Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[Spridell]

I want to stop it before it becomes a thing but let’s refrain from the sunlight could kill the virus conversations. Thanks!

My bad. I'll take the heat for starting it.

 

[rpb718]

I don't think if you read through any of my posts you will read that i said i want them to open early, i have said i miss it and I'll be there day one but i have never pushed for an immediate opening. Regardless of what i want, Disney will open, too soon in most people's minds, they will have measures in place that will not eliminate all risk (that's impossible) BUT if you decide to go take your own precautions, i have said that it boils down to personal responsibility
And yes i have said that Disney being closed impacts the entire state economically, especially central Florida, 90% of business from huge companies to mom and pop depend on Disney, and yes health comes before money, but with measures in place and personal responsibility they can open and the risk will be the same as you going out in your own neck of the woods
Again, if you're afraid of the risk don't come. It really is that simple
I don't understand why the responsibility of people's health depends on Disney, it doesn't, it's on you

I don't know what "personal responsibility" means above other than how it affects you. I think the argument others are giving is how it may affect others.

Say you go to WDW, and you're careful but somehow it comes home with you. Sure you took the precautions, but there are none that protect 100% and it was on your clothes or whatever you use to livestream. OK a few days later now you have it but you don't know it because you are asymptomatic. Now what? Do you know you have it? No - so you have no reason to be tested. But the next day you need some groceries at the store. Oops, somehow you touched something after putting your mask on and getting virus on your hands, a can or a jar or a piece of fruit or a vegetable that you moved to get to the one you wanted. Someone else has now grabbed it and will bring it home. Yes, they were careful too, but nothing is 100%. The difference here is that they only chose to go somewhere that was necessary - a grocery store, while you chose to go somewhere that was unnecessary - WDW. They did not choose to go to WDW, maybe because they didn't think it was safe, but they got it from WDW anyway. And you'll go back to WDW the following Monday still yes? And so it goes.

 

[xuxa777]

I don't even remember who said it, but the comment came up again that we don't "know" there will be 2nd waves. Except we do. Because every country that has reopened so far has had outbreaks.

https://trib.al/k7y3rhL

Now, take the source for what you will... The NY Post has published the story as well (same caveat)...

I'm definitely NOT saying to stay shut down until it's gone. But... I think this is also so far from over. It'll be interesting to see what Disney's plans are for dealing with secondary and third waves, as well. I wonder if it's something they'll address in their announcements (whenever they come).

It's definitely something they really need to be considering. You can't just hire ppl back and then furlough them again in a couple months when cases spike again and keep doing that over and over.

If you read the article. That is not a 2nd wave, it is an 'outbreak' from a person traveling from New York. They put more restrictions on inbound travelers and, if you test positive you get quarantined for 28 days and it looks like it went in place last week. Pretty much the plan we are doing here if gating criteria is not met/outbreak occurs, but with socialist flavor.

 

[xuxa777]

Endless scenarios can be concocted to try to justify any point, having everyone post different infection/non infection scenarios with shopping at a grocery store, after a Disney trip is getting a bit much.

 

[rteetz]

https://blogmickey.com/2020/04/walt-disney-world-theme-park-hours-removed-through-may-16th/

 

[charmed59]

If you read the article. That is not a 2nd wave, it is an 'outbreak' from a person traveling from New York. They put more restrictions on inbound travelers and, if you test positive you get quarantined for 28 days and it looks like it went in place last week. Pretty much the plan we are doing here if gating criteria is not met/outbreak occurs, but with socialist flavor.

I read that article and it was terrifying. Apparently the person traveling from New York, by the time they suspected her she did not test positive, but later they tested for antibodies and she did test positive which implies she had it at one time. So their theory is she got home, with no symptoms, and immediately went into quarantine because she was coming from New York. But some how, someone from her building got it from a hallway or door or elevator that she had been in despite not leaving her apartment after getting home.

That neighbor did not become very sick, but got Mrs. Chan sick, who then went to the hospital, but was not immediately assumed to have COVID19 because she wasn’t around anyone who had left the country. Mrs. Chan then infected people in the hospital, and from there it spread.

So the asymptomatic person, who quarantined anyway, was patient zero for something like 100 cases. Imagine a asymptomatic person touching a queue line bar, or a jar of pasta sauce at the market, or the handle at the gas station. It could happen anywhere.

We got to assume that’s not the usual transmission. That would imply we could never go anywhere safely.

 

[xuxa777]

I read that article and it was terrifying. Apparently the person traveling from New York, by the time they suspected her she did not test positive, but later they tested for antibodies and she did test positive which implies she had it at one time. So their theory is she got home, with no symptoms, and immediately went into quarantine because she was coming from New York. But some how, someone from her building got it from a hallway or door or elevator that she had been in despite not leaving her apartment after getting home.

That neighbor did not become very sick, but got Mrs. Chan sick, who then went to the hospital, but was not immediately assumed to have COVID19 because she wasn’t around anyone who had left the country. Mrs. Chan then infected people in the hospital, and from there it spread.

So the asymptomatic person, who quarantined anyway, was patient zero for something like 100 cases. Imagine a asymptomatic person touching a queue line bar, or a jar of pasta sauce at the market, or the handle at the gas station. It could happen anywhere.

We got to assume that’s not the usual transmission. That would imply we could never go anywhere safely.

Most of if not all the articles in the Daily Mail are precisly written to intentionally terrify people. There is a off chance that "story" might be a tad exaggerated

 

[mshanson3121]

I read that article and it was terrifying. Apparently the person traveling from New York, by the time they suspected her she did not test positive, but later they tested for antibodies and she did test positive which implies she had it at one time. So their theory is she got home, with no symptoms, and immediately went into quarantine because she was coming from New York. But some how, someone from her building got it from a hallway or door or elevator that she had been in despite not leaving her apartment after getting home.

That neighbor did not become very sick, but got Mrs. Chan sick, who then went to the hospital, but was not immediately assumed to have COVID19 because she wasn’t around anyone who had left the country. Mrs. Chan then infected people in the hospital, and from there it spread.

So the asymptomatic person, who quarantined anyway, was patient zero for something like 100 cases. Imagine a asymptomatic person touching a queue line bar, or a jar of pasta sauce at the market, or the handle at the gas station. It could happen anywhere.

We got to assume that’s not the usual transmission. That would imply we could never go anywhere safely.

She would be a super-spreader, for sure. Thankfully there hasn't been a lot of them, but there definitely have been some.

 

[mshanson3121]

If you read the article. That is not a 2nd wave, it is an 'outbreak' from a person traveling from New York. They put more restrictions on inbound travelers and, if you test positive you get quarantined for 28 days and it looks like it went in place last week. Pretty much the plan we are doing here if gating criteria is not met/outbreak occurs, but with socialist flavor.

We can quibble over what to call it. The fact (and the point of sharing) is one person has infected over 70 people and has single handedly shut down a city of millions. But, since I know it's coming, please go ahead and tell us all why its not a big deal and why the possibility of it happening here isn't something that needs to be taken into consideration

 

[Lewisc]

I want to stop it before it becomes a thing but let’s refrain from the sunlight could kill the virus conversations. Thanks!

Not exactly the same...I read Universal is considering using UV to sanitize 3 D glasses

 

[OnceUponATime15]

Another update.. re: Moonlight Magic at Typhoon Lagoon

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/mem...n-lagoon-moonlight-magic-registration-delayed

 

[rpb718]

You can't argue with or against a closed mind. Everyone needs to chill and open their minds. Everyone wants WDW to open. The when or how is out of our control.

 

[wdw_dine_junkie]

Isn't it interesting though that with the many people who visited Disney World from Dec-mid March, from across the globe, that they couldn't trace people who were sick directly from visiting the parks?
I know they said one person unfortunately died and did visit Disney, i don't think there was any more.

I spent a week at WDW in early Feb. About a week after I got home, had a low fever for a few days, pounding headache and dry cough. Luckily it didn't last long, about 3-4 days. I'd love to get the antibody test.

 

[LSUmiss]

And that persons choice affects his friends, family, co-workers, neighbors....

Couldn’t you just choose to stay away from those ppl when you return? And those ppl who aren’t going out b/c they’re at risk or still concerned would likely still stay quarantined so my choice shouldn’t effect anyone who isn’t already be out & about.

 

[LSUmiss]

Isn't it interesting though that with the many people who visited Disney World from Dec-mid March, from across the globe, that they couldn't trace people who were sick directly from visiting the parks?
I know they said one person unfortunately died and did visit Disney, i don't think there was any more.

I keep saying this & we were there during that period. Perhaps we are among the asymptomatic group or have just been lucky, but as far as I know, there hasn’t been an outbreak reported among CMs either.

 

[Aron1012]

@yulilin3 u made my year educating me about the ignore button. That makes reading this thread so much better.

I'm on Board of a local Y. Was incredible to see the varying opinions about when to reopen it at meeting today. There is just so many unknowns at this point. And we're a small facility in a county with less than 10 total cases where none were hospitalized and all have already recovered. I can't imagine how grueling this decision (and it's countless number of variations and impacts) must be for a Global icon like Disney.

It's going to be very easy for people to criticize leaders for decisions they make either way, but given all the unknowns of this situation I certainly don't envy them trying to make a balanced choice.

 

[Minnie368]

I spent a week at WDW in early Feb. About a week after I got home, had a low fever for a few days, pounding headache and dry cough. Luckily it didn't last long, about 3-4 days. I'd love to get the antibody test.

My family was at wdw in January. While there DH and DS became sick with low fever and sore throat that lasted just a couple days. When we came home DD18 got so sick. Fever that lasted 9 days, worst sore throat she’s ever had, and difficulty breathing. Strep, influenza A and B all negative. I would love to get my family tested. I never had any symptoms. We could be the perfect example of covid ranging from asymptomatic, to mild symptoms, to more severe. None of us bad enough to be hospitalized but none of us in a high risk category.

 

[mshanson3121]

My family was at wdw in January. While there DH and DS became sick with low fever and sore throat that lasted just a couple days. When we came home DD18 got so sick. Fever that lasted 9 days, worst sore throat she’s ever had, and difficulty breathing. Strep, influenza A and B all negative. I would love to get my family tested. I never had any symptoms. We could be the perfect example of covid ranging from asymptomatic, to mild symptoms, to more severe. None of us bad enough to be hospitalized but none of us in a high risk category.

I'm sure there were many cases linked to Disney. They just went unrealized because they went undiagnosed. We can't forget, the US didn't really start to take Covid seriously until shortly before Disney shut down. And, initially, the only people being tested were those who had traveled internationally. And the US wasn't good at contact tracing as a whole.

Even here in Canada, it was similar - the only people they would test initially were those who had traveled. DD and I both had illnesses in late Feb/early March that fit Covid, but they wouldn't test us because we hadn't travelled.

 

[orangetree]

No they aren't but for the most part the people of Sweden are staying home by choice, practicing social distancing and not going to work if sick. None of which would work here. Most Americans wouldn't do any of those if they were only asked instead of forced too.

exactly this. As with everyone here, I'd love if disney could open up without having to worry about people who wouldn't follow social distancing guidelines or self identify symptoms after spending thousands on a flight and hotel, but unfortunately we just can't trust that everyone will do it. Look at how beaches were crowded as soon as they were opened in places. It's going to be a challenge for everyone as it has been with social distancing and self quarantining, but I believe we can continue along the path we have for at least as long as our experts think is sane, and we can save as many lives as possible along the way.

Disney will happen eventually, let's all just focus on how many people we can keep safe until it makes sense to open the parks again. We are all eager to have some pixie dust again!

 

[Lewisc]

(Or how some people in this forum here think Disney should throw people out of the parks if they aren't wearing a mask.)

I think people who aren't willing to follow whatever rules Disney sets up should skip a trip. Other guests should respect policy and other guests.

Optional face mask. Don't hassle guests who choose not to wear one.

Disney requires a mask. Wear one or don't go. Yes, if its required Disney should evict guests who don't comply.