Blue Lives Matter - The 101st Law enforcement Officer was Killed Yesterday

[castleview]

Oh please. This is just like homophobic people who think they being discrimated against because people point out they're a homophobe.

FWIW, Patch - you played the race card when s/he spoke about being beaten for being in a black neighborhood. Your comments make clear that your thinking is driven by this. I know racist people hate it when people point out they are racist.

 

[castleview]

WHAT? They are not special ? Have you bumped your head at some point? They ARE special along with other first responders .. People become special when they decide ( choose) to run TO DANGER while you are running away cowering in fear ! When they hear gunshots they can not run and hide . Who do you call if someone is trying to hurt you?
It is correct that they WANTED to do that job , for little pay and high stress. When was the last time you comforted your husband when his fellow brother was ambushed and murdered ? Or when he pulled a small child that passed out of a awful car wreck? Or heaven forbid have a gun pulled in him ?
These men and women ARE special .There was a teacher here arrested for molesting a student ( happens all over ) are we protesting teachers and the job they do?
Dont bother with some silly response because I don't have the patience or care for any more of this junk .. It's junk .. Put on a vest and a gun and protect your community and strangers that hate you .. Live that life ..

So a bad cop is considered a brother? I think that's the problem. As for teachers, I don't see any teachers crying they are being painted in a bad light because another teacher was arrested for molesting kids. No teacher's union head is out there whining "stop contributing to the anti-teacher attitude" when an molester is arrested.

 

[livie1205]

Again they are NOT like everyone else and I DO disagree . Would you be able to or willing to " die in the line of duty " for strangers ? Not pick and choose a stranger, ANY stranger ? Would you die protecting a women who just murdered her child , a crack dealer that someone is shooting at? A murderer your escorting? Not just innocent people but the people most would not spit on? WOULD you do that? If you say most would then that is just a lie. If you don't call that special in any way then I don't know what to tell you.
There are special people in the world and most are military, teachers and first responders .
My husband is special to me but he is special to his brothers / sisters in blue and the people he protects everyday.

 

[castleview]

Again they are NOT like everyone else and I DO disagree . Would you be able to or willing to " die in the line of duty " for strangers ? Not pick and choose a stranger, ANY stranger ? Would you die protecting a women who just murdered her child , a crack dealer that someone is shooting at? A murderer your escorting? Not just innocent people but the people most would not spit on? WOULD you do that? If you say most would then that is just a lie. If you don't call that special in any way then I don't know what to tell you.
There are special people in the world and most are military, teachers and first responders .
My husband is special to me but he is special to his brothers / sisters in blue and the people he protects everyday.

You're missing the point. So because you feel your husband is special, he should be allowed to get away with and/or defend bad cops who ruin or end other people's lives??? I'm a nurse married to a teacher. We both do things you consider special (and why you think other professions aren't special is very strange) but that doesn't give us the right to mistreat patients or students. Nor would we defend people who abuse or aren't cut out for our professions. Certainly, we wouldn't be insulted if people said "what's with.....and how can we end it".

 

[livie1205]

So a bad cop is considered a brother? I think that's the problem. As for teachers, I don't see any teachers crying they are being painted in a bad light because another teacher was arrested for molesting kids. No teacher's union head is out there whining "stop contributing to the anti-teacher attitude" when an molester is arrested.

What the heck is wrong with you? MOST LE do not and would not protect a bad cop and I'm just sad for you for thinking that. NO ONE said ALL cops are " good" , all teachers are not good , all priests are not good , all fast food workers are not good .. I could go on but I don't think you could understand .
It's clear you want to find fault in all LE so no need to continue.

 

[castleview]

Oh, come off that high horse of yours. If you actually believe the greatest threat to you child's life is a police officer, you can rest assured that no, I most certainly don't "understand" you.

I understand facts, reason, and logic. I do not discount any concerns, but I most certainly attempt to prioritize them in a sensible order.

Guess what? I'm white. I live and work in a city though with many great kids most of whom are black. They are great kids who work hard in school, are respectful, and don't get in trouble. Anything stupid they do is no stupider than your average teen male does. So yes, since they aren't troublemakers, a bad police officer is likely a large concern for them.

As for not discounting concerns...well you are. The fact that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes makes you come across as ignorant and uncaring.

 

[castleview]

What the heck is wrong with you? MOST LE do not and would not protect a bad cop and I'm just sad for you for thinking that. NO ONE said ALL cops are " good" , all teachers are not good , all priests are not good , all fast food workers are not good .. I could go on but I don't think you could understand .
It's clear you want to find fault in all LE so no need to continue.

Then why did this thread start? Someone tied it to "little respect for LE" causing this officer's death. That "little respect" is apparently because some people are questioning bad cops who have made awful impacts on innocent people's lives. So if cops wouldnt' defend bad cops, then why do they immediately cry that the media is reporting on these bad cops?

Love the last line. Put your hands over your ears and stomp your feet all you want. I have friends in LE and work with PAL just about every day. I obviously don't hate them. But I have a concern that several officers aren't cut out for the job, need more training or need to be phychologically evaluated more or better (that's not a bad thing).

 

[eliza61]

Again they are NOT like everyone else and I DO disagree . Would you be able to or willing to " die in the line of duty " for strangers ? Not pick and choose a stranger, ANY stranger ? Would you die protecting a women who just murdered her child , a crack dealer that someone is shooting at? A murderer your escorting? Not just innocent people but the people most would not spit on? WOULD you do that? If you say most would then that is just a lie. If you don't call that special in any way then I don't know what to tell you.
There are special people in the world and most are military, teachers and first responders .
My husband is special to me but he is special to his brothers / sisters in blue and the people he protects everyday.

Ok then we disagree. i think my husband was extremely special. yes, he was special to the lives he touched. He didn't need to be a cop, he was special to the little kids he couched, he was special to his employees who he gave excellent paying jobs WITH benefits too, and as we saw in numerous situations, normal everyday PEOPLE do risk their lives in extreme situation AND the don't get paid for it.

So no, sorry no. I do think they do a tremendous job but they get paid a darn good salary (at least in Philly they do). Would they do it for free?? Yes, I think it's horrible when they are killed in the line of fire, no I do not think it's any more tragic then a little girl dying due to a senseless road rage incident.

i absolutely do not find fault with all LE, not at all, they do a hard job but do I think they deserve special treatment because of it? no I do not.

In my opinion, putting on a uniform does not gain you automatic respect or adulation. a person EARNS that.

Every year cnn puts on a show called "heroes". they honor ordinary people who are doing extraordinary things usually without pay, according to you, your husband would be I guess better because he puts on a uniform and goes to work every day?

I remember one guy who owned an Italian restaurant and every day he went out into the poorest communities in LA and feed the children. I would say he's just as special if not more as your husband.

sorry if that upsets you

 

[disneyjunkie]

WHAT? They are not special ? Have you bumped your head at some point? They ARE special along with other first responders .. People become special when they decide ( choose) to run TO DANGER while you are running away cowering in fear ! When they hear gunshots they can not run and hide . Who do you call if someone is trying to hurt you?
It is correct that they WANTED to do that job , for little pay and high stress. When was the last time you comforted your husband when his fellow brother was ambushed and murdered ? Or when he pulled a small child that passed out of a awful car wreck? Or heaven forbid have a gun pulled in him ?
These men and women ARE special .There was a teacher here arrested for molesting a student ( happens all over ) are we protesting teachers and the job they do?
Dont bother with some silly response because I don't have the patience or care for any more of this junk .. It's junk .. Put on a vest and a gun and protect your community and strangers that hate you .. Live that life ..

So a bad cop is considered a brother? I think that's the problem. As for teachers, I don't see any teachers crying they are being painted in a bad light because another teacher was arrested for molesting kids. No teacher's union head is out there whining "stop contributing to the anti-teacher attitude" when an molester is arrested.

I teach in an inner city section of Brooklyn. More than 90% of our students are eligible for free or reduced lunch. A little more than half live are living in transitional housing. I'm all for getting rid of bad teachers.

You don't have communities protesting bad teachers, because the good teachers are not running around protecting them. We want them gone just as bad as everyone else.

Once again, we aren't complaining about/protesting GOOD COPS!!! Livie, Why are you willing to stand up for/protect bad cops?

 

[Luke v]

Oh please. This is just like homophobic people who think they being discrimated against because people point out they're a homophobe.

FWIW, Patch - you played the race card when s/he spoke about being beaten for being in a black neighborhood. Your comments make clear that your thinking is driven by this. I know racist people hate it when people point out they are racist.

The point is...

Some things are clearly racist

Some things are labeled as racist

It's up to the individual to decide which is which, but lately.. I've been a bit skeptical on how many of the things labeled racist are ACTUALLY racist.

Also, I could care less on who people marry, and I'm definitely not a homophobe as I live in New York, it's pretty hard to be. Some people, however, are against the lifestyle, just like some people are against the religious lifestyle. If I keep to my thoughts, why do you care what I'm thinking if I'm not discriminating against a person, I just don't find a specific lifestyle to be ideal due to my own personal reasons?

 

[Patch'sD]

Oh please. This is just like homophobic people who think they being discrimated against because people point out they're a homophobe.

FWIW, Patch - you played the race card when s/he spoke about being beaten for being in a black neighborhood. Your comments make clear that your thinking is driven by this. I know racist people hate it when people point out they are racist.

Oh wow, your are reaching now. End of argument. The Double Racist comment. Sort of reminds me of a Christmas Story with the Double Dog dare you. Can we now get the triple racist call out.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I think everyone is getting too worked up. A little understanding and/or empathy from both sides goes a long way.

I worry about my family in LE, others worry about their families BECAUSE of law enforcement. It is what it is. Everyone learns from their own experiences and has their own biases.

 

[rigs32]

No. They are trying to prevent blacks being unnecessarily killed. Good job deflecting though...that's so helpful and will improve the situation.

Please point me to my inflammatory or deflective posts. I believe your language and use of emoticons are indicative of what you're trying to accuse me of.

Let's take a look at what was said:

You told Luke V that saying Blue Live Matter means that they don't care that innocent people have been mistreated or killed by police and that it means that police lives come first no matter what.

How is it not logical for people to assume that Black Lives Matter means the same in reverse? I never said that was my opinion. That was me calling out what I see as a logical fallacy in your argument.

No movement that focuses on one group will be universally embraced. So why not drop the inflammatory language on both sides? People saying "blue lives matter" is a direct response to others saying "black lives matter".

Are there bad cops? Yes. Are there people who've been mistreated because of racism? Yes.

Are there criminals? Yes. Are there people who've used force against police that then had force used against them? Yes.

BOTH sides need to acknowledge that and root out ALL bad behavior. It is not logical nor safe to expect an officer to shoot for an arm or leg when a suspect is approaching with a weapon. It's not OK for an officer to overreact to a perceived threat. But there are people on either side who are unwilling to acknowledge that their side has its share of bad apples. That's disingenuous and gets the discussion going no where fast.

 

[Patch'sD]

I teach in an inner city section of Brooklyn. More than 90% of our students are eligible for free or reduced lunch. A little more than half live are living in transitional housing. I'm all for getting rid of bad teachers.

You don't have communities protesting bad teachers, because the good teachers are not running around protecting them. We want them gone just as bad as everyone else.

Once again, we aren't complaining about/protesting GOOD COPS!!! Livie, Why are you willing to stand up for/protect bad cops?

It's up to the district to do that. according to the teachers union ad's with Muligrew everything is rosy in the NYC Public schools. With about 20% of the students having Chronic Absences what can any teacher do.

 

[kandb]

It goes both ways. Be in the shoe of someone pulled over because of their skin color and being scared for their life that they may be dealing with a wrongly appointed cop. Are you ok with innocent people being killed or locked up?

This is a disgusting, ignorant and racist remark that has no backing. The police are trying to protect the good people in bad high crime areas.

 

[kandb]

Most people realize that people who want to commit violent acts will get a gun, even if they are 100% illegal. Drugs are illegal and look at how many people get drugs and are addicted to them.

 

[kandb]

Where did you get that idea? The city is mourning the officer's loss and there will be a large funeral for him. The man who shot him is in custody and is NEVER getting out of jail. What further consequences do you want?

The Death Penalty!

 

[kandb]

why is it any more horrific when some one walks into a school and kills 20 students.
why is it any more horrific when a cop shots someone in the back?
why is it any more horrific then when a 4 year old gets shot in her car in a road rage accident.

cops are no more special than anyone else.

some one mentioned if you don't like cops don't call the police, I'll turn it back around. if you're looking for a job and don't want to chance getting shot or don't want to put your life in danger. don't become a cop.

While I think it's sad, I don't think its any " more" tragic than any senseless murder. Nor any more special just because he was a cop.

We are a violent country.

I don't agree with this statement. Yes, people who go into a profession to PROTECT others are looked at in a different light and they should be. How about the 343 firefighters that died on 9/11 trying to SAVE total strangers? They shouldn't be looked upon differently then someone who was sitting at their desk and perished as a result of a plane hitting the world trade center? Yes, both are tragic deaths but when a profession entails putting your life on the line for complete strangers, then yes, I think they should be honored in a different way.

 

[kandb]

I absolutely understand that, I really do and I'm in no way making light of it. You worry every time your cop leaves the house some wackadoodle with a gun is going to kill him, I worry every time my sons drive in NJ that some crazy cop who swears every black kid that drives a luxury car is a drug dealer is going to pull him over for no other reason than hes black AND I have absolutely no recourse. And as others here have so eloquently stated If we dont like it, tough don't call expect help.

I definitely know what it's like to be afraid, I have to worry every time my oldest says he wants to go to Harlem to see his grandparents. I know that at any time a cop can stop him and if he so much as ask "is there a problem" there is a high probability that he will be dead and not a darn thing I can do.

He can not question, he cannot talk back and if they don't like the answers he gives there is a chance I will not see my child alive again. Yes, I truly know how the fear. My sons are just as special to me as your officer is to you.

It is a horrible feeling to honestly believe that your kids have about as much rights now as my parents did in 1960 Louisiana.


But my point in my original post is that we have a serious violence problem.
Cops should not die doing their job
Kids should not be killed just by going to school
Little girls should not be getting shot just because a driver is having a bad day

I pray for that gentlemen's family but more I pray that we get rid of guns and work on figuring out why we are such a violent, violent country.

You really need to look at statistics. There is a MUCH greater chance your son will be killed in those neighborhoods by the residents that live there, not by a police officer. Just because the media sensationalizes a few questionable shootings (and remember Ferguson, where the rioting and killings were totally unjustified), doesn't mean your son will be hurt by a police officer. Look at the statistics.

 

[kandb]

What about questionable killings by police? Do you remember hearing about that with a high frequency? Probably not because it never effected you.

It is the one thing th

The problem is some people getting shot by cops aren't punks like you were. They are simply going about their lives. The racist attitude you display in your posts and your self claimed punkhood makes me think you didn't get beat up for simply being white.

Who, like the thug in Ferguson? The one who's friend said he had his hands up, until the autopsy revealed it was impossible? and the neighborhood rioted and stole televisions out of stores just because they could? That whole case was disgusting and if I lived in that neighborhood I would be ashamed of the actions of those mobs of people.