Any New Info about the Disney Treasure?

[kappaman14]

I could see the Fantasy having a couple of options.

• Splitting time between California and Florida: Panama Canal, Mexican Rivera, Hawaii, Caribbean/Bahamas
• Doing 7 night East/West from Port Canaveral or Fort Lauderdale (opposite of Treasure so the two ships cover the area the other isn't in that week)
• Southern Caribbean/Western Caribbean/Bahamas rotation from Port Canaveral or Fort Lauderdale to stay on a 21 week schedule (10 Southern Caribbean/ 5 night West Caribbean/4 night Bahamas).

Of course I'm not in the industry and I'm sure there's factors I'm not aware of. But none of the above would surprise me, or perhaps a combo of some of the above.

Can the Fantasy use the Panama canal? I may be mis-remembering this, but I was under the impression that the Wonder & Magic are the only ships to do this.

 

[Calantha]

Can the Fantasy use the Panama canal? I may be mis-remembering this, but I was under the impression that the Wonder & Magic are the only ships to do this.

Generally, a Panamax vessel ranges from 50,000 to 80,000 deadweight tons (DWTs). Regarding
physical dimensions, these vessels are normally 965 feet long, with a 106-foot beam, and
a 39.5 -foot draft.

As of 2016, the larger New Panamax vessels are built to travel through this wider lane with the requirements to be no more than 1,200 feet in length, 160.7 feet in width and with a draft of 49.9 feet.

The Fantasy meets the new requirements:

General characteristics
Class and type	Dream-class (Disney) cruise ship
Type	Cruise Ship
Tonnage	129,750 GT[4]
Displacement	65,298 t (64,267 long tons; 71,979 short tons)
Length	1,114.8 ft (339.80 m)[4]
Beam	137 ft (42 m) (max) 121.4 ft (37.0 m)[4] (waterline)
Height	217 ft (66 m)
Draft	27.3 ft (8.32 m)[4]

Sources: Wikipedia, Cruise Critic, and the American Association of Port Authorities

 

[sponica]

Can the Fantasy use the Panama canal? I may be mis-remembering this, but I was under the impression that the Wonder & Magic are the only ships to do this.

I feel like I've seen this too and it wasn't whether it could fit through the canal....but under a bridge somewhere?

 

[kappaman14]

Generally, a Panamax vessel ranges from 50,000 to 80,000 deadweight tons (DWTs). Regarding
physical dimensions, these vessels are normally 965 feet long, with a 106-foot beam, and
a 39.5 -foot draft.

As of 2016, the larger New Panamax vessels are built to travel through this wider lane with the requirements to be no more than 1,200 feet in length, 160.7 feet in width and with a draft of 49.9 feet.

The Fantasy meets the new requirements:

General characteristics
Class and type	Dream-class (Disney) cruise ship
Type	Cruise Ship
Tonnage	129,750 GT[4]
Displacement	65,298 t (64,267 long tons; 71,979 short tons)
Length	1,114.8 ft (339.80 m)[4]
Beam	137 ft (42 m) (max) 121.4 ft (37.0 m)[4] (waterline)
Height	217 ft (66 m)
Draft	27.3 ft (8.32 m)[4]

Sources: Wikipedia, Cruise Critic, and the American Association of Port Authorities

Awesome, thanks for the detail. Always amazed by the depth of info available on this site.

 

[dad of 3 addicted to DCL]

The Bridge of the Americas crosses the Pacific approach to the canal and has a height of 200-ish foot clearance. The clearance for PANAMAX is 190 feet. If you look at the table above in @Calantha post, take the height of the ship, subtract the draft, and you get the clearance, or as commonly known in shipbuilding as the Air Draft. Dream class has a clearance of 190 feet. I'm unsure if tidal influences raise or lower the clearance of PANAMAX based on time of day (I took an Aircraft Carrier through the ditch many many many years ago). I doubt it. I do know you can squeeze a few extra feet by going under the bridge at mean low water, but the locks should be tidal independent. I don't recall; it was quite a while ago...

ETA: I know the Panamanians are constructing a new set of locks (NeoPanamax?), but am unsure as to the expected air draft capacity. I expect it will be taller, but that's an assumption

 

[Calantha]

I feel like I've seen this too and it wasn't whether it could fit through the canal....but under a bridge somewhere?

Yeah, so that might be it. I didn't think about the bridges. It says max height is 190 (except under certain water conditions where it can be higher (205)).

But just above @dad of 3 addicted to DCL posted the math - so I guess it just fits!

 

[kappaman14]

I could see the Fantasy having a couple of options.

• Splitting time between California and Florida: Panama Canal, Mexican Rivera, Hawaii, Caribbean/Bahamas
• Doing 7 night East/West from Port Canaveral or Fort Lauderdale (opposite of Treasure so the two ships cover the area the other isn't in that week)
• Southern Caribbean/Western Caribbean/Bahamas rotation from Port Canaveral or Fort Lauderdale to stay on a 21 week schedule (10 Southern Caribbean/ 5 night West Caribbean/4 night Bahamas).

Of course I'm not in the industry and I'm sure there's factors I'm not aware of. But none of the above would surprise me, or perhaps a combo of some of the above.

Part of why I asked the Panama Canal question (answered above) was because it'd be great to have another shot at the Baja California route. We'd cancelled a trip a while ago, because that was when you still had to pass a covid test to get on the ship (and we didn't want to be stranded across the country if we failed the test).

 

[OpieDoodle]

That's one reason why I love the Fantasy. No dinner shows outside of the Animation Magic which is nothing compared to other dinner shows. I am afraid during a future dry dock the fantasy will replace EG and it will become a dinner venue with a show.

Another thing I've noticed recently with the Wish and Dry docks is that every new venue is based on a movie/show. I wish Disney could be creative again and design original venues not based on movies. I love Disney but it seems they a relying on movies for everything now. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I think finding the little Disney details around the ship is better than being surrounded by Disney Theming everywhere you go.

This is actually something Disney wide they're doing. There was a lot of complaints about the lack of Disney theming in the more "Lux" areas of Disney. Essentially it was made for the adults and there wasn't much for the kids. Over the past few years this has been something I've noticed they've been changing across the board. We have to remember that DCL really caters to the families and children.

A example that IMO was done really well: The contemporary resort in WDW. Previously if you'd stay there you'd find ZERO Disney characters in the rooms. We stayed there once and thought yeah it was nice but its not very magical for the kids and from that point on we decided to exclusively stay in the value resorts because of the theming. Now they've renovated and added character theming to the rooms at Contemporary. Its not as in your face as the value resorts but its there. So now we have gone back to sometimes staying there.

Same concept with the cruises. Many areas are being reimagined to bring the Disney into them. They have to set themselves apart from other cruises and the best way to do that is adding the things other companies can't as well as drawing more Disney people into cruising.

 

[HokieRaven5]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1673692734849265664

First listing in Western Caribbean is 31 December 2024

Also showing for BVI port 27 November 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1673701514232188928

Just to update this, the ports have since changed the name from Treasure back to Fantasy.

Either it was an error or those ports got told to flip it back to Fantasy until official announcements are made by Disney.

 

[OpieDoodle]

Just to update this, the ports have since changed the name from Treasure back to Fantasy.

Either it was an error or those ports got told to flip it back to Fantasy until official announcements are made by Disney.

Interesting! I'm sure Disney knows we are watching LOL! ALWAYS WATCHING

 

[WorldCruiser]

This is actually something Disney wide they're doing. There was a lot of complaints about the lack of Disney theming in the more "Lux" areas of Disney. Essentially it was made for the adults and there wasn't much for the kids. Over the past few years this has been something I've noticed they've been changing across the board. We have to remember that DCL really caters to the families and children.

A example that IMO was done really well: The contemporary resort in WDW. Previously if you'd stay there you'd find ZERO Disney characters in the rooms. We stayed there once and thought yeah it was nice but its not very magical for the kids and from that point on we decided to exclusively stay in the value resorts because of the theming. Now they've renovated and added character theming to the rooms at Contemporary. Its not as in your face as the value resorts but its there. So now we have gone back to sometimes staying there.

Same concept with the cruises. Many areas are being reimagined to bring the Disney into them. They have to set themselves apart from other cruises and the best way to do that is adding the things other companies can't as well as drawing more Disney people into cruising.

I have stayed in the Villas at Disney World my whole life and loved going into a new room at say Beach Club or Old Key West and trying to find hidden Mickeys or other characters in paintings/decorations around the room. They used to be able to incorporate characters into its rooms/venues without being overwhelmingly Disney.

That is what Disney Cruise Line originally strived for when starting out and even on the Dream class. When you walked into the Atrium on the Classic 4 the only Disney character you initially see is the Statue. But if you pay close attention there are hidden mickeys or other characters subtly placed.

Disney has already set itself apart from other cruise lines (no casinos, largest kid's clubs, transatlantic liner design, etc.). I don't mind some Disney aspects implemented into the ships, but Disney used to be creative with their storytelling. Not everything has to be from a Disney movie to make you feel like you are on a Disney Cruise.

 

[reneaterry]

Just to update this, the ports have since changed the name from Treasure back to Fantasy.

Either it was an error or those ports got told to flip it back to Fantasy until official announcements are made by Disney.

I doubt it was an error. I'm sure Disney didn't want it out before an official announcement.

 

[holula]

Just to update this, the ports have since changed the name from Treasure back to Fantasy.

Either it was an error or those ports got told to flip it back to Fantasy until official announcements are made by Disney.

It’s been the Treasure for weeks though. Only when Scott posted about it did it change back

 

[Calantha]

It’s been the Treasure for weeks though. Only when Scott posted about it did it change back

@auntlynne posted about it here on 10 June. I guess Disboards isn't famous enough!

 

[crazy4wdw]

Aft section of the Disney Treasure arrives at the Meyer-Werft shipyard:

https://dclfan.com/disney-cruise-ships/aft-section-of-disney-treasure-ship-arrives-at-shipyard/

 

[leannak]

Aft section of the Disney Treasure arrives at the Meyer-Werft shipyard:

https://dclfan.com/disney-cruise-ships/aft-section-of-disney-treasure-ship-arrives-at-shipyard/

Anyone know when this happened for the Wish?

 

[HokieRaven5]

Anyone know when this happened for the Wish?

This section of the Wish arrived June 19 2021 it looks like?

https://disneycruiselineblog.com/20...ft-blocks-arrive-at-meyer-werft-june-19-2021/

 

[MinnesotaDisneyFan]

Anyone know when this happened for the Wish?

Or May 25, 2021? Not quite sure.

Either way, AFTER the Wish reveal video and about a year before the Wish was set to be sailing.

 

[DMMarla07860]

If the Treasure is designed like the Wish and replaces the Fantasy on 7-Night cruises people are going to be quite upset. No walking track, lack of adult spaces and other issues the Wish had won’t be as overlooked on longer itineraries.

I enjoyed to wish the not walking track didn’t affect my cruise and adult areas were awesome, staff make if, can’t wait to see what happens with Treasure

 

[kappaman14]

I enjoyed to wish the not walking track didn’t affect my cruise and adult areas were awesome, staff make if, can’t wait to see what happens with Treasure

I'm not a jogger, so I didn't miss the track for that purpose. But something I've reflected on after our Wish cruise: I think this was the most "inside" cruise I've ever gone on. We did excursions on Nassau & Castaway, but our time on the boat was almost entirely indoors. I'm not sure if the pools were somehow less appealing, or if we didn't choose to walk outdoors as much, but my experience was much more "floating hotel" than it was "cruise ship".