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Obama Seeks $634 Billion for Health Care

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Obama Seeks $634 Billion for Health Care
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and ANDREW TAYLOR, AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 25) - President Barack Obama is asking Congress to raise taxes on the wealthy and cut Medicare costs to provide health care for the uninsured while making the just-enacted $400 tax cut for most workers permanent. In his first budget blueprint, Obama proposes setting aside $634 billion over the next decade to expand government subsidized health coverage — a little more than half the money needed to ensure that every American gets medical care.
Obama is also expected to ask Congress for an additional $75 billion to cover the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through September.

The disclosures came from three administration officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the budget won't be made public until Thursday.
Obama's budget proposal would effectively raise income taxes and curb tax deductions on couples making more than $250,000 a year, beginning in 2011. By not extending all of former President George W. Bush's tax cuts, Obama would allow the marginal rate on household incomes above $250,000 to rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent, said an administration official.
The plan also contains a contentious proposal to raise hundreds of billions of dollars by auctioning off permits to exceed carbon emissions caps Obama wants to impose on users of fossil fuels to address global warming. Some of the revenues from the pollution permits would be used to extend the "Making Work Pay" tax credit of $400 for individuals and $800 for couples beyond 2010 as provided in the just-passed economic stimulus bill.
About half of what officials characterized as a $634 billion "down payment" toward health care coverage for every American would come from cuts in Medicare. That is sure to incite battles with doctors, hospitals, health insurance companies and drug manufacturers.

Some of the Medicare savings would come from scaling back payments to private insurance plans that serve older Americans, which many analysts believe to be inflated. Other proposals include charging upper-income beneficiaries a higher premium for Medicare's prescription drug coverage.

To raise the other half, Obama wants to reduce the rate by which wealthier people can cut their taxes through deductions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions, local taxes and other expenses to 28 cents on the dollar, rather than the nearly 40 cents they could claim otherwise.
That proposal is deeply controversial, particularly with nonprofit institutions that depend on wealthy donors and with lawmakers representing high-tax states such as New York and New Jersey.
Even after all those difficult choices, Obama's budget still would leave the federal government heavily in the red, with deficits remaining above $500 billion over the second half of the decade — even after a series of wrenching policy choices.
The budget for 2009 will could exceed $1.5 trillion and gradually ease to $533 billion by 2013, administration officials say.
Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Finance Committee, call Obama's tax proposals a starting point. Baucus wants to also examine taxing as people's income some of health insurance benefits provided by employers — an idea rejected by Obama in last year's presidential campaign.

Obama's $634 billion head start on health care could easily double as lawmakers flesh out details in coming months on how to provide medical coverage to all of the 48 million Americans now uninsured while also trying to slow increases in health care costs. Those costs now total $2.4 trillion a year and keep rising even as the economy is shrinking.
Independent experts say providing coverage for all could easily cost more than $1 trillion over 10 years, a figure the Obama administration does not dispute.
But the administration also is demanding that any further costs be offset with tax hikes or further spending cuts under stricter pay-as-you-go budget rules.
Budget documents provided to The Associated Press show that Obama will not lay out a detailed blueprint for a health care overhaul, but a set of broad policy principles and some specific ideas for how to raise a big chunk of the money.
The principles include guaranteeing people a choice of insurance plans and doctors and continuing employer-based coverage. Americans also should be able to take their health care benefits with them when they change jobs, an administration official said.
The budget plan also recommends a long-term fix to update the alternative minimum tax for inflation. That would add $150 billion to the deficit by 2013, according to congressional estimates. The AMT was originally designed to make sure the wealthy paid at least some taxes, but it threatens to ensnare some 24 million middle- to upper-income taxpayers next year.
The budget would freeze the estate tax at current levels rather than allowing it to permanently expire next year. That would exempt individuals' estates of $3.5 million or less from the 45 percent estate tax rate, with a $7 million exemption for couples.
Obama is also expected to seek about $534 billion for the Defense Department, administration officials said, an increase over this year's base figure of $513 billion.
Neither figure includes the full cost of fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
The guy actually ran and was elected on that platform, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention to politics the past 2+ years. This small business owner applauds him for taking a shot.
 


What's the over-under on whether or not it will be enough?

Not sure. I was surprised that Congress actually made cuts the current stimulus package, so as far as I'm concerned, all bets are off. Frankly, I can't remember a budget proposal price tag that actually went down, regardless of the party in power, well...ever.
 
What's the over-under on whether or not it will be enough?

From the same article:
Independent experts say providing coverage for all could easily cost more than $1 trillion over 10 years, a figure the Obama administration does not dispute.
 
From the same article:
Independent experts say providing coverage for all could easily cost more than $1 trillion over 10 years, a figure the Obama administration does not dispute.


No matter who is in office, or when, we are going to have to allow for spending billions upon billions in health care costs in the near future. I disagree with Obama on just about everything, but here I don't see him having much of a choice.
 


Remember when our Constitution actually meant something?




Neither do I.
 
This is interesting:

Some Proposed Amendments

The Constitution is a living and evolving document. One of the ways that the Constitution is changed is through the amendment process. It can be an arduous process, requiring agreement by many different segments of society and the government, and it does not always work out. But it is the only way to make a permanent change to the Constitution. Changes in interpretation are common as time progresses, but only by having actual text added can a change be called a part of the Constitution.

In every session of Congress, hundreds of constitutional amendments are proposed. Almost never do any of them become actual Amendments. In fact, almost never do any of them even get out of committee.

According to a study by C-SPAN, this is a count of the number of amendments proposed in each of the sessions of Congress in the 1990's:

106th (1999 only): 60
105th (1997-98): 103
104th (1995-96): 158
103rd (1993-94): 156
102nd (1991-92): 165
101st (1989-90): 214
It is interesting to see the types of things our legislators want to do the Constitution. Proposed amendments are a reflection of the mood of the nation, or of a subset of the population.

These lists are simple bullets, not detailed examinations of the proposed amendments, the bills that carried them, or the process they went through. If a further examination is desired, a search of the Thomas database can be done.

Please note that some proposed amendments are proposed over and over again in different sessions of Congress. For the sake of brevity, I have used the 102nd Congress as a "baseline" and each subsequent Congress has only new ideas for amendments listed. Also note that just because a proposed amendment is not listed in prior sessions does not mean it was not proposed in prior sessions.

109th Congress (2005-2006)

To ensure reproductive rights of women
To force the Congress and President to agree to a balanced budget, with overspending allowed only in the case of a three-fifths vote of Congress
To ensure that all children who are citizens have a right to a "free and adequate education"
To specifically permit prayer at school meetings and ceremonies
To allow non-natural born citizens to become President if they have been a citizen for 20 years
To specifically allow Congress to regulate the amount of personal funds a candidate to public office can expend in a campaign
To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only citizens
To make the filibuster in the Senate a part of the Constitution
To provide for continuity of government in case of a catastrophic event
The "Every Vote Counts" Amendment - providing for direct election of the President and Vice President, abolishing the Electoral College
To clarify eminent domain, specifically that no takings can be transferred to a private person except for transportation projects
Providing a right to work, for equal pay for equal work, the right to organize, and the right to favorable work conditions
To allow the President to reduce any Congressional appropriation, or to disapprove of same (akin to a line-item veto)
108th Congress (2003-2004)

To lower the age restriction on Representatives and Senators from 30 and 25 respectively to 21
To ensure that citizens of U.S. territories and commonwealths can vote in presidential elections
To guarantee the right to use the word "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and the national motto
To restrict marriage in all states to be between a man and a woman
To remove any protection any court may find for child pornography
To allow Congress to pass laws for emergency replenishment of its membership should more than a quarter of either house be killed
To place Presidential nominees immediately into position, providing the Senate with 120 days to reject the nominee before the appointment is automatically permanent
107th Congress (2001-2002)

Calling for the repeal of the 8th Amendment and its replacement with wording prohibiting incarceration for minor traffic offenses
To specify that progressive income taxes must be used
To specify a right to "equal high quality" health care
To limit pardons granted between October 1 and January 21 of any presidential election year
To require a balanced budget without use of Social Security Trust Fund monies
To allow for any person who has been a citizen of the United States for twenty years or more to be eligible for the Presidency
To force the members of Congress and the President to forfeit their salary, on a per diem basis, for every day past the end of the fiscal year that a budget for that year remains unpassed
106th Congress (1999-2000)

To provide a new method for proposing amendments to the Constitution, where two-thirds of all state legislatures could start the process
To allow Congress to enact campaign spending limits on federal elections
To allow Congress to enact campaign spending limits on state elections
To declare that life begins at conception and that the 5th and 14th amendments apply to unborn children
To prohibit courts from instructing any state or lower government to levy or raise taxes
105th Congress (1997-1998)

To force a national referendum for any deficit spending
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 12 years
To prohibit the early release of convicted criminals
To establish the right to a home
To define the legal effect of international treaties
To clarify that the Constitution neither prohibits nor requires school prayer
To establish judicial terms of office
104th Congress (1995-1996)

To clarify the meaning of the 2nd Amendment
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 6 years
To force a two-thirds vote for any bill that raises taxes
To repeal the 16th Amendment and specifically prohibit an income tax
To provide for removal of any officer of the U.S. convicted of a felony
To permit the States to set term limits for their Representatives and Senators
103rd Congress (1993-1994)

To allow a Presidential pardon of an individual only after said individual has been tried and convicted of a crime
To allow Congress to pass legislation to allow the Supreme Court to remove federal judges from office
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 10 years
To provide for the recall of Representatives and Senators
To remove automatic citizenship of children born in the U.S. to non-resident parents
To enable or repeal laws by popular vote
To define a process to allow amendments to the Constitution be proposed by a popular ("grass-roots") effort
To force a three-fifths vote for any bill that raises taxes
To prohibit retroactive taxation
To provide for run-off Presidential elections if no one candidate receives more than 50% of the vote
To prohibit abortion
To bar imposition on the States of unfunded federal mandates
102nd Congress (1991-1992)

To disallow the desecration of the U.S. Flag
To allow a line-item veto in appropriations bills
To expand the term of Representatives to four years
To force a balanced budget
To prohibit involuntary busing of students
To make English the official language of the United States
To set term limits on Representatives and Senators
To repeal the 22nd Amendment (removing Presidential term limits)
To guarantee a right to employment opportunity for all citizens
To grant protections to unborn children
To provide for "moments of silence" in public schools
To allow Congress to regulate expenditures for and contributions to political campaigns
To provide for the rights of crime victims
To provide for access to medical care for all citizens
To repeal the 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms)
To prohibit the death penalty
To protect the environment
To repeal the 26th Amendment (granting the vote to 18-year olds) and granting the right to vote to 16-year olds
To provide equal rights to men and women

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As an example of the tenacity of some ideas, the desire to repeal the 22nd Amendment is a very popular one. Using the Thomas database, we searched all the way back to the 99th Congress, which started in 1985, for proposals to repeal the 22nd. In 2005, there was a great deal of discussion, and derision, of a new proposal to repeal the 22nd. But the derision, certainly, was unwarranted. Every Congress since the 99th has had at least one proposal with the sole intent of repealing the 22nd. Other proposed amendments to otherwise affect the 22nd, such as replacing the two-term limit with a single six-year term, extend back to at least 1979's 96th Congress, but were not included in this list.
 
From the same article:
Independent experts say providing coverage for all could easily cost more than $1 trillion over 10 years, a figure the Obama administration does not dispute.

I'd be curious to know what companies/employees pay yearly to provide health care for their employees.

Heath care being tied to business stiffles the creation of small businesses. I'm a great case in point. I have a small business that I'd love to make my primary income some day but I could never quit my current job because of of health care.

1 trillion over 10 years is 100 Billion a year which is less then we've been spending in Iraq.
 
1 trillion over 10 years is 100 Billion a year which is less then we've been spending in Iraq.

I wanted to highlight this for emphasis. We all know the Iraq war has brought us nothing in this country.
 
I'd be curious to know what companies/employees pay yearly to provide health care for their employees.

Heath care being tied to business stiffles the creation of small businesses. I'm a great case in point. I have a small business that I'd love to make my primary income some day but I could never quit my current job because of of health care.

1 trillion over 10 years is 100 Billion a year which is less then we've been spending in Iraq.

Very good points.
 
I'd be curious to know what companies/employees pay yearly to provide health care for their employees.

Heath care being tied to business stiffles the creation of small businesses. I'm a great case in point. I have a small business that I'd love to make my primary income some day but I could never quit my current job because of of health care.

1 trillion over 10 years is 100 Billion a year which is less then we've been spending in Iraq.

I know that our CEO is a VERY big fan of universal health care. If we didn't have to spend so much on health care, we could hire more people-or pay the people we have more $$.

So many other nations do it, and do it pretty well. Of course, I'm aware that none of those plans are perfect but neither is what we have now. People fall through the cracks, don't get the care they need when they need it-but the difference in the US is that so many people are one serious illness or one accident away from bankruptcy. People who think they have great coverage find out the hard way that they're on the hook for thousands and thousands of dollars of uncovered expenses.
 
Everyone who is celebrating this spending is aware that it's money we DON'T have right. Every spending bill is simply more debt. This congress is going to spend this county into a shell of it's former self. I'm on 33 and my grandchildren are going to pay for this nonsense!!
 
Everyone who is celebrating this spending is aware that it's money we DON'T have right. Every spending bill is simply more debt. This congress is going to spend this county into a shell of it's former self. I'm on 33 and my grandchildren are going to pay for this nonsense!!

Our grandchildren were already going to pay for the nonsense that took place before Obama became the POTUS :guilty:
 
Our grandchildren were already going to pay for the nonsense that took place before Obama became the POTUS :guilty:

At least now they'll get something for it, instead of it all going to the no-bid contractors in Iraq.
 

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