortunate that way. We also had two other family members here help as needed when they were home. Mom had lived with us for almost 25 yrs in an in-law apt so she was home. But you are right about it being easier on you when they are right there. This is one of the reasons she came to live with us in the first place.

Anyway, the decline was tough, as she was always independent and proud. There were multiple falls, and a fractured hip which overshadowed a lot of her enjoyment of the some of the last good days of her life - which we didn't realize they were at the the time - sadly enough (with our finding out her cancer had spread during the hip fiasco). But even in her own apt we eventually couldn't use her own bed when she became increasingly dependent on us for care. She was relatively small, but trying to get her up out of bed in the morning with dead weight when she could no longer move herself became backbreaking, and many days I was by myself. I fought getting a hospital bed (mainly out of sentimentality - with a healthy dose of that means we're nearing the end) but eventually I had to give in, and that helped (given the bed went up and down, the head could be raised, and the mattress was washable). Same with a lift. We put the bed in her living room where there was more space for us caregivers to work, and she could see life outside the window and have room for visitors, etc.

I say this with many, many years of taking care of patients - it was one of the most difficult jobs I have ever taken on, as she got more and more unable to do anything for herself. We had to feed her, toilet her (sometimes with enemas on a bedside commode using a lift), change her, clean her up, wash her up and change her clothes, nurse her through pneumonias and UTIs, change dressings, Foley catheter care, turn her every couple of hours when she became bedbound, you name it. The last few days were especially tough when body functions let loose. (Man, those situations are much less difficult in a facility with a care team and proper equipment to do the job. Sorry for the graphics but it seems this is what you wanted to know.) But I'm glad we saw it through. I think the only reasons we were able to do it was because we had the knowledge, and had other support at home, including helping hands, and equipment we'd either bought or hospice had arranged for us to get, otherwise we would not have been. We did all her care, no outside help, 24/7. (And all of us either still working or in school, etc. Aides through hospice could not be scheduled on a regular schedule - they show up when they show up, and I couldn't have that with my own schedule, so that's mainly why we didn't use hospice aides.) We did have a hospice team where nurses visited once a week, then more often toward the end. They were a good support for me, personally, but the hands on care still fell to us. They assessed the situation to make sure she was being well cared for, checked her vital signs, made medication recommendations, checked wounds, talked to the doctors, counseled me on aspects of care I was unfamiliar with, remained on-call when I needed them (which I did a few times in the middle of the night), etc. I think the situation was sort of unusual for them, too. One of the nicest features of hospice I found was getting meds delivered in an emergency up until midnight, same with equipment. For instance one night we needed a suction machine and they delivered it at 9pm. And nurses keep a lot of supplies in their trunks, lol. That really helps when you need things at home.

I've noticed there are some companies around that also help provide care to elderly at home if you look. Not sure if they take on medical situations but it's worth looking into. We also had someone we trusted who would stay with Mom if we had to go out and no one else would be home.

I did choose a hospice group that was associated with a hospice facility in case I thought she needed to go there toward the end, but again, I felt in many ways it was easier to have her home than it was to have to travel daily to a facility with my crazy schedule and such. And this was before Covid - not being able to see her and at least help take care of her would not have been an option for me. She had a tough life and I wanted to give her that gift at the end. She would've absolutely done the same for me, or anyone for that matter, were the tables reversed.

My take, from what you have written, is either an independent living or assisted living with hospice option near you, depending on his condition and ability to care for himself, OR coming home with you for as long as he is safe and you are able to manage there, with an option to move to a hospice facility when his needs for care increase. It's a blessing there aren't financial worries. But I know there are also now concerns with Covid for patients in facilities. So it can be a tough decision. My kids were older, but they assisted their grandmother for many years prior to her decline, as well as saw it through to the end (it was actually my son who was there with my for one of the toughest days we had with Mom, and I was proud of how he did what needed to be done with little fuss) and I think they were the better for it. Of course, being a family with nurses it's sort of second nature for us, so that could be different, but if you discuss it with your kids and they're open to helping, then I think it can be a life-changing experience. We are still in the grieving phase. I can't think of many regrets, though. Mom was peaceful and comfortable, and that was the main goal. Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if I can help.
 
Yes, think about COVID rules. I know where I am, visiting is not happening in any senior residence facilities. After spending the last 3 years driving 8 hours each way to spend every third week spending time with my parents (and having retired early to be able to do so) I have only seen them in person 3 times (dad once, and mom twice, then seeing both through the windows) in the last 6 months - to take them to drs. appts. They can leave for drs. appts. or hospital visits but we cannot go in unless/until they are hospice. As his family, you will be needed for medical decision making, bill paying, etc. and that drive just sounds impossible to manage while keeping your own family and work life going. My guess is your FIL would want the needs of your kids and family to be considered. Friends, church members etc. are great, but they will be under COVID restrictions too and won't be able to be with him either.

Anyway, I think having him in your home for a while with a plan for him to go somewhere nearby when he hits hospice status if needed might be workable. Honestly, with COVID, this may be the only way to walk through this with him or even see him at all unless he is in his own home with a caregiver. I know it will be hard for him to leave his home, but it will get exponentially harder as time goes on because the drive might be an insurmountable obstacle.
 
My SIL is going through the same situation right now.. Though her DH's situation is not Cancer, but advance dementia where soon he will not be eating anymore.. The past 2 years he is in home care. My SIL decided to pull him out end this months.. For many reasons:
1. Covid situation
2. Other patients in the home make their lives hell
3. Costs

My SIL is a unique case as she goes to the home daily from 10am until evening basically doing the home's job. She changes, does bathroom stuff and feeds him. Even when they didn't allow outside visitors they made an exception for her. Even today you can only go in with an Appointment and meet in a visitor room, she gets a different pass. During the lock-down, they gave her a nurses room and she moved into the home. They see that with her there, they are relieved of many duties.

due to continuing Covid stress and the fact that her DH has reached the phase where he will soon not get out of bed, she decided to bring him home. As long as he was mobile he needed to be in a lock-down environment. But he is out she is saving over 2 grand a month and gets from the Government around 800 if she does home care. She has a friend who is experienced in nursing care and will relieve her at home here and there. Her kids are in the area to watch too.

Based on her experience and from my mother who took care of my grandpa until he passed here are my comments in addition to those already mentioned above:
1. Are you prepared for the emotional and mental strain of being responsible and there for every moment? My mother at the end of her dad's life could not sleep at night. She was scared at times to wake up and find a dead body. She lived alone with him. Hate to sound blunt but that is how it was. My mom still worked and had in-home care come during the day, but at night she was alone. he ended up passing while she as at work and his home nurse found him by her call.
2. Make sure you have ALL paper work done.. My SIL has on paper her DH will not be in a feeding tube. He is reaching that point where he cannot eat anymore. With cancer you have a whole bunch of other issues to decide on when it comes to near end of life scenarios.
3. Get a medical and home care support system set up. Even if its under the table. My mom paid a colleague's retired DH 500 cash a month to babysit her dad.. This was before he was bedridden. He would walk with him or simply sit and watch TV. Even if you are at home- YOU need a break.
4. Honestly ask how your patient is and if you can handle it. My SIL when she was younger also took care of her MIL at home. She also had Dementia ( must run in the family). She was violent and abusive. She always tells the story back then she was at the Drs. office with her DH and her MIL's Dr. said you guys have a choice either your mom goes in a home or your wife will end up in one. The MIL went in. These cases happen more with Dementia/Alz. not with Cancer but not all people are "good patients".
 
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So sorry about your FIL! I didn't read all replies, but I assume there's already good advice here. Just adding my own two cents from my own experience, which thankfully I've only dealt with one time.

Several years ago, my grandfather was diagnosed with advanced bone cancer in July. He opted to not receive treatment and passed the following November. During those last 5 months of his life, he was adamant that he wanted to die in his home. No hospice, hospital, nursing facility. Fortunately, my aunt was in a position where she was able to move in with him so he wasn't alone and could care for him. They also had a home nurse come by a few times a week, more frequently in the later months. There was a male home health aide that came by to shave him, trim his hair, and bathe him. As your FIL progresses, I would imagine these people would frequent your house as well. It was a lot of appointments, people in and out of the home, having to re-schedule appointments when nurses and aids were no shows, dealing with medicare/insurance when bills came and things weren't approved or other things were needed. There were hospital beds and equipment dropped off for him that were moved into his bedroom. He had a ranch luckily, but if he had a two story house, that would have posed challenges both for him as well as moving that furniture/equipment in. I also can't imagine having to balance the foot traffic in the current environment of covid. At the time of all this, my aunt was retired, widowed, and had no children. She didn't have a lot of time consuming things going on in her own life, which was good, because management of him and his care became a full time job for her. After seeing this experience, both of my parents told me to put them into a facility for hospice care if they were ever in a similar situation. They did not want to be this much of a burden or imposition on me, though they were very grateful for my aunt's care and that my grandfather was able to die as he wished.

So, I would consider all of that carefully. As things progress and he nears the end, will you be able to commit that much time to tending to everything? Perhaps a plan could be made when he's within days to move him to a facility at that point? Knowing my own family's experience, it would be hard for me to picture the same scenario in a family home with kids involved. It would be less intrusive while he's still mobile, and much more difficult when he reaches the point where he's not anymore. Its a difficult decision and I hope your family and him can find peace with a decision that works for all of you. Best wishes!
 
This is a bit morbid, but if at some point, you go to sell your home, you will have to disclose if anyone died in the house.
That is very much state to state.

Georgia does not require any such disclosure. If asked you must answer honestly but no need to put it on the disclosure form.
 
Please join the https://www.agingcare.com/caregiver-forum and read some of the threads and post this same question there. That group was a lifesaver when I was my mother's caregiver - both for helpful advice and emotional support.

I have a couple of thoughts...

no one can ever prepare you for the poop. There is so much poop. he may be able to toilet himself now but it will not last. OMG, the poop!

Be prepared for an emotional roller coaster. There may be anger and resentment from both sides, the caregiver and the person who is being cared for.

This will have an impact on your marriage

Make some sort of financial arrangement before you bring him home. It sounds very mercenary to insist that he contribute what he can but you will have unexpected expenses crop up.

Medicare/hospice does NOT provide caregivers for someone at home. They will send nurses and someone to bathe him once or twice a week but you will be responsible for all the rest of the hours.
Budget for help. You WILL need a break. Have someone come in so you can get out of the house and run errands (or drink heavily)

Be prepared for an aching back. He may be mobile now but eventually, you will be lifting a lot.

Get a social worked assigned to help you navigate medicare and insurance and then take advantage of every benefit. If you need a hoyer lift, get a hoyer lift. Hospice will likely provide a hospital bed - get it. it is way easier to manage than a regular bed whe you get to changing sheets and such.
 
How kind of you, I grew up with my grandma in the house and it taught me a great deal of patience & compassion. The biggest help was that she had a home health aid that came by for a few hours a day who kept track of her vital info, bathed her, cleaned up her room fed her lunch and gave her some degree of independence since the aid was there only for her so she had someone to chat with and all. I think medicaid or medicare paid for it or something and then at the end we paid a former aid cash for more time the other half of the day.
Overall it worked out fine, I don't think I would do it without an extra pair of hands to avoid burnout.

PS- at the very end she passed away at a hospital, the nurses aides prevent surprises because they can see trouble a mile away.
 
Not sure what state you are in or what their current restrictions are, but make sure you research well before making your decision. You do not want moving him into a facility to be the last time you see him. My brother is in a nursing home. Yesterday was the first time I got to see him in 6 months. State mandates would have still kept them closed. The feds stepped in two weeks ago and said allow visitation or else. The visitations are by appointment only and outdoors. If the resident cannot be brought outdoors, you can't see them. Temps taken, masks, distancing, only 2 guests, and 30 minute time limit. What those realities are should be factored into the decision.

Even if your state allows more visitation, find out facility's policy if he should test positive. It's heartbreaking to me to think about those dying alone because of a positive test.
 
In general, I would have agreed with asking him, and of course he has to be willing, but Coronavirus has changed everything. If I had a relative that was in need of hospice care, it would be at my home, if at all possible. Like many have mentioned, the lockdown could lead to your loved one dying alone. With us heading into winter and flu season, the visitation policies are likely to get more strict again.

I agree with those that said you will need support as well, and get it lined up before he even moves in so that you aren't tempted to skip it. Check with your local Area Agency on Aging/Eldercare locator and see if they have any assistance they can offer. The number is 800-677-1116. Also, check out Family Caregiver Alliance at caregiver.org for some good info.
 
That is a huge undertaking and it’s so kind of you guys to even consider that! As others have said, take his opinion into account. But after dealing with this exact thing with my grandparents, I will say this...

It is VERY hard work, especially as he begins to rely on you for the more physical tasks. Not only can you burn out mentally, but physically as well. I would also suggest you seek out some training for things such as physical transfers (from bed to chair, chair to toilet...etc), this way YOU’RE safe, as well as your FIL.
 
Regarding his wants--we definitely don't want to run roughshod over his wishes and it will have to be a mutual decision. We haven't actually brought up the possibility with him yet because we wanted to think it over as a family and make absolutely sure we think it's something we can all handle before we suggest it to him. My kids are 16 and 12 and both of them are fine with it, although the 12-year-old feels a little funny about the possibility of Grandpa dying in our house.

I think most likely he would want to live with us but that he'll turn us down because he doesn't want to be a burden. He is a very kind, thoughtful person who never wants to be a bother. I think we'll need to convince him that we genuinely want to have him with us and that it would actually be easier for us to have him here than to keep making the drive to where he lives now, which we would undoubtedly have to do at least several more times if he stays in his home.

I also think he won't want us taking care of any of his most personal needs as those become greater. When he becomes more incapacitated we would hire someone to take care of bathing, toilet needs, etc. I don't think either he or we would be comfortable with that level of intimacy. And at the very end, it might be preferable for him to be in a hospital or other facility.

In my mind the biggest challenge is the trip down, as mentioned by one DISer, but I think we can manage. We have some ideas about how best to get him here. Our town is actually considerably better regarding doctors and health care. He currently lives in a small town that doesn't even have a specialist for his type of cancer, and our city has a well-regarded cancer center.

I think I might be more concerned about the mental health and possible burnout of my family as caregivers (and me specifically) if I thought it would be for a longer period of time, but it doesn't sound as if we would be doing this for long even if things work out as well as can be hoped for.

I guess the next step is to see what he wants to do. Thanks for all the advice; I feel better just having shared this with you all.
I have been a nurse for 26 years. I have done everything. I am currently in the long term care setting. First I agree to ask what he wants. But you have already mentioned a decline. As you know being 12 hrs away that is no longer doable. I would invite him into your home. I would have your brother fly with him to your place as that drive is too long. I would get hospice set up ASAP upon his arrival. They will provide a nurse, bath aide a few times a week for bathing, social work and chaplain if he is interested. Medicare under hospice pays for all equipment, most medication and all of the services for no charge to him. I would not b/c of the ages of your children want him to die at home. Most cities have wonderful hospice houses where your dad would have a nice room with bathroom and shower. When he gets to the point where he can not care for himself that is where he should be placed. He would have to pay for room and board in hospice house as that is not covered under Medicare, but hopefully he has some money to do that. This is when it is critical to have your social worker so she can do all of this for you. Hospice will know along with you when it is time to move. But most importantly you need to take care of you. Being a full time caregiver and mom is hard, but in the end you will look back over this time you had and never regret this. Your kids will be changed forever in getting to know grandpa better and learning the ultimate lesson of love even when the end comes. If I can help in any other way please reach out to me at lvillotta1@yahoo.com. Blessings Laurie
 

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