DisneyJamieCA
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I do. That doesn’t change my experience being different.
Both require specialized attention and neither should get the shaft. But that DOES include gifted children.
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I find it disturbing that there is often so much support for making sure gifted and honors-level students get the specialized instruction they are entitled to, while at the same time there is often so little support for making sure special ed students get the support they are legally entitled to.
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I do. That doesn’t change my experience being different.
Both require specialized attention and neither should get the shaft. But that DOES include gifted children.
I think that is, in part, a reaction to the fact that there are legal mandates that ensure (or attempt to ensure) that special ed kids get the support they need, while programs serving gifted and honors-level students are not legally required in most places and therefore tend to be first on the chopping block (along with the arts) whenever the schools are under stress.
I absolutely agree. I just find that many people think it’s perfectly fine for kids in special ed to get left behind in this at-home situation, but the minute taking away opportunities for gifted kids comes up (it shouldn’t, no argument there), that’s what gets people riled up. BOTH deserve the education that’s appropriate for them. It just often seems like usually only teachers and parents of special ed kids defend special ed, whereas a wider range of people defend gifted / honors.
Because I actually hadn’t heard of this, I just checked. It isn’t in my state. Gifted programs are not required and only partially state funded. So when districts won’t cover the cost, you get what it looks like for us. Too bad because I absolutely would have pushed for that.True, but I also have often seen people refuse to acknowledge that kids in special ed have a right to what they need. It’s inherently an issue of a lack of proper funding for the needs of ALL students.
I don’t know if you are aware, but gifted kids are often entitled to what is commonly called a Gifted IEP, laying the legal foundation for an appropriate education for them. I wish thus was taken advantage of more frequently.
I am just curious about your comment, I work at a middle school in s fla and we happen to be a 5 core gifted center and a see center for asd both are required by our district to have an iron for see or ep for gifted on file and renewed regularly! I was under the impression this is the law federally! Your school doesn’t do gifted ep’s with parent meetings support and goals?True, but I also have often seen people refuse to acknowledge that kids in special ed have a right to what they need. It’s inherently an issue of a lack of proper funding for the needs of ALL students.
I don’t know if you are aware, but gifted kids are often entitled to what is commonly called a Gifted IEP, laying the legal foundation for an appropriate education for them. I wish thus was taken advantage of more frequently.
Let me clarify auto correct makes me nuts sorry we are a exceptional student education center for autism and those students each have an individual education plan! (Hopefully my above comments make sense now)I am just curious about your comment, I work at a middle school in s fla and we happen to be a 5 core gifted center and a see center for asd both are required by our district to have an iron for see or ep for gifted on file and renewed regularly! I was under the impression this is the law federally! Your school doesn’t do gifted ep’s with parent meetings support and goals?
gift education plans may be a state level law but it is not federal and not in all states. I am and education/special education lawyer and it is not available in the states I am licensed. There are students who are twice exceptional in that they are gifted but also have a learning or other disability that prevents them from accessing their education. They can have an iep but because of the disability and not the gifted side.True, but I also have often seen people refuse to acknowledge that kids in special ed have a right to what they need. It’s inherently an issue of a lack of proper funding for the needs of ALL students.
I don’t know if you are aware, but gifted kids are often entitled to what is commonly called a Gifted IEP, laying the legal foundation for an appropriate education for them. I wish thus was taken advantage of more frequently.
They have ieps because they have autism not because they are gifted. Idea and section 504 are the usual federal laws in play for ieps or 504 plans depending on the needs of the individual kid.Let me clarify auto correct makes me nuts sorry we are a exceptional student education center for autism and those students each have an individual education plan! (Hopefully my above comments make sense now)
Thank you for the explanation is state level my ese coordinator always says it’s the law so I presumed federal since that is where our grants are from! And yes we also have dual students our asd kids have truly remarkable almost savant singular abilities in some areas! I understand the needs seem conflicted but except for the very low functioning non verbal most of our students are in regular classes with support, either para or some of our slp carry teacher license and do support by co teachinggift education plans may be a state level law but it is not federal and not in all states. I am and education/special education lawyer and it is not available in the states I am licensed. There are students who are twice exceptional in that they are gifted but also have a learning or other disability that prevents them from accessing their education. They can have an iep but because of the disability and not the gifted side.
But what about older kids? My kids are going to be seniors, applying to colleges. Is my daughter supposed to teach herself AP BC calculus herself? AP microeconomics (which she knows nothing about). AP Spanish literature (her 6th year of Spanish)? In high school there are several age groups in some classes. Kids take algebra in 7th, or 8th, or 9th, or 10th. Keep in mind that scoring 4’s or 5’s on AP exams usually count as college credit, even if just electives, saving thousands of dollars. Classes would have to be taught on the lowest level, many have passed that level years ago.It might be necessary to eliminate the various tracks for the short term. Advanced students could be given extra work to do on their own.
That is great for you. Truly. But I'm going to say that talking to friends across the country, you are in the minority here. We have all made the best of it. That isn't the same as working. Yeah, that won't work. Nor should it. Punishing gifted/above grade level students isn't fair. They spend most of their elementary years that way.
Perhaps those AP classes can be done remotely for the time being. As I indicated to another PP, this was a suggestion to keep kids out of crowded hallways during period changes when we need to promote social distancing. It is not ideal and certainly not for the long term.But what about older kids? My kids are going to be seniors, applying to colleges. Is my daughter supposed to teach herself AP BC calculus herself? AP microeconomics (which she knows nothing about). AP Spanish literature (her 6th year of Spanish)? In high school there are several age groups in some classes. Kids take algebra in 7th, or 8th, or 9th, or 10th. Keep in mind that scoring 4’s or 5’s on AP exams usually count as college credit, even if just electives, saving thousands of dollars. Classes would have to be taught on the lowest level, many have passed that level years ago.
Under normal circumstances, yes. But I wouldn’t go to someone’s home during a pandemic.For students with both IEPs and health issues that would prevent them from returning to school right away, could teachers be deployed to their homes? My mom is still receiving her PT at home and has a home health aide at night since both are considered essential services. Could we do the same with any willing teachers? Of course they would need some special training and PPE.
Then you don't really understand the issues the truly gifted kids are dealing with. It's not just about them being smart. Their minds are wired differently and have a unique set of needs and challenges. Gifted kids don't just sail through class with parents demanding separate classes for their little genius to outshine everyone else. Many gifted kids flounder without trained, understanding staff to help them succeed in a school setting.I find it disturbing that there is often so much support for making sure gifted and honors-level students get the specialized instruction they are entitled to, while at the same time there is often so little support for making sure special ed students get the support they are legally entitled to.