Marathon Weekend 2022

Check my other post. I am 100 percent on board with holding people accountable and I was in the taxi well before the advised time.

However the issue here is that the traffic started getting bad in a timing that even if you were on the bus before the advised time you might be in trouble. I got there early and there was a bit of traffic.

Sorry for the confusion! I wasn't looking to pass judgement, but more information-seeking and trying to pin down when exactly things started to get bad so that I can add that to my decision making process for this year.

And this was all BEFORE the advised bus time.

Again, to get more data points, I'm assuming that regular drivers were having trouble as well and that it wasn't just the Disney buses?

Yes runners need to be responsible but rD needs to be realistic about getting them in also.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Being the queen of the catastrophic Disney transportation failure, I have a sad amount of experience in this. There are some things that Disney can't control, but there are some things that they can/should have seen in advance.
 
Sorry for the confusion! I wasn't looking to pass judgement, but more information-seeking and trying to pin down when exactly things started to get bad so that I can add that to my decision making process for this year.



Again, to get more data points, I'm assuming that regular drivers were having trouble as well and that it wasn't just the Disney buses?



ABSOLUTELY!!! Being the queen of the catastrophic Disney transportation failure, I have a sad amount of experience in this. There are some things that Disney can't control, but there are some things that they can/should have seen in advance.

I just posted a photo that was shared the day of the race. Not mine since I was already at the start waiting when someone posted it in a FB group I believe. But yeah it was one lane for the all the transportation to get through. Bus, cars, the only people not effected were the ones on the monorail or the ones that got there early
 
Correct me if I am wrong (I wasn't part of that Disney cluster), but didn't the race guide indicate rather strongly an advised time to be in the parking lot by x time with x being significantly earlier than in the past? Were the people who got there early okay or did everyone get caught up in it?

I would assume (and you know about what they say about that) that Run Disney has learned from their mistake.

I just read through the 2020 thread after the event guide was released (link). It appears the buses began running at 2:30am and ran through 4:30am (same as 2022). In 2020, they requested runners be to EPCOT by 3:30am for the 5am start time.

"Just a friendly reminder that participants for the 2020 Walt Disney World Marathon should arrive at Epcot by 3:30 a.m. on Sunday, January 12. With the new course running through Epcot’s parking lot, late arrivals could miss the start or experience significant delays getting to their corral."

As a comparison in 2020, they recommended arriving no later than 4am for the 5am start of the HM.
 
I'm going to try and build a GPX route in Garmin for this since I want to use PacePro that weekend. Once I do I'll make it public. I would prefer they actually post the GPX like some other races do, especially since no one can run or bike their course in advance to create it, but I might be able to find a 2020 course and edit it. As anyone that uses Garmin for courses knows sometimes the edit is not easy to use.

I tried to upload my GPX but the DIS doesn't allow that attachment type. PM your email and I can send it there if you wish. Alternatively, you can use my grade adjusted pace data from Strava to get a good idea on pace differential based on hills (almost none). There were no miles with a GAP difference greater than 3 seconds. So essentially every mile can be viewed as flat pacing. I planned to use PacePro for my November Marathon on a relatively hilly course. I mapped it out in Garmin, but found the adjustments were far less aggressive than what Strava GAP was calculating.

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In yellow are downhill miles where Garmin said I should bomb the downhill (-8 or -12 seconds in mile 1 and -6 or -9 seconds in mile 18). Whereas, the Strava GAP says that despite the downhills the final pace should be close to goal (only 1 sec difference in mile 1 and 2 sec difference in mile 18).

In red are uphill miles where Garmin was far less aggressive in the need for a pace change when running uphill. Mile 22 being the most egregious. Strava says that there is a 27 sec difference from a flat mile, whereas Garmin suggested only slowing by 9-14 sec. In Mile 26, Strava says a 24 sec difference and Garmin says 1-2 sec difference.

Green is where they pretty much agreed on a uphill/downhill section.

I'm a pretty effort based runner in training. I know what a certain pace feels like. It's been my experience that the Strava GAP is quite good, and that the Garmin PacePro in this singular example doesn't seem to be aggressive enough on the pace adjustments for the hills. That being said, you're not going to encounter enough hills at Disney for this argument of Strava GAP vs Garmin PacePro to matter.

As for the use of PacePro to account for extra GPS distance during the race itself (to stay on track to a certain time goal). I've run the Disney marathon six times with a distance of 26.34, 26.41, 26.44, 26.33, and 26.44 (average of 26.39). So that's about 1:15 more time on course or about 3 seconds per mile for a 7 min/miler. So if you're going for say a 7:24 pace, then you'd want to aim for a 7:21 average GPS pace on your watch.

If Marathon Weekend follows the W&D pattern, we won't know our bib number or starting group until bib pickup in January, right?

When runner tracking comes out roughly 2 weeks before the race, you'll have your bib number. If it follows Wine and Dine, then like @GreatLakes said we won't know starting groups officially until the expo. Whereas in the past, the corral information was released early. With that being said, I think we can make pretty good guesses towards people's starting groups based on their bib number and their estimated pace/POT at registration.
 
I still have this in my camera roll but I feel like it shows the issue of that morning pretty well.

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Omg, that looks bad! Sure to fuel some RunDisney nightmares! :(
 
Excited for the new 10-K course!

A little disappointed that full ending in Epcot isn't the same as the HM. Hoping they still bring back the gospel choir even if they have to put them where the last marching band was last year for the finish of the full. I understand why they would have different finishes given how much later the marathon will be ending and the construction zone that the front of Epcot still is, but was hoping for the more traditional ending of old.

As for the Blizzard Beach parking lot parade, it is what it is. I can't say I was wowed by the little bit we got to be in the park last year with all the tight twists and turns so don't feel like I'm missing much there and in the end it's no worse in my mind that the old death march to WWoS and then the tour around the fields.
 
Excited for the new 10-K course!

A little disappointed that full ending in Epcot isn't the same as the HM. Hoping they still bring back the gospel choir even if they have to put them where the last marching band was last year for the finish of the full. I understand why they would have different finishes given how much later the marathon will be ending and the construction zone that the front of Epcot still is, but was hoping for the more traditional ending of old.

As for the Blizzard Beach parking lot parade, it is what it is. I can't say I was wowed by the little bit we got to be in the park last year with all the tight twists and turns so don't feel like I'm missing much there and in the end it's no worse in my mind that the old death march to WWoS and then the tour around the fields.

Considering what else is going on I wouldn’t get too hopeful about the choir. That probably won’t be back for another year or so.

Could be wrong though.
 
Considering what else is going on I wouldn’t get too hopeful about the choir. That probably won’t be back for another year or so.

Could be wrong though.

Are they having the candlelight processional with a choir? If Disney is bringing back a choir I expect that one to be first.

I'm not running it but I do really like the new 10KI'm not running it but I do really like the new 10K course. It also looks like the Marathon finish is the same as always. I'll have to check when I'm not on my phone but it looks a lot like my 2011 finish.
 
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I'm staying offsite at Universal for the first time. I'm nervous about the traffic getting in. The guide recommends getting off at Osceola Parkway West, but I'm afraid that they're just trying to shoehorn everyone going to the race on the same road. Would coming in on Buena Vista Drive work out better? If I had a ride, would being dropped off at TTC and taking the monorail be the easiest way to get in and avoid traffic? I still have PTSD from 2020 when I got on the bus with plenty of time to spare from OKW and still ended up getting to the start line late because of the horrible traffic management.
My experience has been to listen to what Disney tells you! They know the roads and road closures 1000x better than we do. They have things facilitated to move people most smoothly through the recommended route.

I've come from Universal for MW 2019 and Princess 2020 (and will be for this year as well) and I just left myself PLENTY of time to get into the parking lot. I remember leaving the hotel around 2 hours before start time. Once I was in the parking lot, I could relax - at least once I set the alarm on my phone, pushed the seat back and napped for a while - and do my pre-race prep (eat, hydrate, etc.). I don't see a recommended "be in the parking lot by x time" yet, but pad that time and you should be okay.

I agree with @sandam1. We've driven to the races a few times both from on-property (Shades of Green) and off property and never had any significant problems. There was definitely a big mess one year and certainly it could happen again, but the odds are in your favor. I would recommend trusting what rD is saying in terms of how to arrive rather than trying to find some back way in. We've done a little bit of that before (not for race starts) thinking we knew better than Disney how to get where we were going and we ended up being wrong every time. Couple that with race weekend and road closures and I wouldn't attempt it. They may well use some of the secondary routes for staging and the like and you'd find those closed and then trying to get back on track (in the dark).

We always left very early when we were driving to be sure we avoided traffic and every time we were able to drive straight into the parking lot (or in one case when my sister dropped us off - she cruised right in to the drop off spot). Once in the parking lot, we just hung out in the car. Relaxed in a warm environment with a soft seat - listened to some Disney tunes and waited until much later to head for the corrals. I actually think driving to the races has a lot of advantages.
 
SAFD: This will be my first ("just") full marathon, so that's the main thing!

But we're also mixing it up a bit by changing out our traditional Boma breakfast and trying the Boma dinner for the first time. I'll also try to make it to Space 220 and/or Steakhouse '71, but we'll see!
 
SAFD: I forgot that I'm looking forward to the Cirque show!

I'm not too fussed about the courses one way or the other, but I'm a little disappointed not to do the full circle of the Boardwalk. That was always my fave part of the 10K. Hoping I can figure out a ride to go on somewhere during the marathon.
 
SAFD: Star Wars Rise of the Resistance. It wasn't open last time I was there and going with a friend who is also a big Star Wars fan so should be a good time.

Like others, super excited to see the maps. Obviously the guide needs a lot of work (5k is on Friday and the 10k and half are both on Saturday! At least the dates are correct). I think the 10k is a nice improvement. That stretch between HS and Epcot is one of my favorite non-park areas. I have to imagine planning these routes must be so difficult with all the little turns. Pull the string to reach this area reduces others (looking at you BB, that is just odd).

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SAFD: First time doing Goofy/running a marathon! I am not convinced I will finish but I will certainly try. The course looks fun so hopefully I can be fast enough…

I am also hoping to try a new restaurant but haven’t been able to get any reservations yet. Would love to try Space 220.

Also this is my first post! Hi!
 

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