Cases rising or dropping by you?

[Pink Partridge]

I'm sorry, but flippant attitudes such as this are one of the reasons people are dying.

You are referring to a 98 year old dying. My goodness. They die. It's sad. I know from experience. I also watched my attention seeking mother SCREAM at a funeral where my 98 year old great-grandmother died. My great-grandmother would have been appalled.

If anything is unavoidable and expected? Someone in their 90s is going to die. There is nothing flippant about that statement.

 

[dreamer17555]

Things I have learned from this pandemic- People will go to great lengths to justify their selfishness.

Another thing I have learned- I personally will not allow selfish people frustrate me into following their lead. I will do my part regardless if they do theirs and hope, perhaps, they will start to care about their fellow human beings.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Things I have learned from this pandemic- People will go to great lengths to justify their selfishness.

You may call it selfish, but when I read someone wants to spend a holiday with their 80-90+ year old mother/grandmother/father/grandfather...I will not judge them. They know for the most part it may be their last holiday together. It has been 9 precious months for some people. Nine months since they held a loved one. I will not judge.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Things I have learned from this pandemic- People will go to great lengths to justify their selfishness.

What do you mean great lengths? I have a 90 year old grandma that won't live a week past Thanksgiving that the entire family has to come in and sing her favorite song at the top of our lungs. But we can't wear masks because we have lung problems. And Grandad wants the good china. So no paper plates. And it must be inside so grandma can play the piano.

 

[dreamer17555]

Note- I do not read sarcasm well when I’m up suffering from insomnia.

Carry on

 

[dreamer17555]

You may call it selfish, but when I read someone wants to spend a holiday with their 80-90+ year old mother/grandmother/father/grandfather...I will not judge them. They know for the most part it may be their last holiday together. It has been 9 precious months for some people. Nine months since they held a loved one. I will not judge.

I am not saying not to see them but that extra steps might need to be taken to protect each other and the community- quarantine before visiting, shorten guest list, wear masks, limiting eating and singing together, stay home as much as possible for the two weeks following the visit (this is mostly if you cannot trust others to quarantine before the visit). Refusing to adjust anything is selfish. By all means see your love ones but putting the community at risk is not ok.

 

[Pyotr]

I'm sorry, but flippant attitudes such as this are one of the reasons people are dying. Look up the wedding in Maine on August 7th that only had 65 people attend the ceremony. By September 16th, 175 people had contracted the virus because of that event. 7 people died. 6 of those 7 people did not even attend the wedding. Yes, they were residents of a rehab center, but we have no idea why they were at the rehab center. It was brought into the center by an employee who lives with someone who attended the wedding.

Finally, what does it not matter if someone who extremely vulnerable dies of the virus? Their lives have just as much value as the younger people are also dying. The sarcasm is rude and offensive and hurtful to every person who has lost someone to the virus, regardless of age or prior health.

I've lost people to Covid. I've also lost people to the response to Covid. All their lives matter.

I'm sorry you're offended and hurt by post on an online forum. Feel free to hit the ignore button.

 

[Pyotr]

I am not saying not to see them but that extra steps might need to be taken to protect each other and the community- quarantine before visiting, shorten guest list, wear masks, limiting eating and singing together, stay home as much as possible for the two weeks following the visit (this is mostly if you cannot trust others to quarantine before the visit). Refusing to adjust anything is selfish. By all means see your love ones but putting the community at risk is not ok.

I have to ask, does any family really sing together?

 

[Pyotr]

I've only been to one restaurant since March. I pretty much don't leave the house unless it's shopping or work. I follow all the rules. Wear a mask even though I question its efficacy. I wear my N95 when I'm around people who may be Covid positive. I'm high risk for getting Covid so I try to stay away from people.

People need to take precautions. The point I'm trying to make (apparently not well) is that the government should not make completely unenforceable restrictions.

How about educating people on the dangers of certain activities instead of threatening people for sharing serving dishes?

My friend back in Wisconsin, who would tell me daily about the dangers of corona, is awaiting her testing results. She apparently thought it was a good idea to go to a birthday party at a bar on Saturday night. Now she has symptoms and thinks she has it. People can preach all they want, but they need to follow their own advice.

 

[Shellsbutt]

I just wanted to add his article.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-elderly-people-are-dying-isolation-n1244853

Yes, this was on NBC nightly news a few days ago. Cause of death-failure to thrive. This is absolutely heartbreaking. I have no idea what the solution is but these elderly need to see their loved ones. There has to be a way to arrange this and still keep safety protocols in place.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I've only been to one restaurant since March. I pretty much don't leave the house unless it's shopping or work. I follow all the rules. Wear a mask even though I question its efficacy. I wear my N95 when I'm around people who may be Covid positive. I'm high risk for getting Covid so I try to stay away from people.

People need to take precautions. The point I'm trying to make (apparently not well) is that the government should not make completely unenforceable restrictions.

How about educating people on the dangers of certain activities instead of threatening people for sharing serving dishes?

My friend back in Wisconsin, who would tell me daily about the dangers of corona, is awaiting her testing results. She apparently thought it was a good idea to go to a birthday party at a bar on Saturday night. Now she has symptoms and thinks she has it. People can preach all they want, but they need to follow their own advice.

I agree it might not be fully enforceable, however, the power of shaming bad behavior can be significant. Also, it gives people doing the right thing credibility when they are standing up to family and friends and trying to keep people alive. Reality is some humans are more intelligent than others and within pods there will always be some who see more than their peers and can act to save an entire group. If these restrictions empower the intelligent outliers to influence the others in their orbit then it's a good thing.

No bad will come from paper plates, disposable utensils (can buy bamboo), reheating food, an open window in the bathroom, antimicrobial soap, paper towels, masks, sanitizer and freely available wipes but bad things will come from shaming someone who wants to take these precautions into being silent. If a family wants to sing, do it outside like carolers, maybe there was a reason Christmas Carolers stayed outside, maybe the old ways we more thoughtful than we realize.

 

[dreamer17555]

The issue with removing isolation in nursing homes is that people will not follow protocols. They will not test and quarantine before visits. Keep distance, wear a mask properly.

I think as a society we can do better and the elderly should be able to have visits but it has to be done safely and so many will not take the effort to be as safe as possible. I live in a state with a mask mandate. 25% of those shopping either aren't wearing a mask or it is not over their nose. How do you convince people to care and follow rules?

 

[Colleen27]

I have to ask, does any family really sing together?

I keep asking myself that one too. Especially at Thanksgiving. That's not really a singing holiday, is it? In my family, the better advice would to be turning off the football game to stop people yelling at the TV (because the Lions have a way of inspiring rather a lot of yelling, and not in celebration...).

I have also come to realize, thanks to the DIS, that the holidays are a Much. Bigger. Deal. in most families than in ours. Assuming everyone comes, we'll have 9 people for Thanksgiving dinner - DH & I and the two kids who aren't away at school, BIL & his wife and their only child, my mom and my MIL. My bonus son and his girlfriend are invited but are planning on spending the day with her family, last I heard. So ideas like reducing the guest list really aren't a thing around these parts.

 

[LuvOrlando]

By singing I assumed maybe a hymn or other religious song, I have observed a few different groups who sing in some way as a facet of celebration.

 

[RamblingMad]

I keep asking myself that one too. Especially at Thanksgiving. That's not really a singing holiday, is it? In my family, the better advice would to be turning off the football game to stop people yelling at the TV (because the Lions have a way of inspiring rather a lot of yelling, and not in celebration...).

I have also come to realize, thanks to the DIS, that the holidays are a Much. Bigger. Deal. in most families than in ours. Assuming everyone comes, we'll have 9 people for Thanksgiving dinner - DH & I and the two kids who aren't away at school, BIL & his wife and their only child, my mom and my MIL. My bonus son and his girlfriend are invited but are planning on spending the day with her family, last I heard. So ideas like reducing the guest list really aren't a thing around these parts.

No one has ever broken out into song during Thanksgiving in my home. My life isn't a Disney musical.

 

[Ariel484]

I don't have any thoughts on singing, but Ohio had 3590 new cases in the last 24 hours...by far the highest daily total we have had so far. % positive at 6%.

 

[wvjules]

I don't have any thoughts on singing, but Ohio had 3590 new cases in the last 24 hours...by far the highest daily total we have had so far. % positive at 6%.

OH should just test less. They'd have less cases.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Another case record for Illinois, 6,353. 56 deaths, not a record. 83,056 tests, 7.7% positive. To think we were at 400 maybe back in August and I think under 3%.

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[RamblingMad]

Some good news. The spread of flu is way below last year's numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

 

[JimMIA]

Another case record for Illinois, 6,353. 56 deaths, not a record. 83,056 tests, 7.7% positive. To think we were at 400 maybe back in August and I think under 3%.

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It can get a LOT worse. Our county hit 25+% one day, and we were at 20+% for weeks during our peak.

Hopefully you folks will come back down below 5%.