Alexis56578
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I'm not sure that they'll limit sales themselves since I expect rides to be limited just like Fastpasses were. There will only be so many available Space Mountain passes
Theoretically, yes. Sales of Genie+ will have a cap. But IMO, that cap will be very high and will likely almost never be met. Disney can just adjust the LL-to-standby ratio in order to keep the LL queue moving efficiently.One possible reason to book Genie+ in advance for your whole trip: what if it sells out? I can imagine Disney limiting the number of Genie+ sales per day (perhaps on a park by park basis, based on park reservations). Otherwise, on a crowded day, too many people will buy Genie+, which will make the LL lines so long that everyone who bought it will complain about not getting their money's worth.
If there is a danger that Genie+ will sell out, you might want to buy it well in advance to make sure you get it before supplies run out. Which, in turn, will necessitate your purchasing it for your whole trip, including your EPCOT and AK days, even though it isn't really worth it for those parks given the no re-rides rule. Which, in turn, will make even more money for Disney.
On the other hand, I can see Disney selling Genie+ to as many people as are willing to pay for it, and when they complain that the LL line is 45 minutes long, saying, "Well, it's still less than half the standby wait, so you got your money's worth!"
What do people think? Will sales be limited?
But then, if I purchase Genie+ for a day and am only able to get a couple of LL passes (and nothing for the best rides), I’m going to be very angry and demand my money back.I'm not sure that they'll limit sales themselves since I expect rides to be limited just like Fastpasses were. There will only be so many available Space Mountain passes
I find incredible that the communication from disney has been so poor about this. So many unanswered questions and uncertain points. I can't believe anyone booking any other holiday with so many unknown points, especially considering that time spent in a line could make or break a vacation.
Theoretically, yes. Sales of Genie+ will have a cap. But IMO, that cap will be very high and will likely almost never be met. Disney can just adjust the LL-to-standby ratio in order to keep the LL queue moving efficiently.
The issue though is false equivalency between G+ and express pass. They are nowhere near the same products.
I doubt there will be a cap. FP+ was open to everyone (and not everyone used it. Same thing will happen with genie+) I do think this is the reason for one ride only. Keeps availability open for more people to buy into genie+.
Disney has never been good at communicating all the ins and outs of its convoluted rules, and I think that's intentional. Back in the Fastpass+ days, there were certain combinations of fastpasses that could not be booked together as your first three fastpasses booked at Epcot, Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios. Many Disney blogs knew what they were and wrote articles describing which attractions were in Tier 1, which in Tier 2, and what the rules were about using them. Disney itself never, to the best of my knowledge (and I am at least somewhat knowledgeable on the subject), said what attractions were in what tier, or what the rules were about how many attractions you could book from a given tier. We have to credit the bloggers for figuring it out and letting the rest of us know. Genie+ is at least partially the successor to Fastpass+. The fact that Disney's announcements have been vague should not be surprising. Not communicating "the rules" gives Disney the flexibility to make changes without violating its own rules.I find incredible that the communication from disney has been so poor about this. So many unanswered questions and uncertain points. I can't believe anyone booking any other holiday with so many unknown points, especially considering that time spent in a line could make or break a vacation.
I've used maxpass. I liked maxpass, and it was pleasantly easy to avoid most of the lines on maxpass attractions. I found it was worth the price over paper fastpass.I know this is very new for WDW but the more info comes out about the more it is incredibly similar to maxpass just with those additions lightening lanes uncharged.
I've used maxpass. I liked maxpass, and it was pleasantly easy to avoid most of the lines on maxpass attractions. I found it was worth the price over paper fastpass.
However, if we're limited to one genie+ pass per attraction - that's a significant change to the value proposition. I'm waiting to see how it comes out, but I'm dubious of the utility for my particular traveling party.
Disney has never been good at communicating all the ins and outs of its convoluted rules, and I think that's intentional. Back in the Fastpass+ days, there were certain combinations of fastpasses that could not be booked together as your first three fastpasses booked at Epcot, Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios. Many Disney blogs knew what they were and wrote articles describing which attractions were in Tier 1, which in Tier 2, and what the rules were about using them. Disney itself never, to the best of my knowledge (and I am at least somewhat knowledgeable on the subject), said what attractions were in what tier, or what the rules were about how many attractions you could book from a given tier. We have to credit the bloggers for figuring it out and letting the rest of us know. Genie+ is at least partially the successor to Fastpass+. The fact that Disney's announcements have been vague should not be surprising. Not communicating "the rules" gives Disney the flexibility to make changes without violating its own rules.
Maybe you can make it exactly clearer what you are saying because you just bolded their post and told them they were wrong. If your intention was that you loved the ride and wanted to ride it over and over it appears you would be willing to do that again in the standby line or be willing to pay once to do it with the new system. What cryptic message were you trying to state by bolding part of their post and then Laughing at them that they don’t understand what you meant. I think the poster totally understood that you were saying his impression of “underwhelmed” was just wrong.
Personally I rode the ride. It was neat. Everyone should experience it at least once if they like Star Wars. But in my opinion and many others it’s not necessarily the best ride in the world. If you aren’t a Star Wars fanatic and thrilled with seeing all the nuances of the characters you love (or hate) it’s just a fun ride. I will say it is a longer ride so if you do wait in standby at least you get a longer ride at the end.
Yup. And the two parks are close enough that you can pop between them fairly easily. It's a lot slower to change parks at Disney World (although DHS/Epcot could make a nice G+ pairing)I agree with you. If you are someone who likes to re-ride in the same day then this won't work well for that. I think that works at Disneyland because when go there and have a 4-5 day tickets you will be in the same parks for those days...
I look forward to this release and can’t wait to have faster lines again. Disney is finally catching up to every other amusement/theme park by charging for access to express lines.
I'm betting you have to take the next available time. Otherwise slots early in the day could go unused, and later in the day could become "booked". And having later in the day booked makes it harder to keep selling Genie+. People really aren't going to buy it all day long, but they'll stop much earlier in the day if things are booked up in advance for what remains of their day.No I did agree with you that they said that.
They also say purchasing the Genie+ ""... lets you select arrival windows ..." for the Lightning Lanes. Inconsistent information, makes me feel like they are so busy talking it up they aren't reading what they are saying. They are telling you how to buy this right down to the details .... but not very clear on how it will actually work.
I'm betting you have to take the next available time. Otherwise slots early in the day could go unused, and later in the day could become "booked". And having later in the day booked makes it harder to keep selling Genie+. People really aren't going to buy it all day long, but they'll stop much earlier in the day if things are booked up in advance for what remains of their day.
If it's anything like legacy FP, you could just hold off booking until times advance to a window that doesn't conflict with your ADR. Many times I watched the return times advance to get a time that worked for us.Oh dining reservations are going to be a nightmare with this crap. You are basically given a time to come back to ride that you can't modify. So if it ends up on your dining reservation, tough luck. Fast pass was free so I could deal with that problem ( I also had much advance notice to make fast pass time selections )
At least with fast pass I can religiously look at my phone to get what I want sooner or later
Yes, sorry, I was talking about Genie+.what I understand is you can choose your time for the upcharge lightening lane rides- the two per day you can use to pay to pass the line.
for just genie plus you choose the next available time.
But you can get the unlimited plan free for the length of your stay at their hotel that's comparable in price to a Disney moderate these days.Yes Universal provides a superior product but it's also at least 5x more expensive.
The "once per attraction" thing is a significant downgrade. But the fact that headliners aren't included is another. You used to be able to get RSR with MaxPass without paying extra. And those parks are side by side, so almost like one big park. So easy to access to every single ride every single day you had a park hopper.I've used maxpass. I liked maxpass, and it was pleasantly easy to avoid most of the lines on maxpass attractions. I found it was worth the price over paper fastpass.
However, if we're limited to one genie+ pass per attraction - that's a significant change to the value proposition. I'm waiting to see how it comes out, but I'm dubious of the utility for my particular traveling party.