First DVC Resale Contract for The Villas at Disneyland Hotel

[DonMacGregor]

When you add the dues of 9.06 plus this extra tax of estimated/reported 2.80 a points, I think 11.86 a point is pretty rediculous. And that's a brand new resort. What will happen in 10 or 20 years? Ouch

I stick with Florida, just not Vero Beach.

That's fine, and no one is denying your right to not stay in California, or that the total tax on the new villas isn't higher than those in Florida. Curiously though, the whole argument falls flat with VGC, where LESS of your annual dues go to taxes than at a number of the Florida resorts, even with the discounted TOT added in.

I just get tired of lazy "Oh, that's what you get in California (or more often "Cali")" comments. Particularly when there's zero factual basis for the comment.

 

[intamin]

That's fine, and no one is denying your right to not stay in California, or that the total tax on the new villas isn't higher than those in Florida. Curiously though, the whole argument falls flat with VGC, where LESS of your annual dues go to taxes than at a number of the Florida resorts, even with the discounted TOT added in.

I just get tired of lazy "Oh, that's what you get in California (or more often "Cali")" comments. Particularly when there's zero factual basis for the comment.

.. but.. but.. California…

 

[DVCsloth]

Although I do like the look of VDH, the TOT would really make me most likely to never buy there. One of the things I like about DVC has always been, the $0 balance when I check out. I know I'm paying for it one way or another, but that would bother me. Also the fact that I live in Florida and don't think I would visit DL more than a few times.

 

[AstroBlasters]

When you add the dues of 9.06 plus this extra tax of estimated/reported 2.80 a points, I think 11.86 a point is pretty rediculous. And that's a brand new resort. What will happen in 10 or 20 years? Ouch

I stick with Florida, just not Vero Beach.

Oh, I agree that the dues and TOT are very expensive and should lead to a drastic price reduction in the resale ppp. Whether it does or not remains to be seen.

However we are staying there in a few weeks on non-VDH points at the lowest point season and the price (even with the TOT) is still a good deal compared to VGC or off-site hotels for a 1BD.

I also have a work trip coming up and I was able to get a nice DISboarder with direct or grandfathered points to book one night for me in a SV studio. Similar all in price to the Westin without having to cross a street with cars.

So, I’m glad we have the option… but the value proposition for owning a resale contract is quite different than for direct when it comes to VDH.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Oh, I agree that the dues and TOT are very expensive and should lead to a drastic price reduction in the resale ppp. Whether it does or not remains to be seen.

However we are staying there in a few weeks on non-VDH points at the lowest point season and the price (even with the TOT) is still a good deal compared to VGC or off-site hotels for a 1BD.

I also have a work trip coming up and I was able to get a nice DISboarder with direct or grandfathered points to book one night for me in a SV studio. Similar all in price to the Westin without having to cross a street with cars.

So, I’m glad we have the option… but the value proposition for owning a resale contract is quite different than for direct when it comes to VDH.

You were able to book a 1BR at 7 months? How many nights and for when?

 

[AstroBlasters]

You were able to book a 1BR at 7 months? How many nights and for when?

2 nights last weekend in Jan. Booked it as soon as rooms opened up to non-owners.

 

[CastAStone]

Bringing the conversation back to the original post. I wonder if these VDH resale contracts will ever sell.

Ever is a long time. They’ll sell.

But at what price? And how long will they sit?

I think the answer to the former is probably closeish to asking (lotta dumb people) but the answer to the latter is “it could be a while”

 

[CastAStone]

the price (even with the TOT) is still a good deal compared to VGC or off-site hotels for a 1BD.

The Clementine Anaheim starts around $300/night for a 1 Bedroom with a full kitchen. For the dates I’m going next month, it’s $431/night after all taxes and fees; the MFs and TOT alone on the VDH 1 bedroom average $414 per night for my days. The buy-in for VDH would have to be just ~$20 / point to just break even.

I’m not gonna pretend they’re comparable properties, but the Clementine is a decent place and can’t possibly be more than 3 extra minutes of walking, and can be cancelled up to 2 nights before.

So I can’t agree that VDH provides a value vs neighboring options.

 

[CastAStone]

The Clementine Anaheim starts around $300/night for a 1 Bedroom with a full kitchen. For the dates I’m going next month, it’s $431/night after all taxes and fees; the MFs and TOT alone on the VDH 1 bedroom average $414 per night for my days. The buy-in for VDH would have to be just ~$20 / point to just break even.

I’m not gonna pretend they’re comparable properties, but the Clementine is a decent place and can’t possibly be more than 3 extra minutes of walking, and can be cancelled up to 2 nights before.

So I can’t agree that VDH provides a value vs neighboring options.

(My trip next month BTW is at neither of these properties but rather VGC using dirt cheap SSR resale points, which even still is by my math only a slight value vs the Clementine. But I want to do it and am not terribly worried if it pencils out perfectly)

 

[AstroBlasters]

The Clementine Anaheim starts around $300/night for a 1 Bedroom with a full kitchen. For the dates I’m going next month, it’s $431/night after all taxes and fees; the MFs and TOT alone on the VDH 1 bedroom average $414 per night for my days. The buy-in for VDH would have to be just ~$20 / point to just break even.

I’m not gonna pretend they’re comparable properties, but the Clementine is a decent place and can’t possibly be more than 3 extra minutes of walking, and can be cancelled up to 2 nights before.

So I can’t agree that VDH provides a value vs neighboring options.

I’m at 37 points a night for my upcoming trip for the 1BD. What is that, $103 a night for TOT and $650 all in total based on what I paid for my direct points and my Aulani dues…

I’ll happily pay that for a 1BD DVC Villa over staying offsite. Having 2 bathrooms and showers in the unit is a huge deal for our family. Also, I like a king in the primary and for my teenager to have the Murphy and my 10 year old the pulldown under the TV in the living room with a closed door between us. It works perfect!

 

[AstroBlasters]

(My trip next month BTW is at neither of these properties but rather VGC using dirt cheap SSR resale points, which even still is by my math only a slight value vs the Clementine. But I want to do it and am not terribly worried if it pencils out perfectly)

I think I value proximity and not being right next to a major interstate more than you do…

 

[DonMacGregor]

I think I value proximity and not being right next to a major interstate more than you do…

And right next door to the jankiest Motel 6 you'll find anywhere in Orange County...

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I stayed at the Clementine before the pandemic. I won’t be going back. It was awful.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I stayed at the Clementine before the pandemic. I won’t be going back. It was awful.

If memory serves me, it started out as an Extended Stay America, or something along those lines way back in the day.

 

[AstroBlasters]

If memory serves me, it started out as an Extended Stay America, or something along those lines way back in the day.

https://hotelbusiness.com/hotel-openings-to-watch-out-west/?amp=1

Residence Inn according to the following article

 

[HIRyeDVC]

https://hotelbusiness.com/hotel-openings-to-watch-out-west/?amp=1

Residence Inn according to the following article

Interesting! I guess the Residence Inn got a better location. I love the Residence Inn, minus the occasional hurdle over homeless people down Harbor. Their rooms are clean and the free breakfast is much better than Clementine’s.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Interesting! I guess the Residence Inn got a better location. I love the Residence Inn, minus the occasional hurdle over homeless people down Harbor. Their rooms are clean and the free breakfast is much better than Clementine’s.

My family always goes back to the room in the afternoon for a few hours to rest up so we can close the place down and that makes location, room layout and size, and the experience going to and from the park more valuable to us.

Others might value a lower price and free breakfast more.I think it’s great that there are various options for people based on family size and budget that are relatively close to the parks, I just personally wouldn't assign an equivalency of value to VDH or VGC if the prices are even close to each other.

IMO, both are worth a premium and the fact that Disney can fill the rooms suggests that many other guests agree.

 

[CastAStone]

I think I value proximity and not being right next to a major interstate more than you do…

I am trying not to conflate saving money with paying a premium for things I want. I am happy to pay extra to not walk as far and stay at a nicer place, but it does in fact cost more, is more my point.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I am trying not to conflate saving money with paying a premium for things I want. I am happy to pay extra to not walk as far and stay at a nicer place, but it does in fact cost more, is more my point.

Yes, very true.

 

[nalabear]

Although I do like the look of VDH, the TOT would really make me most likely to never buy there. One of the things I like about DVC has always been, the $0 balance when I check out. I know I'm paying for it one way or another, but that would bother me. Also the fact that I live in Florida and don't think I would visit DL more than a few times.

The counter is if you're a DVC owner; will you stay at VDH DVC or Disneyland Hotel? Either way, as a visitor, you'll be paying the TOT. WWYD?