A perk like that is able to work at Universal due to it being a less popular park than WDW. I don't see Disney giving that perk to WDW annual passholders if they did start selling a premier pass. Kind of like how Disney would never give deluxe resorts free Fastpass. I see a lot of people say that they only stay at the pricier Universal hotels just to get Express. Disney doesn't need to give an incentive for people to stay at their deluxe resorts. They're selling out anyway.I'm fine with copying the universal method. Just also give top tier annual pass holders the express after 4 too!
They could exclude the tier1 rides and include shows. They’re very creative in this regard.At WDW i would doubt that something like this is coming down the pipeline. It works for smaller/ less congested parks (ie Paris, and Universal). I just don't know how how a park as busy as WDW would be able to guarantee 12
Either way 12 rides a day guaranteed is still crazy to wrap my mind around, maybe I’m wrong, it just seems insaneThey could exclude the tier1 rides and include shows. They’re very creative in this regard.
I believe they want to lower pass holders attendance as people who are flying in staying onsite are the big spenders (suckers like us who still haven’t bought DVC or annual passes).I don't think from a PARK to PARK situation universal attendance is too dissimilar to Disney lately. Universal studios and IOA both average around 10-11 million. Fairly comparable to Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom. Magic Kingdom obviously blows that out of the water.
But yeah, the hotel aspect is true.
I don't see them giving that perk to annual passholders either because they don't have to. There is no incentive for them to do it, especially since people are begging to buy annual passes right now. I'm just wishing. lol
This, and it will be tiered pricing like Universal. For instance, at the end of May right now, its $259.99 for a single use express pass for one park. With the amount people pay for trips, the number they sell will be limited. It would definitely work.They could exclude the tier1 rides and include shows. They’re very creative in this regard.
I don't think from a PARK to PARK situation universal attendance is too dissimilar to Disney lately. Universal studios and IOA both average around 10-11 million. Fairly comparable to Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom. Magic Kingdom obviously blows that out of the water.
But yeah, the hotel aspect is true.
I don't see them giving that perk to annual passholders either because they don't have to. There is no incentive for them to do it, especially since people are begging to buy annual passes right now. I'm just wishing. lol
Can we honestly say we won’t miss Genie+? What will this new pass be called? Robbinghood?This, and it will be tiered pricing like Universal. For instance, at the end of May right now, its $259.99 for a single use express pass for one park. With the amount people pay for trips, the number they sell will be limited. It would definitely work.
But that didn’t stop them from implementing a pay per ride system even though Genie+ is not worth it in AK and Epcot (you don’t save 3 hours)And if you add up the fast pass worthy attractions at the two parks at Universal and the three parks at Disney (not including MK), Universal has more.
The average here is about 2 hours, taking MK and HS out of the mix it is a little better than 90 minutes. saving up to 2 hours a day doesn't seem terrible in my mind that seems pretty reasonable. I agree you don't need it for AK, & EP, but I can see where there is some value thereBut that didn’t stop them from implementing a pay per ride system even though Genie+ is not worth it in AK and Epcot (you don’t save 3 hours)
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For us, we bought it for our entire trip because Epcot was checkin and checkout day so we had limited time and AK day we sleep in and go late or use the evening as a pool day. We have to utilize rider switch so any time saved (even 114 mins) is worth it for us.The average here is about 2 hours, taking MK and HS out of the mix it is a little better than 90 minutes. saving up to 2 hours a day doesn't seem terrible in my mind that seems pretty reasonable. I agree you don't need it for AK, & EP, but I can see where there is some value there
It doesn’t matter how many genie+ worthy rides are there. I’m sure it will be worded as ‘up to 12 rides’. The goal is not to save you time as much as it is to reduce the number of people buying while making more money than the current system.And if you add up the fast pass worthy attractions at the two parks at Universal and the three parks at Disney (not including MK), Universal has more.
I think this chart is only semi-true. If you win the G+ lottery, then yes, G+ saves time.But that didn’t stop them from implementing a pay per ride system even though Genie+ is not worth it in AK and Epcot (you don’t save 3 hours)
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Some of the pitfalls you've listed here were the same with FP+, especially when talking about ride availability, or time spent in the park. I can't tell you how many passes we used to leave on the table because we wanted to go back and relax by the pool. Biggest difference to me is that the price isn't baked into admission, and you don't have them ahead of time, those are not in any way small changes, but i think the rest is relatively the same as FP+I think this chart is only semi-true. If you win the G+ lottery, then yes, G+ saves time.
If you don't win the lottery (HS, AK), then the value is less apparent. I don't think it is really ever worthwhile at Epcot. For one thing, a G+ is of questionable value for Soarin', because the G+ queue for Soarin' is relatively slow -not anywhere near as fast as most G+ queues. . So that really only leaves Test Track.
And with any given ride, the waits are going to be variable over the course of a day, not a fixed number. Magic Kingdom has enough attractions to even out the crowds a bit. If you don't get Jungle Cruise, you still have multiple very worthwhile attractions for round 1, plus a solpid pool of worthwhile second round of attractions for your 2nd and 3rd passes. In Epcot, you may well be able to ride TT with a minimal wait.
In HS, if you miss Slinky...that's a big hit. though I tend to think HS is about to be far less popular. Call me when Slinky passes are available until 10am. Then G+ will be less of a gamble, but the value of G+ might look even more like Epcot.
The other maybe problem with trying to create a chart like this is that G+ value depends on how many hours you can be in the park. If you can be there all day- more value. If you are in the park from noon to close/picking passes at 7am- decent value. If however, you can only stay until 2pm, G+ is of minimal value.
In this case, average is of some value, but also somewhat unreliable, IMO.
To some extent that is true, as you say, FP+ was not an upcharge. I left many paper FP on the table, but not FP+. With every minute now monetized, every minute counts.Some of the pitfalls you've listed here were the same with FP+, especially when talking about ride availability, or time spent in the park. I can't tell you how many passes we used to leave on the table because we wanted to go back and relax by the pool. Biggest difference to me is that the price isn't baked into admission, and you don't have them ahead of time, those are not in any way small changes, but i think the rest is relatively the same as FP+
Here is a comparison Molly vs Quincy; personally I saved about 4,000 steps with Genie+.I think this chart is only semi-true. If you win the G+ lottery, then yes, G+ saves time.
If you don't win the lottery (HS, AK), then the value is less apparent. I don't think it is really ever worthwhile at Epcot. For one thing, a G+ is of questionable value for Soarin', because the G+ queue for Soarin' is relatively slow -not anywhere near as fast as most G+ queues. . So that really only leaves Test Track.
And with any given ride, the waits are going to be variable over the course of a day, not a fixed number. Magic Kingdom has enough attractions to even out the crowds a bit. If you don't get Jungle Cruise, you still have multiple very worthwhile attractions for round 1, plus a solpid pool of worthwhile second round of attractions for your 2nd and 3rd passes. In Epcot, you may well be able to ride TT with a minimal wait.
In HS, if you miss Slinky...that's a big hit. though I tend to think HS is about to be far less popular. Call me when Slinky passes are available until 10am. Then G+ will be less of a gamble, but the value of G+ might look even more like Epcot.
The other maybe problem with trying to create a chart like this is that G+ value depends on how many hours you can be in the park. If you can be there all day- more value. If you are in the park from noon to close/picking passes at 7am- decent value. If however, you can only stay until 2pm, G+ is of minimal value.
In this case, average is of some value, but also somewhat unreliable, IMO.
Here is a comparison Molly vs Quincy; personally I saved about 4,000 steps with Genie+.
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