Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[musika]

Biden announced last night that vaccines should be open to all adults by May 1. He also said that there would be upcoming guidance on travel if you have been vaccinated. The idea of a "Vaccine Travel Passport" is picking up steam. There is a lot of demand to be able to travel. I would bet that sometime in April we will start seeing changes to the travel restrictions and hopefully Disney can begin to open up more. I would bet that if the "Vaccine Travel Passport" becomes reality then things can really start to open up but you would need to present this passport before you can fly, cruise, hotel, etc.

I'll be watching to see how they implement this concept internationally.

 

[mrsap]

Disney Cruise Line Names Hubert Rolle as Island Operations Director for Castaway Cay

 

[hereforthechurros]

Well, this would be one reason why: COVID-19 outbreak declared at another B.C. care home where more than 80% of residents were vaccinated | CBC News

I just feel like cruising was already a higher-risk environment due to its nature. So I wouldn't be comfortable with it. Then again, I'm coming from an area of very low transmission so limiting my exposure just seems reasonable to me.

The vaccine does not kill coronavirus. It triggers an immune response which stops cases from being severe or causing death. There was another poster in here where her doctor’s office were all vaccinated, then tested positive but had no symptoms. These stories of course are all anecdotal. You can still get coronavirus after being vaccinated but it will prevent you from being very ill in most cases, which keeps our healthcare infrastructure from collapsing. Sounds like in the case of this nursing home it did it’s job because the cases were mild.

Larger studies are showing that once a vaccinated and out of the two week window where your body has some immunity, there is a low chance of you transmitting even if you are infected.

 

[Missingmypooh]

Biden announced last night that vaccines should be open to all adults by May 1. He also said that there would be upcoming guidance on travel if you have been vaccinated. The idea of a "Vaccine Travel Passport" is picking up steam. There is a lot of demand to be able to travel. I would bet that sometime in April we will start seeing changes to the travel restrictions and hopefully Disney can begin to open up more. I would bet that if the "Vaccine Travel Passport" becomes reality then things can really start to open up but you would need to present this passport before you can fly, cruise, hotel, etc.

I just don’t see vaccine passports taking off *because* only 80% of adults have smartphones.
AND it would be disproportionately problematic for minorities, those with little education, and those making under 40k a year... as those groups have less than average smart phone usership.

those groups are also less likely to have availability to the vaccine depending on transportation, work schedule, and medical history.

is this what we want? More people unable to access care because of more hoops?

it not really a debate for a forum, but I can see this heading to court.

 

[jdrasin]

The only thing that terrifies me about a cruise right now is the ship being quarantined for weeks out at sea. I. Would. Die!

We used to cruise quite a bit and that scenario is why we don't think we will again.

 

[J-Dog]

Well, this would be one reason why: COVID-19 outbreak declared at another B.C. care home where more than 80% of residents were vaccinated | CBC News

I just feel like cruising was already a higher-risk environment due to its nature. So I wouldn't be comfortable with it. Then again, I'm coming from an area of very low transmission so limiting my exposure just seems reasonable to me.

Your citation doesn't mention anything about how sick/dead any of those people are - making it possible/likely that they only suffered mild cases. That's the point of the vaccine anyway.

So yes, IMO, I would still eagerly go on a cruise with a low chance of getting mild symptoms, rather than continue to isolate at home and let the world pass me by.

 

[J-Dog]

We used to cruise quite a bit and that scenario is why we don't think we will again.

But, once vaccines are widely available, what would be their justification to quarantine the boat at sea?

 

[Missingmypooh]

But, once vaccines are widely available, what would be their justification to quarantine the boat at sea?

well, there’s hundreds of recorded variants (no this isn’t in the news, it’s a doctor on twitter telling everyone that freaking out over a variant is silly because they have hundreds documented as most go absolutely no where)

it could be that quarantining a virulent ship for a few days to do testing would be a really good idea. Especially since most people would be vaccinated and any moderate to severe cases will warrant an investigation.

it’s gotta be a case by case basis though as we learn more about the vaccines.

the risk will likely *****always**** be there from
Now on. Infectious diseases are dime a dozen and wether it’s 2 years or 15 years, the government could quarantine a ship based on the infection.

but this risk is why I personally am not stepping foot on a cruise ship for years. Between young kids and food allergies a quarantine at sea could be potential deadly (not covid, Allergy related)

 

[bookbabe626]

Well, this would be one reason why: COVID-19 outbreak declared at another B.C. care home where more than 80% of residents were vaccinated | CBC News

I just feel like cruising was already a higher-risk environment due to its nature. So I wouldn't be comfortable with it. Then again, I'm coming from an area of very low transmission so limiting my exposure just seems reasonable to me.

The outbreak they‘re talking about is 2 people (one staff, one resident) in a residence where not everyone was vaccinated and not everyone had passed the waiting period for the vaccines to become fully effective.

It’s an entirely different situation from what is rumoured for cruising, where ALL staff and passengers will have to be vaccinated and (I’m assuming) be past the effectiveness waiting period to board.

Personally, I’m more worried that cruising (and other travel) will start up again around the world and we Canadians will be left out due to our government’s complete lack of ability to acquire and administer vaccines in a timely fashion.

 

[J-Dog]

well, there’s hundreds of recorded variants (no this isn’t in the news, it’s a doctor on twitter telling everyone that freaking out over a variant is silly because they have hundreds documented as most go absolutely no where)

it could be that quarantining a virulent ship for a few days to do testing would be a really good idea. Especially since most people would be vaccinated and any moderate to severe cases will warrant an investigation.

it’s gotta be a case by case basis though as we learn more about the vaccines.

the risk will likely *****always**** be there from
Now on. Infectious diseases are dime a dozen and wether it’s 2 years or 15 years, the government could quarantine a ship based on the infection.

but this risk is why I personally am not stepping foot on a cruise ship for years. Between young kids and food allergies a quarantine at sea could be potential deadly (not covid, Allergy related)

Yes, but you're talking about quarantines for any type of infection, and yes, I agree that would be a possibility/risk with any cruise. It's happened in the past due to Norovirus.

But after Covid vaccination, that will just a "bad luck" kind of thing - not very likely and especially not likely from Covid if they are requiring vaccines to cruise.

As we have seen with this whole pandemic, everyone's risk-tolerance for anything will vary.

 

[Missingmypooh]

Yes, but you're talking about quarantines for any type of infection, and yes, I agree that would be a possibility/risk with any cruise. It's happened in the past due to Norovirus.

But after Covid vaccination, that will just a "bad luck" kind of thing - not very likely and especially not likely from Covid if they are requiring vaccines to cruise.

As we have seen with this whole pandemic, everyone's risk-tolerance for anything will vary.

for sure!

I just thing the stats will show that your odds of being quarantined are likely higher than a plane crash.

both still minimal, but there’s enough trepidation and secondary PTSD to warrant a sub group of people from cruising.

 

[Khobbs18]

covering up fast pass signage...

 

[hereforthechurros]

This probably only matters to me but the Spring roll cart has reopened for spring break crowds! With a price hike. $9.50 for two.
https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2021...pens-with-a-secret-menu-item-in-disney-world/

 

[keishashadow]

just don’t see vaccine passports taking off *because* only 80% of adults have smartphones.
AND it would be disproportionately problematic for minorities, those with little education, and those making under 40k a year... as those groups have less than average smart phone usership.

those groups are also less likely to have availability to the vaccine depending on transportation, work schedule, and medical history.

is this what we want? More people unable to access care because of more hoops?

I’m not sure the demographics you mention are necessarily interested in vaccine passports when it comes to travel purposes.

I do see vaccine passports being popular if it would precludes needing to test negative before entry to certain places (Hawaii, for one). Don’t think the airlines would embrace as mandatory, they want to fill those seats.

Unfortunatley, the vaccine card I have looks ridiculously easy to fudge with a basic printer. Facts can be confirmed from provider site where the vaccine was admistered. Not sure as to status of a single, national data base that would be able to easily produce/confirm the info.

Perhaps, adding the info to driver’s licenses/state ID cards would be efficient and far cheaper for the consumer than a system like Clear’s health pass.

 

[rpb718]

I'm a bit late today in mentioning this, but happy birthday to this thread. It was 1 year ago today this thread was started.

 

[1GoldenSun]

I'm a bit late today in mentioning this, but happy birthday to this thread. It was 1 year ago today this thread was started.

I can't believe it never got shut down! This is mostly thanks to Ryan's fine curating skills.

 

[Eeyore daily]

I can't believe it never got shut down! This is mostly thanks to Ryan's fine curating skills.

It was temporarily shut down though...

 

[Missingmypooh]

I’m not sure the demographics you mention are necessarily interested in vaccine passports when it comes to travel purposes.

I do see vaccine passports being popular if it would precludes needing to test negative before entry to certain places (Hawaii, for one). Don’t think the airlines would embrace as mandatory, they want to fill those seats.

Unfortunatley, the vaccine card I have looks ridiculously easy to fudge with a basic printer. Facts can be confirmed from provider site where the vaccine was admistered. Not sure as to status of a single, national data base that would be able to easily produce/confirm the info.

Perhaps, adding the info to driver’s licenses/state ID cards would be efficient and far cheaper for the consumer than a system like Clear’s health pass.

I’ve rewritten this like 3 times, because I’m being sensitive, but I don’t think your wrong keishashadow.

the demographics I mentioned would likely not be interested in a vaccine passport.

But that begs the question. If they are required, for how long? Poor people watch Disney channel just like other income levels. Poor kids beg to have a mickey stuffy from the Walmart toy aisle because they don’t understand they’re poor. Those parents might try to figure out a budget vacation. I’m not trying to be defensive, just realistic. Would Disney truly be only for an “elite class”?

These people, especially Florida and Georgia residents who can drive, would be interested in a once in a lifetime trip. I know this because I taught at a title one school. Not all of the students got to go, but about 50% of them went for at least one day as a very special vacation. I know you didn’t imply anything- but for anyone else reading- these demographics still want travel even if they can’t afford it. Everyone wants the best for their kids. Sometimes that BBB at Disney springs and dinner at trex because tickets are too expensive. Should they be denied the right to try to find a magical trip option?

secondly, and while not theme park related, could these passports snowball into a requirement for everything travel and pleasure related (sports, movies etc?). Would the gov step in with door to door workers explaining grants for phones and how to qualify? An option, but one that would take some time to target those with the highest needs.

I know two demographics that have been growing in 2020 that would be interested in theme parks.

my relative had to give up her Smart phone cell phone because online shopping
caused bankruptcy.
My DH coworker also gave up his smart phone cell phone do to a porn addiction. Both of these happened in 2020 and I’m seeing more mentions of it online in my friends circles about intentionally unplugging. How would they travel... or would they forgo travel to stay free from their addictions? Maybe a trusted friend could carry their passport?

again, deep conversation for a forum, and you are right about the paper passports being easy to fudge, but this is such a complicated question I don’t know how they’d have a fair solution by the summer or fall that will satisfy the rights of the US courts without committing some pretty hefty discrimination. 20% is a large number, not something that they could justify as being for the greater good. So how do they lower that number? How do they lower that number in a quick amount of time? Hopefully someone smarter than me has these answers!

 

[1GoldenSun]

It was temporarily shut down though...

Oh that's right! I'm glad it was resuscitated.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

I’ve rewritten this like 3 times, because I’m being sensitive, but I don’t think your wrong keishashadow.

the demographics I mentioned would likely not be interested in a vaccine passport.

But that begs the question. If they are required, for how long? Poor people watch Disney channel just like other income levels. Poor kids beg to have a mickey stuffy from the Walmart toy aisle because they don’t understand they’re poor. Those parents might try to figure out a budget vacation. I’m not trying to be defensive, just realistic. Would Disney truly be only for an “elite class”?

These people, especially Florida and Georgia residents who can drive, would be interested in a once in a lifetime trip. I know this because I taught at a title one school. Not all of the students got to go, but about 50% of them went for at least one day as a very special vacation. I know you didn’t imply anything- but for anyone else reading- these demographics still want travel even if they can’t afford it. Everyone wants the best for their kids. Sometimes that BBB at Disney springs and dinner at trex because tickets are too expensive. Should they be denied the right to try to find a magical trip option?

secondly, and while not theme park related, could these passports snowball into a requirement for everything travel and pleasure related (sports, movies etc?). Would the gov step in with door to door workers explaining grants for phones and how to qualify? An option, but one that would take some time to target those with the highest needs.

I know two demographics that have been growing in 2020 that would be interested in theme parks.

my relative had to give up her Smart phone cell phone because online shopping
caused bankruptcy.
My DH coworker also gave up his smart phone cell phone do to a porn addiction. Both of these happened in 2020 and I’m seeing more mentions of it online in my friends circles about intentionally unplugging. How would they travel... or would they forgo travel to stay free from their addictions? Maybe a trusted friend could carry their passport?

again, deep conversation for a forum, and you are right about the paper passports being easy to fudge, but this is such a complicated question I don’t know how they’d have a fair solution by the summer or fall that will satisfy the rights of the US courts without committing some pretty hefty discrimination. 20% is a large number, not something that they could justify as being for the greater good. So how do they lower that number? How do they lower that number in a quick amount of time? Hopefully someone smarter than me has these answers!

It wouldn’t have to be on a phone. It could be a card or on paper for those without smartphones. Most people who could do digital would opt for digital. Not a big deal, there’d be a way.