The Vaccine Discussion Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
I thought people were always for all eligible passengers vaccinated and that the eligible age just keeps going down. That is why the age will be changing based on date for some of the Alaska cruise lines.
Yeah, about 40% of the country would be for that. A lot less than that if you include kids and some will balk if they have to vaccinate their young children. How many of those 40% cruise or can afford to cruise? Can cruise lines be profitable eliminating 60% of Americans? I guess we shall see.
 
Here, kids have been in school on and off depending on where they live and the situation in each region but classes shut down all the time because of COVID outbreaks.
Our district kept seating charts from classrooms to the cafeteria to track who had to quarantine from exposure. So they didn't shut down entire classes, although it might have seemed that way if the positivity rates in a classroom were high enough. And it's certainly not over, even though things are much better here. My kids just finished their spring terms, and each had teachers out. Some parents just kept their kids home for the last few days because there were enough other kids that had it, that the potential for exposure wasn't worth it. (Other than high schoolers, who have finals, not much goes on the last few days for K-8. Middle schoolers would rather miss the last couple of days of nonsense than miss their sports finals!) It's so easy to see kids' clubs causing small outbreaks that seem like low numbers, but in the world of cruising, ANY are too much. Even if they are just exposed, do they end up quarantining in their rooms with their whole families? so messy. It took school districts months to figure out the logistics and rules.
 
Yeah, about 40% of the country would be for that. A lot less than that if you include kids and some will balk if they have to vaccinate their young children. How many of those 40% cruise or can afford to cruise? Can cruise lines be profitable eliminating 60% of Americans? I guess we shall see.
We should know soon (first part of August?) with the Alaska sailings from multiple lines. There is a lot of pent up travel demand and limited supply of cruise cabins, so I would lean towards the ships having enough customers.

I am still waiting for Disney to make some announcement/moves on what they are planning to do. I am also anxious to hear how the mediation is going with the state of Florida?
 
Yeah, about 40% of the country would be for that. A lot less than that if you include kids and some will balk if they have to vaccinate their young children. How many of those 40% cruise or can afford to cruise? Can cruise lines be profitable eliminating 60% of Americans? I guess we shall see.
Just curious, where does your 40% number come from?

As of today, 50% of the US has had at least 1 shot of Covid (including all ages). 61% of Adults 18+ have had one shot, 49.6% of adults are fully vaccinated.

Are you assuming there is a large percentage of adults that got vaccinated but don't want to vaccinate their kids? I can believe there are some that fall into that category. 60%? Not sure I believe that without seeing a source. So far the vaccine has been open to 12-15 for about 10 days now and almost 15% of kids in this age range have already gotten their 1st shot. That is the fastest vaccination trend of any age demographic since we started.
 
Cruise lines are limiting capacity. They may have enough customers short term, but you can't eliminate half the country and expect to be successful long term. Only a small percentage of the population cruises to begin with. I think we're close to herd immunity and I don't expect these restrictions to last that long.

Not that anyone on a Disney forum would dream of stepping foot on a Carnival ship, but they just moved the PIF date on their August cruises from May 31 to June 14. They must be still trying to thread the needle and figure out how to proceed. They did state their July protocols might be different than their August protocols because the situation is constantly evolving.

I've been on 23 Disney cruises and one Carnival, but when I want information I go to the Carnival forums. They are much better about communicating with their customers than Disney. I do have one Carnival cruise booked next year. I'm thinking about another in Europe, but the ship looks a little cheesy. I'm trying to get past that.
 
Cruise lines are limiting capacity. They may have enough customers short term, but you can't eliminate half the country and expect to be successful long term. Only a small percentage of the population cruises to begin with. I think we're close to herd immunity and I don't expect these restrictions to last that long.

Not that anyone on a Disney forum would dream of stepping foot on a Carnival ship, but they just moved the PIF date on their August cruises from May 31 to June 14. They must be still trying to thread the needle and figure out how to proceed. They did state their July protocols might be different than their August protocols because the situation is constantly evolving.

I've been on 23 Disney cruises and one Carnival, but when I want information I go to the Carnival forums. They are much better about communicating with their customers than Disney. I do have one Carnival cruise booked next year. I'm thinking about another in Europe, but the ship looks a little cheesy. I'm trying to get past that.

I’m actually very much in the minority on these boards in that DH and I prefer sailing on Carnival over Disney. *horrified gasp!* We have absolutely enjoyed our Disney cruises but have learned that we enjoy getting our Disney fix in the parks.

I agree that Carnival and other cruise lines have done a much better job with communication, but I have to assume it’s because every other cruise line relies completely on getting ships sailing. There are no other options. Disney has the luxury of being able to temporarily focus its attention on every other part of its vast portfolio and can keep cruising on the back burner for now. It’s not ideal, but they can do it. For how long I’m not sure.

And I agree that while we love CCL, yes some of the ships are downright gaudy! Soooo happy with the direction they’re taking with newer vessels!
 
Are you assuming there is a large percentage of adults that got vaccinated but don't want to vaccinate their kids? I can believe there are some that fall into that category. 60%? Not sure I believe that
Many parents of kids 12 and older probably aren’t having many more kids and are older and probably not concerned about long term side effects for themselves. There obviously aren’t any studies of long term effects for a vaccine that didn’t exist a year ago - so you can understand the hesitation.
 
Many parents of kids 12 and older probably aren’t having many more kids and are older and probably not concerned about long term side effects for themselves. There obviously aren’t any studies of long term effects for a vaccine that didn’t exist a year ago - so you can understand the hesitation.
I'm not so sure about that. I'm in my early 40s, and I'm definitely more concerned with the repercussions of covid than the vaccine for myself. I don't think I'm that weird that I had kids in my late 20s, but I have kids in that age group and am definitely not veering toward old age and death LOL.

My kids were 15 and 12 the day that Pfizer vaccines open to their age group - and they got their first shots that day. FWIW - there was one sore arm (15yo) and zero side effects (12yo) after the first shot, unless you count their mental health drastically improving as a happy side effect.
 
I'm not so sure about that. I'm in my early 40s, and I'm definitely more concerned with the repercussions of covid than the vaccine for myself. I don't think I'm that weird that I had kids in my late 20s, but I have kids in that age group and am definitely not veering toward old age and death LOL.

My kids were 15 and 12 the day that Pfizer vaccines open to their age group - and they got their first shots that day. FWIW - there was one sore arm (15yo) and zero side effects (12yo) after the first shot, unless you count their mental health drastically improving as a happy side effect.
My kids are 15 and 13 and I’m in my late 40’s. I‘m way more concerned about getting covid than about the vaccine effects (mine were mild). My kids were vaccinated 2 weeks ago tomorrow and I feel much better about them going back to school after three weeks online due to covid numbers where we live. My 13 year old complained of a sore arm (always does after any shot), and my 15 year old had no reaction to the vaccine. In Alberta we don’t have a lot of second doses (8%) but our single doses rise by at least one percent every day. Expected to be 75% single dose vaccinated and 20% double dose by June 18 :).

577368
 
Last edited:
My kids are 15 and 13 and I’m in my late 40’s. I‘m way more concerned about getting covid than about the vaccine effects (mine were mild). My kids were vaccinated 2 weeks ago tomorrow and I feel much better about them going back to school after three weeks online due to covid numbers where we live.
Mine are thrilled that they'll be vaccinated before their next school year starts. My 12yo really didn't want to even fly somewhere domestically until he was vaccinated, much less get on a cruise ship.
 
Many parents of kids 12 and older probably aren’t having many more kids and are older and probably not concerned about long term side effects for themselves. There obviously aren’t any studies of long term effects for a vaccine that didn’t exist a year ago - so you can understand the hesitation.

The vaccine has been there and studied for over 10 years.
 
The vaccine has been there and studied for over 10 years.
No, it hasn't.
I feel like this is the perfect example of a fact that can be interpreted differently to support different arguments.

mRNA vaccines dealing with various coronaviruses have indeed been around for over 10 years.
COVID-19, being a novel coronavirus, needed its own vaccine, so a new iteration of the mRNA vaccine was created.

This is why soundbites are such a problem in science today. Too often, talking heads, politicians, etc. deliver information as single sentences rather than as long, complex ideas.
 
The mRNA technology is not new - using it for this particular strain of virus is new.

While mRNA has been studied for years, it has never been used outside of clinical studies until covid. In 2018, scientists identified their primary safety concerns as ensuring the delivery system didn't cause systemic inflammation or contribute to increased blood coagulation.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998
Since these issues were flagged for more research pre-covid, I'm confident they were studied and closely observed in the covid vaccine trials. I was glad to take the pfizer vaccine myself---but I currently need more time and studies (or a more statistically serious covid strain) to feel comfortable vaccinating my 10 and under children. (I admit I might feel differently if my children were older/more statistically at risk.)
 
I feel like this is the perfect example of a fact that can be interpreted differently to support different arguments.

mRNA vaccines dealing with various coronaviruses have indeed been around for over 10 years.
COVID-19, being a novel coronavirus, needed its own vaccine, so a new iteration of the mRNA vaccine was created.

This is why soundbites are such a problem in science today. Too often, talking heads, politicians, etc. deliver information as single sentences rather than as long, complex ideas.

Guilty. My answer should have been more detailed.

What I meant to say was that mRNA technology was supposed to be used for SRAS (they didn't use it because the virus "disappeared") and was adapted later to COVID-19.
 
I’m actually very much in the minority on these boards in that DH and I prefer sailing on Carnival over Disney. *horrified gasp!* We have absolutely enjoyed our Disney cruises but have learned that we enjoy getting our Disney fix in the parks.

I agree that Carnival and other cruise lines have done a much better job with communication, but I have to assume it’s because every other cruise line relies completely on getting ships sailing. There are no other options. Disney has the luxury of being able to temporarily focus its attention on every other part of its vast portfolio and can keep cruising on the back burner for now. It’s not ideal, but they can do it. For how long I’m not sure.

And I agree that while we love CCL, yes some of the ships are downright gaudy! Soooo happy with the direction they’re taking with newer vessels!
Have you been on the pride. The Itinerars in Europe are Fantastic, but man that ship like you said is gaudy.
Carnival people seem to love it. You would hope every ship on every cruiseline is in pristine shape after not having passengers for over a year.

Disney has a big kid problem. It’s their bread and butter. Every time I’ve sailed on the Dream there were 1200 or more kids.
I could see them waiting until the CSO expires before setting sail. They can make their own rules after that. Hopefully. It’s allowed to expire.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

GET A DISNEY VACATION QUOTE

Dreams Unlimited Travel is committed to providing you with the very best vacation planning experience possible. Our Vacation Planners are experts and will share their honest advice to help you have a magical vacation.

Let us help you with your next Disney Vacation!


GET UP TO A $1000 SHIPBOARD CREDIT AND AN EXCLUSIVE GIFT!

If you make your Disney Cruise Line reservation with Dreams Unlimited Travel you’ll receive these incredible shipboard credits to spend on your cruise!















facebook twitter
Top