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Universal now requiring documentation be sent to a third party for accessibility

What documentation? What medical needs? What determines if you require it? Who determines it? A physician? A theme park employee? How would you even know to ask for it? There is no metric for it. It is undefinable. It seems odd that some people are complaining about providing documentation if “a LOT of documentation“ is already required for anything other than the standard AAP. I don’t get it. I think more people are going to request this easier access pass and then It will go the way of the GAC. Just my opinion.
I don't see any reason why someone would need to know to ask for it - based on the needs of the guest, it is offered, and it seems that the determination of whether or not it is offered is made by Universal, again, based on need.
 
I've said this before in this thread, multiple times as a matter of fact. Pre-IBCCES, my father was approved for GAP passes, based on documentation. What documentation? Reports from multiple doctors including specialists, along with MRIs, physical therapy reports, and post-procedure reports from several different medical procedures. Who approved it? Universal's disability manager. What was the role of the front-line Guest Services employees? To look up his GC code in the computer, see that said disability manager had approved that specific accommodation, and print out the passes. How did he know to ask for it? He tried the AAP. It didn't work for him. He went to Guest Services and explained that it didn't work and why. They told him there was a higher-level accommodation available, but that because it was considered "better" rather than "equal" access, he would have to provide medical documentation. He said OK. They gave him a phone number to reach the disability manager (or more likely his team, it was a few years ago, I don't remember exactly who he talked to). They explained exactly what he would need to submit, where to send it, and how long it would take to get a decision. When the decision was made, they called him back with a GC code and explained what to do to get the passes each time.

It's not an insurmountable obstacle. It's not undefinable. It's just something that, like most things involving a disability, requires time and effort. Is that "fair"? IDK, and it's not really up to me to say. Theme parks are free to set whatever standards they want, as long as they meet the minimums required by the ADA.

ETA: My dad isn't someone special who magically knows all the ins and outs of the process. We've met several people over the years who were also approved for GAP passes through exactly the same process. They managed to figure it out too.
That process sounds exactly how it should be. But someone else posted that they got a similar pass because of their bad experience in the park. And someone else apparently got it by just getting the IBCCLES card. So it doesn’t always require that same documentation. So the metrics are clearly not well defined even by Universal.

That being said, Universal can follow whatever capricious process that want to. I just think it should be better defined so that all people can easily know what they qualify for and how to get access based on that. And it seems that is clearly not the case.

I don't see any reason why someone would need to know to ask for it - based on the needs of the guest, it is offered, and it seems that the determination of whether or not it is offered is made by Universal, again, based on need.
Because many people might get the AAP and make do with it when they don’t know there is anything more to get. Maybe they are not articulate enough to quantify what their needs are. Because theme parks employees, or most people for that matter, are just going to give their best guess of how any person’s needs could be met. Because one employee might give different people different accommodations based on how they word things. Or different employees might treat people with the same stated needs differently based on their unique interpretation. That’s the problem with a metric-less based system.

Again, Universal can make whatever system they want to as long as it doesn’t violate the ADA. It just seems like a poorly thought out system. That’s just my opinion though.
 
The risk of being too transparent with requirements, especially for invisible disabilities, is that it makes it all too easy to game the system. Eg. Let’s say that universal is explicit that in order to quality for a red card you need to have dreamed about strawberries last night (totally ridiculous example but I’m trying to avoid any semblance of ”telling people what to say”). Universal has no way of observing whether or not that’s true, so they take your word on it. Presto, if I want a red card I just need to tell them about strawberries. There are already people online who do give away the playbook so to say.

There seems to be very mixed opinions on this thread about how much “proof” should be required. Some say that the bar should be high, others thinks that is too onerous. Fortunately that is above my pay grade to decide. I would just echo what others have said that no matter what, someone will be unhappy and people are going to try to scam the system. It’s up to universal to figure out what balance they are comfortable with within the confines of the law.
 
That process sounds exactly how it should be. But someone else posted that they got a similar pass because of their bad experience in the park. And someone else apparently got it by just getting the IBCCLES card. So it doesn’t always require that same documentation. So the metrics are clearly not well defined even by Universal.
I haven't seen anyone mention getting a GAP pass based on a bad experience or getting the IBCCLES card (unless I missed something). I've seen the gold AAP mentioned based on those things. But based on the description one of them posted of what the gold AAP does, it seems like an appropriate accommodation for the specific experience the poster described (having to get out of line to attend to a medical issue and being unable to maneuver their mobility device through the crowd). And the other one said that the gold AAP was offered based on their conversation with the Universal accommodations team after getting the card. They mentioned that they had AAP previously, but the accommodations team member thought that the gold AAP would be more appropriate for their described needs. Neither one is a GAP pass, and it appears that both were given out based on stated needs combined with real world experience.

It's always going to be somewhat capricious as long as a conversation with a human being is involved. But from what I understand based on second-hand inside knowledge, they're trying really hard to make it less capricious. They're taking the decision away from front-line Guest Services altogether (who had absolutely no training in this beyond the bare minimum), and giving it to a specially trained accommodations team (who are not physicians, but have gotten a great deal of specialized training from the disability manager/team). So again, that won't get rid of the "random team member" factor, but it should at least make things a bit fairer than they were before.
 
He tried the AAP. It didn't work for him. He went to Guest Services and explained that it didn't work and why. They told him there was a higher-level accommodation available, but that because it was considered "better" rather than "equal" access, he would have to provide medical documentation. He said OK. They gave him a phone number to reach the disability manager (or more likely his team, it was a few years ago, I don't remember exactly who he talked to). They explained exactly what he would need to submit, where to send it, and how long it would take to get a decision. When the decision was made, they called him back with a GC code and explained what to do to get the passes each time
Sorry this is messy - I was trying to quote multiple things and it didn’t work the way I expected….
Universal has had multiple levels of AAP (Attraction Access Passes) for many years; that was fairly widely known, along with needing to provide documentation for the ‘higher’ levels.
Everyone I’ve seen talking/writing about it has described a similar process. They used the ’regular’ AAP, which didn’t work for them. When they explained their issues to Guest Relations, they were told how to apply for a ‘higher’ level which would need medical documentation.
Some ended up going thru the process multiple times for different ’levels’ of AAP.

I think one of the reasons Universal is choosing to use the new process for medical documentation (besides probably working on Autism Certification) is that they want to get out of the business of medical documentation. The new process would standardize it plus be responsible for receiving and storing the medical documentation. In the past system, Universal was accepting the documentation - once they have it, they become responsible for safeguarding it. Even if not under HIPAA, there are still privacy laws that apply. Using a 3rd party takes it out of their hands. Especially in California, which has more strict privacy laws than Florida.

My family has not used Universal’s AAP. We have been there with my youngest daughter who is physically disabled as well as having cognitive disabilities. She doesn’t have a good time at Universal and no level of AAP would help that - it‘s just the nature of the park and their attractions are not well suited for her needs.
My husband and I do go to Universal and have been there recently. But we either go alone or with friends since it’s not a good place to bring DD.
 
That process sounds exactly how it should be. But someone else posted that they got a similar pass because of their bad experience in the park. And someone else apparently got it by just getting the IBCCLES card. So it doesn’t always require that same documentation. So the metrics are clearly not well defined even by Universal.

That being said, Universal can follow whatever capricious process that want to. I just think it should be better defined so that all people can easily know what they qualify for and how to get access based on that. And it seems that is clearly not the case.


Because many people might get the AAP and make do with it when they don’t know there is anything more to get. Maybe they are not articulate enough to quantify what their needs are. Because theme parks employees, or most people for that matter, are just going to give their best guess of how any person’s needs could be met. Because one employee might give different people different accommodations based on how they word things. Or different employees might treat people with the same stated needs differently based on their unique interpretation. That’s the problem with a metric-less based system.

Again, Universal can make whatever system they want to as long as it doesn’t violate the ADA. It just seems like a poorly thought out system. That’s just my opinion though.
I didn’t see anyone who got it just because the card from IBCCES, but I’ve seen a couple of people who once they spoke to Universal after getting the card and explaining their needs were offered the better pass. That’s very different than getting it just because you have the card.

As for people needing to know about it, sorry, but people shouldn’t be asking for the better accommodation. If they can make do with the regular accommodation, then there is no reason to have the better one. And if the regular one doesn’t work for them, they can go back and ask for more help and explain why.
 


I sent Universal an email earlier tonight asking what we should do if our trip rolls around before we are contacted and just got this response

"Hello (EveDallas)

Thank you for contacting Universal Orlando Resort.

Our resort has been carefully designed, and our Team Members specifically trained, to provide equal accessibility to all of our Guests. As a courtesy to our Guests with disabilities, various types of accommodations are available.

I'm happy to report that if you have completed all the required steps listed on the IBCCES website, you have completed everything needed on your end. Once we receive your information from IBCCES, a Team Member from our Guest Accessibility Team will contact you to further assist with your accommodation. This program has just been initiated as of last week, so we ask for our Guests' patience as we contact everyone as quickly as possible. Should you not receive a call before your trip, please visit Guest Services with your IBCCES card and they can further assist.

Thank you,

Emily
Guest Communications
Universal Orlando Resort"

So at least according to this I can just take the card to GS if they don't call in time for our trip. I will save this email just in case anyone tries to say otherwise.
Update - I got an email last night asking for the date of our trip and a good time for them to contact me. I replied with the info requested so hopefully I'll get a call soon.
 
Okay, maybe I had an incredibly unusual experience, but I have a higher level AAP pass (or did before the IBCCES debacle, as I haven't applied yet without a trip coming up) and it didn't require submitting any medical documentation. I didn't even know the pass I have existed at that point. I went into guest services, explained why the basic AAP wasn't working for me to see if there were any options for specific attractions I could use, and the TM gave me the higher level pass based on what I was explaining alone.

So while it may have been used as a qualifier for those passes previously, that doesn't seem to have been a consistent thing?
 
I am confused about the new program but will apply once I book a Universal trip. My adult son has Downs, Autism, non verbal, under care of a psychiatrist for his behavior, uses a chair in park for poor balance, vision, stamina, yet most of this is addressed by the chair. I always felt he needed DAS and assistance pass for something else. Toilet accidents (poop, sorry folks) on long line, in his chair, it's nearly impossible to quickly exit a deep narrow line queue. (PS this is purely something that happens at theme parks). I saw nothing on the application that defines this type thing. He does have a document like an IEP, like a plan, from his adult day program. Not sure if that would be enough, otherwise I guess one of his doctors would help. Glad to see some kind of program to verify, no complaints from me. Good luck all.
 
Oh geeze. That’s disappointing. It is really expensive and takes a lot of time for me to get any type of documentation from my neurologist. This just makes me less likely to take my family there. Maybe that’s the point?
 
Has anyone gotten their call recently? We emailed them back our trip dates for August 10th and are still waiting for them to call us.
 
Oh geeze. That’s disappointing. It is really expensive and takes a lot of time for me to get any type of documentation from my neurologist. This just makes me less likely to take my family there. Maybe that’s the point?
We guessed a lot but none of us know what the point of this actually is 😔

What about a note from your general dr? Might be a cheaper method. They don’t say that your Specialist must write the letter.
 
After you get the IBCCES card (I've just got the temp for now) do you have to do anything else or does Universal Orlando reach out to you to find out when your trip is?
 
After you get the IBCCES card (I've just got the temp for now) do you have to do anything else or does Universal Orlando reach out to you to find out when your trip is?

You just wait for Universal to email you. They will ask when your next trip is so they can schedule a call before then. We arrive in a little over a week and still waiting for them to call us for my son.
 
I wanted to update that I applied for the IBCCES card this past Thursday. Today (Wednesday) I received an email that my son was approved for the card and the card no longer says temporary. I was debating which page of my son's IEP to submit and ended up sending the page that had his actual diagnosis on it. Either way it worked. We don't travel until December, but I guess now we wait to hear from Universal.
 
I wanted to update that I applied for the IBCCES card this past Thursday. Today (Wednesday) I received an email that my son was approved for the card and the card no longer says temporary. I was debating which page of my son's IEP to submit and ended up sending the page that had his actual diagnosis on it. Either way it worked. We don't travel until December, but I guess now we wait to hear from Universal.
It really does seem like they are looking for something with a diagnosis. I'm glad you heard back.

I applied for my son on 7/14 and have heard nothing. No emails from IBCCES or Universal. I did see the card online have "temporary" removed, but that's it.

We are traveling the end of this month and were already torn between doing Universal or WDW. It is looking like WDW wins!
 
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So I did the card application and just curious what others said on their applications. It asks if the cardholder is able to stand in line or stand in line with other guests. I took them literally and said no because, well, I can't stand. 🤷‍♂️
 

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