Fantasy Propulsion Issue

So far there have been no updates for the Feb 1st sailing of the Fantasy from DCL. We board our flight Early tomorrow to head for FL so was really hoping there would be news if they were canceling any of our Western itinerary ports by now. Happily they haven't as of yet so crossing fingers its running better. Makes a difference on what I pack for our excursions :0)

We are headed down to Florida tomorrow as well for the February 1st Fantasy sailing and was hoping nothing gets changed but if it does, it does...nothing we can really do about it!! Happy Cruising all!!

MJ
 
Dream is spending time in dry dock this year. We are on 2 of the Fantasy sailings with a weird set of itineraries. A 3 day Bahamas and a 5 night western.

We were also on the Fantasy post May 2017 dry dock when she had issues on the first 3 nighter that delayed getting back into port for the eastern carib, which was also changed to San Juan instead of Tortola. After a LENGTHY day in port canaveral, they finally shoved off at like 11pm. I figured san juan is a good stop after the days at sea since they won't need passports for US passengers to get them back should they have to abandon the ship. But there was deinetly something that broke after May drydock. Or a fix that didn't hold or something. As you described water was dancing in glasses and there was a significant vibration.

I thought she was supposed to go last year, around August, since the Fantasy took over her routes. But the crane collapse in Grand Bahama delayed her DD to Sept? I forget the timing of hand. I think Scott found a couple of weeks she was missing from the schedule, and was readded later. I wasn't really paying too much attention. Its possible they moved her dd to this year.
 
We are headed down to Florida tomorrow as well for the February 1st Fantasy sailing and was hoping nothing gets changed but if it does, it does...nothing we can really do about it!! Happy Cruising all!!

MJ

Bon Voyage! I know you'll have a great time! Looking forward to a report.
 


I thought she was supposed to go last year, around August, since the Fantasy took over her routes. But the crane collapse in Grand Bahama delayed her DD to Sept? I forget the timing of hand. I think Scott found a couple of weeks she was missing from the schedule, and was readded later. I wasn't really paying too much attention. Its possible they moved her dd to this year.
Yes. In fact they were waiting on dock space schedules when the new itineraries came out. I looks like they'll have time for her in October. In fact they added a 7night eastern followed by a 5 night western for the Dream at the end of the out of service date. I know that we can't take any (lack of) vibration on 2 single voyages as indication for a systemmic design issue, but it would be nice to see the dream cruising at 22kts for extended periods and allow more data points. If there aren't issues I could see the Dream and fantasy swapping routes, which would be interesting for the crews!
 


I was on the Jan 18-25 sailing. Let me tell you, it's my first time on the Fantasy, and my 11th cruise. One of the nights was the most frightening I have ever experienced. I'll preface it by saying, I had to go down to deck one and take their sea sickness pills 3 nights, but the last night (Thursday) the boat was rocking so significantly, that I was planning my escape route in my head and took 2 hours to fall asleep (how will I get my kids and head safely to the muster area kind of planning). It was bad. We missed the two ports, and I get that we don't get compensated (but boy is it hard not getting off a boat from M afternoon until F morning. What makes me angry is that reading your posts (and I'm familiar with many of your specialist background, b/c I love reading threads you're involved in), tells me this is an issue. YET, for our sailing they blamed all issues on the weather, and then gave the NEXT sailing (which I imagine is still traveling to ports, with the one switch out replacement in San Juan). What exactly are they getting compensated for? Our sailing was a poop show, and one that will likely turn me away from DCL for a bit (which is something I NEVER thought would happen). I don't really have a question in this, if not to say... wouldn't mechanical issues make it more rocky, without adequate stabilization, and 2, wouldn't mechanical issues (ie.. traveling at a slower speed) impact DCL's ability to find an alternate port to go to... b/c the rumors on our ship were that we wouldn't be able to make it anywhere else in time, and still get to Castaway by Friday). The handling of it all, and the lack of transparency really put a bad taste in my mouth. And I've always been one of those that understands, hey, you can't change the weather... if that was the only cause of 2 missed ports. Ok, I've vented. I'm better now. :)
 
Yes. In fact they were waiting on dock space schedules when the new itineraries came out. I looks like they'll have time for her in October. In fact they added a 7night eastern followed by a 5 night western for the Dream at the end of the out of service date. I know that we can't take any (lack of) vibration on 2 single voyages as indication for a systemmic design issue, but it would be nice to see the dream cruising at 22kts for extended periods and allow more data points. If there aren't issues I could see the Dream and fantasy swapping routes, which would be interesting for the crews!
Thank you. Hadnt really kept up with what happened after that. I was pretty busy workwise the last 3 or so months of last year.

This is just my 2 cents, but I think if the Dream was having the same issue as the Fantasy, we should have seen it by now. She runs 20 knotts give or take coming from CC 2x a week, and at or near it going to Nassau, so the vibration should have manifested itself by now. Plus the Magic class, don't seem to have the same issues the Fantasy does, and they have almost identical power systems. Fantasy, for what ever the reason is the problem child so to speak. Im thinking that the Fantasy has a similar issue to the Queen Mary 2. Shes been know to blow parts of her high voltage system thru bulkhead doors on a fairly regular basis, which results in loss of speed for similar period of time.
 
I was on the Jan 18-25 sailing. Let me tell you, it's my first time on the Fantasy, and my 11th cruise. One of the nights was the most frightening I have ever experienced. I'll preface it by saying, I had to go down to deck one and take their sea sickness pills 3 nights, but the last night (Thursday) the boat was rocking so significantly, that I was planning my escape route in my head and took 2 hours to fall asleep (how will I get my kids and head safely to the muster area kind of planning). It was bad. We missed the two ports, and I get that we don't get compensated (but boy is it hard not getting off a boat from M afternoon until F morning. What makes me angry is that reading your posts (and I'm familiar with many of your specialist background, b/c I love reading threads you're involved in), tells me this is an issue. YET, for our sailing they blamed all issues on the weather, and then gave the NEXT sailing (which I imagine is still traveling to ports, with the one switch out replacement in San Juan). What exactly are they getting compensated for? Our sailing was a poop show, and one that will likely turn me away from DCL for a bit (which is something I NEVER thought would happen). I don't really have a question in this, if not to say... wouldn't mechanical issues make it more rocky, without adequate stabilization, and 2, wouldn't mechanical issues (ie.. traveling at a slower speed) impact DCL's ability to find an alternate port to go to... b/c the rumors on our ship were that we wouldn't be able to make it anywhere else in time, and still get to Castaway by Friday). The handling of it all, and the lack of transparency really put a bad taste in my mouth. And I've always been one of those that understands, hey, you can't change the weather... if that was the only cause of 2 missed ports. Ok, I've vented. I'm better now. :)

Feel free to vent away.
Let me see if I can clear up a few things.
If Im not mistaken, your cruise was a western, which should have stopped at Cozumel, Grand Cayman, and Jamaica and then the usual Castaway Cay. So if Im understanding this correctly, Grand Cayman and Jamaica were canceled due to weather. Im not sure on Jamaica, but Grand Cayman is on the list of frequently canceled due to weather. Reason is that its a tender port, which means the ship anchors or uses a dps to stay in 1 spot off shore, and smaller boats come out and ferry passengers to and from the ship and shore. So even if the ship comes in and can anchor or hold her position off shore, the tenders may not be able to make it to the ships safely so they stay tied to the pier. In that case the lines skip the island and either find somewhere else to go, or just slow down and head for there next stop.
For Jamaica, I honestly cant say but its possible that the port was closed due to weather. I know we had a pretty strong cold front come thru Fl last week, and its possible it made it to the carribean in that time frame.

The difference between your cruise, and the one that ends tom, is that the 25th cruise, had a issue that severely limited the ships speed, and required a stop in San Juan for parts and to fix. Your cruise, the ship never had power problems, and full power capability. Only weather. Im not saying its right, but thats the difference.
This time of year is a tough time to cruise the Caribbean. Its 50/50 at best if the ship makes CC, let alone the other stops. Basically from Nov to about April is the roughest time in the Caribbean and Bahamas. Typically my family cruises Late August to Nov. Its the cheaper times of year, and the most reliable in terms of getting into ports.

As far as how bad the sea state is, vs how a ship reacts, theres a lot of factors. Which way is the ship heading vs the seas, which way is wind blowing vs the current, how fast is the wind blowing, what is the wave interval,(the closer the interval, the faster they are coming) how deep is the water, how is the ship ballasted........ That, plus a bunch of other factors, all play in to wave height, direction, ships motion etc. With that said, a ship can only do so much to remain stable. The stabilizers on the ships, work well to dampen the side to side motion, but wont do much if anything for pitching, which is the bow going up and down. This is where the ships heading vs the seas come in. A lot of times, depending on your location on the ship, it can feel like the ship is rolling pretty far. Realistically, its probably not rolling that much. The further you are from the ships center of gravity, the more pronounced the movement becomes. For passengers that may be susceptible to anxiety or motion sickness, inside rooms midship nearest to deck 1 or 2 depending on what class ship your on, are the best for minimal movement.

The Fantasy, has 2 known issues. 1 is near constant, which is the vibration that everyone can feel and see, usually aft, like in Animators, or the aft cabins. Thats the one that has been there since the ship was delivered, and for what ever the reason, has not been corrected. The issue that the Jan 25th cruise had/has pops up every so often. It may be related to the vibration issue, and it may not. But the severely limited speed has popped up at least twice that I can remember, and possibly 3 times. This one has no ryhme or reason, just all of a sudden, something fails and the ship has reduced speed.
 
Thanks for your helpful insight. I definitely agree that we didn't visit our stops due to weather. Jamaica is typically Falmouth, which was a no-go, so they tried circling around to Ocho Rios, also a no-go.

And yes, I was seventh deck Aft. I went outside on the Veranda (living on the edge), and there were definite swells, but that Thursday night was so much worse than anything else. Then the dive team showed up Friday at CC and "reports" from land while we were on our cruise indicated we didn't get beyond 17 knots. So our week just felt it "did" impact our journey, and were shocked that the next cruise were compensated (and ironically, a Star Wars "celebrity"--some lady from one of the animated shows) was on the next itinerary, so there was speculation that it would be broadcast that the change was not compensated.)

Anyway, long story short... I cruise b/c I love Disney and I love Castaway Cay. I really can't justify the jump in price for the 7-nt, if weather turns it into a similar offering of what I get from my 3-4nt Dream voyages or the really fun 5nt Miami Magic we went on as well.

But thanks @truck1, I really appreciate your response! One day I'll dive further in to the engineering side of things and learn more about it all.
 
As I have remarked before, Fantasy is a flawed ship and should be sent into dry dock. For all we know, Dream may also have a similar problem. The November sailings for Dream aren't the real test. The rougher winter waters in January through March are. If Dream had had no issues, they would have swapped out the itineraries a while ago.

The underlying vibration problem could be structural and may need a yard such as the one in Papenberg (Germany). Then there are the contracts in place with the ports. They might find it cheaper to deploy both ships on shorter or "slow" itineraries once the new ships arrive.
 
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Thanks for your helpful insight. I definitely agree that we didn't visit our stops due to weather. Jamaica is typically Falmouth, which was a no-go, so they tried circling around to Ocho Rios, also a no-go.

And yes, I was seventh deck Aft. I went outside on the Veranda (living on the edge), and there were definite swells, but that Thursday night was so much worse than anything else. Then the dive team showed up Friday at CC and "reports" from land while we were on our cruise indicated we didn't get beyond 17 knots. So our week just felt it "did" impact our journey, and were shocked that the next cruise were compensated (and ironically, a Star Wars "celebrity"--some lady from one of the animated shows) was on the next itinerary, so there was speculation that it would be broadcast that the change was not compensated.)

Anyway, long story short... I cruise b/c I love Disney and I love Castaway Cay. I really can't justify the jump in price for the 7-nt, if weather turns it into a similar offering of what I get from my 3-4nt Dream voyages or the really fun 5nt Miami Magic we went on as well.

But thanks @truck1, I really appreciate your response! One day I'll dive further in to the engineering side of things and learn more about it all.

No problem. I went back and did some fast calculations on what the average speed should have been. More for curiosity since you mentioned people tracking saw 16 knots fairly consistently. The divers at CC are a fairly normal occurrence. They've been seen at just about every port in the Caribbean on the DCL ships. According the current regulations, they ships need a in water bottom inspection every so often. Usually, about once every 18 months or so, unless there's an issue. I personally have seen them at Port Canaveral. I have a picture somewhere. Just not sure where it is at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if they get in water bottom cleaning regularly also to help with fuel consumption and hull efficiency.

These are some quick estimates based on some guess work as far as which route the Fantasy would actually travel, as there are several options available for several legs. This is also off google maps. If I tried pulling out a chart, and use a parrallel ruler, and dividers, my 2 year old would think its play time, and Ill never see them again, or shell use them as a weapon on me or the dogs. Im still looking for my digital calipers. If you want to figure itins out your self, take the distance, divide it by the hours the ship would be at sea, which gives you mph. Divide that number, by 1.15 (its 1.15 mph in 1 knot) and you have the ships aprox. speed in knots. Theres more to it, like the ships speed buid up coming out of a port, the slow down as they approach, sea conditions, but that gets you in the ball park.

Cozumel to Grand Cayman is roughly 400 miles in 17 hours is roughly 20 knots. This also depends on when the ship found out that the port was closed. If they knew leaving Cozumel that the port was closed, it would affect the rest of the legs. If that's the case, then Cozumel to Falmouth is roughly 650 miles at 38 hours to make the scheduled arrival time, which is 14 knots.
Port Canaveral to Belize is roughly 820 miles, at 40 hours is 17-18 knots. Depends on the track.
Grand Cayman to Falmouth is roughly 250 miles, which is 16 knots.
Falmouth to Ochos Rios is roughly 70 that would be 2 or 3 hours at about 17 or 18 knots.
Ochos Rios to CC is roughly 730 miles depending on which route they run. The one I plotted runs east of Nassau and is fairly shallow which may explain your rough ride. Assuming a roughly 8 am arrival, its about 15 knots over the course of 44 hours, assuming the Capt gave up at noon in Jamaica on Weds
CC to the sea buoy off PC is 270 miles, which assuming a 12 hour run is 20 knots give or take. This is a given, as the DCL ships arrive in port at roughly the same time which is between 5 and 6 am.

So yes, I can see where someone tracking you by ship tracker or any of the other tracking apps, would see that the ship is doing less then 17 knots on a regular basis.
 
So yes, I can see where someone tracking you by ship tracker or any of the other tracking apps, would see that the ship is doing less then 17 knots on a regular basis.

As someone who went to a "nerd high school for science and math" many moons ago, I loved reading this. Thank you! I'm just going to chalk our cruise up to bad luck. I didn't realize Jan was such a risky time to travel in the Caribbean. Our Miami Magic Jan cruise was so nice 2 years ago. Guess it's when you go further south? Anyway, thanks again for your thoughtful response. That was fun.
 
CC to the sea buoy off PC is 270 miles, which assuming a 12 hour run is 20 knots give or take. This is a given, as the DCL ships arrive in port at roughly the same time which is between 5 and 6 am.
Sounds like lighthouse point might be a stretch then for a 3 night cruise. 4 night itineraries might fare better with a sea day to help reduce the distance.
 
I was at Castaway Key last week and there was a crew on the pier prepping parts, diving equipment etc. waiting for the Fantasy to arrive the next day.
 
Is this an issue that could potentially impact our April cruise?
 

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