2019 Dues

[KAT4DISNEY]

The budget is to cover the expenses. You can complain about it, but the expenses are the expenses. Most everything there is mandatory to have, so I am not sure what can be done about it. I haven't gotten access to the increases, so don't know where it's coming from. If housekeeping went up 20% at most resorts, that's a pretty big chunk, but housekeeping is only about 20% in total - so it wouldn't explain a 10% increase. I know Florida's been slamming the resorts with tax increases - that would be my guess that they did this - but without being able to view it I just don't know.

Are we maybe all paying for the Skyliner construction?

There is some wiggle room in the "expenses" because Disney has to choose an allocation method for overall resort expenses. It has to make sense but they can certainly select a method that seems reasonable AND also allocates the most expense to DVC owners.

 

[Maverick]

Here's a brief review of the increases at BWV for various categories. Not sure if this is representative of other resorts.

Line item, 2018 pp, 2019 pp, difference $, difference %

Annual Operating Budget 3.9923 4.4380 0.4457 11.16%
Reserves 1.0596 1.1628 0.1032 9.74%
Ad Valorem Tax 1.4977 1.5714 0.0737 4.92%
Total Member Dues Per Point 6.5496 7.1722 0.6226 9.51%

Significant Sub Categories for the Operating Budget
Administration / Front Desk 0.6891 0.7804 0.0913 13.25%
Housekeeping 1.0977 1.3176 0.2199 20.03%
Maintenance 0.7587 0.7346 -0.0241 -3.18%
Management Fee 0.4973 0.5521 0.0548 11.02%
Member Activities 0.1848 0.2368 0.0520 28.14%
Transportation 0.4104 0.4252 0.0148 3.60%
Utilities 0.2747 0.2678 -0.0069 -2.51%
Security 0.0768 0.1004 0.0236 30.73%

 

[Jerry5788]

Here's a brief review of the increases at BWV for various categories. Not sure if this is representative of other resorts.

Line item, 2018 pp, 2019 pp, difference $, difference %

Annual Operating Budget 3.9923 4.4380 0.4457 11.16%
Reserves 1.0596 1.1628 0.1032 9.74%
Ad Valorem Tax 1.4977 1.5714 0.0737 4.92%
Total Member Dues Per Point 6.5496 7.1722 0.6226 9.51%

Significant Sub Categories for the Operating Budget
Administration / Front Desk 0.6891 0.7804 0.0913 13.25%
Housekeeping 1.0977 1.3176 0.2199 20.03%
Maintenance 0.7587 0.7346 -0.0241 -3.18%
Management Fee 0.4973 0.5521 0.0548 11.02%
Member Activities 0.1848 0.2368 0.0520 28.14%
Transportation 0.4104 0.4252 0.0148 3.60%
Utilities 0.2747 0.2678 -0.0069 -2.51%
Security 0.0768 0.1004 0.0236 30.73%

So half of it is housekeeping (1/3) and front desk (1/6) - reserves and taxes another 1/3rd

 

[aoconnor]

Silver lining- maybe rental rates will go up now. David's has been paying $13-14 a point for a few years now as rental demand has skyrocketed...

 

[Missyrose]

Here's a brief review of the increases at BWV for various categories. Not sure if this is representative of other resorts.

Line item, 2018 pp, 2019 pp, difference $, difference %


Administration / Front Desk 0.6891 0.7804 0.0913 13.25%
Housekeeping 1.0977 1.3176 0.2199 20.03%
Security 0.0768 0.1004 0.0236 30.73%

Given that BW basically shuttered the concierge desk and most resorts have moved the majority of reservations to online check-in, what could cause such a huge bump in front-desk costs?

A lot of people keep suggesting that the trash pickups/security checks are what caused the huge bump in housekeeping costs, but is Disney double-dipping with the huge bump in security costs, as well?

 

[aoconnor]

Given that BW basically shuttered the concierge desk and most resorts have moved the majority of reservations to online check-in, what could cause such a huge bump in front-desk costs?

A lot of people keep suggesting that the trash pickups/security checks are what caused the huge bump in housekeeping costs, but is Disney double-dipping with the huge bump in security costs, as well?

Front desk also includes "costs for operational and administrative support from the WALT DISNEY WORLD® Resort" on top of actual front desk and resort management costs. That's awfully vague... maybe they decided to start charging for new services.

 

[robinb]

Holy crap! That's a huge increase. Another nail in my Disney coffin.

 

[skier_pete]

So does the 30% bump in security indicate what we all expect to happen - that the security is going to "move back" from DHS and Epcot park entrances and be at the Friendship Boats/Skyliner - meaning we are paying for the security at the boat dock?

Also, wonder what "Member Activities" increased to make that rise so much?

 

[erionm]

So does the 30% bump in security indicate what we all expect to happen - that the security is going to "move back" from DHS and Epcot park entrances and be at the Friendship Boats/Skyliner - meaning we are paying for the security at the boat dock?

All reports are that the Gondola stations and the boat docks will be OUTSIDE of the security bubble.

 

[Bing Showei]

All reports are that the Gondola stations and the boat docks will be OUTSIDE of the security bubble.

Everything I've read has suggested that the gondolas will be inside the bubble, similar to the MK monorail loop. IG would be a wreck if done otherwise.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Disney self-deals. Owners pay what Disney charges for stuff like housekeeping.

 

[BillPA]

nice to see they gave themselves an 11%+ raise, right inline with NO ONE!!!

 

[CMNJ]

So does the 30% bump in security indicate what we all expect to happen - that the security is going to "move back" from DHS and Epcot park entrances and be at the Friendship Boats/Skyliner - meaning we are paying for the security at the boat dock?

Also, wonder what "Member Activities" increased to make that rise so much?

I have no personal knowledge but since Oct they have had walls up at the Epcot IG boat dock cutting into what was previously the que for the boat. I was wondering if they are going to reconfigure the line and the exit to accommodate the new security area there and funnel the walkers over to that area to go through security. Otherwise the only option would be to move security onto the Boardwalk since there’s no way there would be room on the dock where the lines to board are.

 

[Wakey]

With housekeeping soon earning $15 per hour, is anyone going to continue this relatively recent practise (socially, and unheard of in many countries) of tipping house keepers? I'm not.

 

[Wakey]

Silver lining- maybe rental rates will go up now. David's has been paying $13-14 a point for a few years now as rental demand has skyrocketed...

I'm not using David's again until he ups rates by at least $2 a point. I've been a big cheerleader on boards for them, but not increasing rates paid to owners has made no sense for 12 months, and certainly no sense now. I suppose he gets the same cut, which is why it's been slow to go up.

 

[robinb]

So does the 30% bump in security indicate what we all expect to happen - that the security is going to "move back" from DHS and Epcot park entrances and be at the Friendship Boats/Skyliner - meaning we are paying for the security at the boat dock?

I bet you're right. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole Boardwalk/Epcot/DHS area isn't turned into a big security area.

 

[RachaelA]

With housekeeping soon earning $15 per hour, is anyone going to continue this relatively recent practise (socially, and unheard of in many countries) of tipping house keepers? I'm not.

I definitely think a lot of people will stop tipping.

 

[Jerry5788]

I definitely think a lot of people will stop tipping.

$15 per hour still isn't a lot on a yearly basis. Hopefully everyone gives what they can afford still.

 

[siren0119]

With housekeeping soon earning $15 per hour, is anyone going to continue this relatively recent practise (socially, and unheard of in many countries) of tipping house keepers? I'm not.

I definitely think a lot of people will stop tipping.

Hopefully folks who intend to do so remember that the wage increases are spread out over a few years. They are seeing a $3 an hour increase between now and 2020, but it will be 2021 before they are actually getting paid $15/hr. I'm sure by then inflation will do a nice job of taking back any ground that might have gained them financially between 2019 and 2021.

 

[CMNJ]

I’m wondering too if the 30% increase in security might have something to do with the gondolas coming on line next year. Even if security doesn’t move back to the resorts I imagine with unprecedented access to the Boardwalk area (simply hop on the gondola at AOA, Pop, or Caribbean Beach/Riviera) they will need to increase security presence there. So much for the low crowds and enjoyable atmosphere we’ve grown accustomed to....I suspect that will be long gone by this time next year