Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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Has anyone heard when they might start taking new package reservations at all? The website doesn't really give a timeline, just once they reach out to AP and booked guests. Hoping to book my 2021 package soon, which normally opens up mid June. Just worried that everyone will be modifying and moving their dates to next year once bookings/modifications can be made.
 
We have “done” Disney for many, many years. With kids of all ages. Now, it’s about “us”. We choose Yacht Club. I do not want to be moved to Beach Club. I would have loved to stay there when mine were younger, it has a much more family/young children/teenage vibe. I am not in any of those categories anymore. That is why we choose Yacht over Beach club. If that is what we are “offered” I will as for a possible move elsewhere. It’s not a “segregation thing. It’s a choice and phase of life thing.
 
Has anyone heard when they might start taking new package reservations at all? The website doesn't really give a timeline, just once they reach out to AP and booked guests. Hoping to book my 2021 package soon, which normally opens up mid June. Just worried that everyone will be modifying and moving their dates to next year once bookings/modifications can be made.

I’m watching like a hawk. I want to book my trip for the 50th!
 
But after a certain point, there really is nothing Disney can do to absolutely 100% guarantee someone isn't going to catch an illness/disease and have it traced back to a Disney property by a half-rate lawyer and sue Disney for a gazillion dollars. The laws just aren't written yet to cover this scenario, which is why they have to follow "The Plan" they presented to the state...when Joe Smith (not actual name) decides to sue Disney 14 days after he returns home, they can at least defer to the "approval" they received from the state and then the state becomes the liable party. The Disney lawyers are calling the shots here...
Question: which do you think is a bigger concern, potential covid lawsuits or the really bad optics/pr/impact to attendance that would come with any perception of WDW contributing to an outbreak? As has been pointed out, would be really hard to prove you got it at Disney. I think they have a legal obligation to protect their workers, hence the contract with the union laying out mask requirements etc. At the same time they have been pretty explicit in saying if you come here you are assuming the risks associated with covid. Any lawyers in the crowd, is that warning enough to protect them?
BUT if an outbreak starts, and people start to blame it on WDW and people avoid WDW in droves or the company gets bad PR isnt that harder to recover from? I think that’s what all the stringent safety measures are for. It’s “health theater” at a point but needed for appearances sake
 


I’m watching like a hawk. I want to book my trip for the 50th!
Just out of curiosity, I see a lot of people talking about reservations into next year. What is the incentive of scheduling a year in advance? There aren't discounts and offers extended out that far, are there?
 
Do we know if Ubers/Lyft are still going to be running? My mom is not a fan of the Disney buses so a reduced bus schedule really doesn't effect us. We mainly use Uber/Lyft to get around and more recently the Skyliner.
I wouldn't see why not. Not everyone uses the magical express or flies into Mco. I use Lyft a lot when I'm staying on property mainly because I'm not a fan of Disney transportation.
 
Just out of curiosity, I see a lot of people talking about reservations into next year. What is the incentive of scheduling a year in advance? There aren't discounts and offers extended out that far, are there?

The only advantage to booking that far in advance is you are assured you’ll get your resort of choice.
 


I'm starting to wonder if Disney isn't really close to just pulling the plug on all resort reservations and allowing existing reservation holders to re-schedule based on available inventory. That would suck, but maybe it's the best way to get rid of a lot people.

Edit: 100% speculation
Not out of the realm of possibility if they need to get capacity lower than it is now. Our trip is the first week in August, staying at POR, and it’s possible that they say "sorry but POR will be closed during that time and all relevant resort reservations will be refunded." But I remain confident they would have done that BEFORE offering the 35% discount to so many people.
 
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Just out of curiosity, I see a lot of people talking about reservations into next year. What is the incentive of scheduling a year in advance? There aren't discounts and offers extended out that far, are there?
We go a few times a year and usually book a month or two in advance and come from MA. I NEVER book this far in advance but our trip for june was cancelled sadly. So, we are booking in February for my 30th birthday and I want to make sure we can actually book the dates we want. Who knows what February will bring, if there will still be restrictions etc. but I know a lot of people are re-booking to next year. Otherwise like I said we book 30-60 days in advance. No incentive, but I know many people that secure their resort and room choice and then can apply promos when they come out if they are valid for their stay!
 
I'm starting to wonder if Disney isn't really close to just pulling the plug on all resort reservations and allowing existing reservation holders to re-schedule based on available inventory. That would suck, but maybe it's the best way to get rid of a lot people.

Edit: 100% speculation
They are bringing more problems onto themselves because they are giving out little bits of information here and there. Without a full picture of what a guest can expect, it seems many people are holding out on cancelling their reservations because not one of us really knows what to expect from a visit. I know I am. I want to know:

-what resorts are open and when
-what dining options are open and when
-what rides are open and when
-what other experiences (characters, shows, etc) are open and when
-what Disney transportation will be open and when
-who will be given first access for theme park reservations

The list goes on. Without knowing these things, people are waiting on cancellation-and rightfully so. And it appears Disney was not well-prepared and now won't have a full picture to give until they see how many CM decide to come back to work. They should have started this process a while ago.
 
Question: which do you think is a bigger concern, potential covid lawsuits or the really bad optics/pr/impact to attendance that would come with any perception of WDW contributing to an outbreak? As has been pointed out, would be really hard to prove you got it at Disney. I think they have a legal obligation to protect their workers, hence the contract with the union laying out mask requirements etc. At the same time they have been pretty explicit in saying if you come here you are assuming the risks associated with covid. Any lawyers in the crowd, is that warning enough to protect them?
BUT if an outbreak starts, and people start to blame it on WDW and people avoid WDW in droves or the company gets bad PR isnt that harder to recover from? I think that’s what all the stringent safety measures are for. It’s “health theater” at a point but needed for appearances sake
Good question, but I'm not sure they have a bigger concern, think they're pretty much hand-in-hand at the moment. "Proving" you got it at Disney may be hard to do, but that won't stop the lawsuits from being filed and costing Disney millions of dollars to defend against. I completely agree with protecting the workers, and in this case I'm glad there are unions that can provide one or two fronts for Disney corporate to deal with in lieu of thousands of individual workers, but unions also have an eye for looking out for themselves and their pocketbook so not everything they do is for altruistic reasons; most unions would not blink an eye if they could bankrupt management...until they realize that means no more union dues coming in. No, not particularly anti- or pro-union myself as I have worked while in a union and without a union in some of my positions, and know both have their positives and negatives.

And no, not a lawyer, but quite a few friends are...and most of them learn how to break a generic "come and you assume the risk" clause in any contract by the end of their first year of grad school. All you would have to do is go into a room and find a spec of dust in a covered, hidden corner of the room behind a dresser against the wall and Disney can be shown that they aren't keeping up their end of the contract in providing a "safe environment." How many lawsuits were filed after 9/11 against the building's owner even though every tenants' contract with the owner had a waiver of liability risk clause in it? Same thing here...Disney has to highlight that language (though similar language has been in their agreements for years) as a starting point, but they know it's not going to stop a majority of the lawsuits.
 
Not out of the realm of possibility if they need to get capacity lower than it is now. Our trip is the third week in August, staying at POR, and I remaining open to the possibility that they say "sorry but POR will be closed during that time and all relevant resort reservations will be refunded." But I remain confident they would have done that BEFORE offering the 35% discount to so many people.

Am I wrong or was the 35% discount offered with the possibility to rebook for a later date with the discount as well? I assumed it was mostly offered to encourage people to rebook their trips with the comfort that they wouldn't lose the value of the free dining discount (well, depending on room occupancy and resort class since a fully occupied room at a value would likely see a bigger benefit from free dining than 35% off). I don't think that Disney wants people to keep their trips intact for a bit.
 
Am I wrong or was the 35% discount offered with the possibility to rebook for a later date with the discount as well? I assumed it was mostly offered to encourage people to rebook their trips with the comfort that they wouldn't lose the value of the free dining discount (well, depending on room occupancy and resort class since a fully occupied room at a value would likely see a bigger benefit from free dining than 35% off). I don't think that Disney wants people to keep their trips intact for a bit.
I think the rumor was that you could use the 35% off for a future trip but it looks like they're just automatically issuing that discount if your free DP was deleted. Nothing about future trips yet.
 
But I completely agree...majority of what they are doing is for "health theatre," though if it does reduce/eliminate even one case of COVID-19 that leads to death (morbid thought, I admit) due to everyone taking extra precautions, it probably is worth it all-around at this point. But in the end, people have to assess the risks and take responsibility for their own lives at some point.
 
Good question, but I'm not sure they have a bigger concern, think they're pretty much hand-in-hand at the moment. "Proving" you got it at Disney may be hard to do, but that won't stop the lawsuits from being filed and costing Disney millions of dollars to defend against. I completely agree with protecting the workers, and in this case I'm glad there are unions that can provide one or two fronts for Disney corporate to deal with in lieu of thousands of individual workers, but unions also have an eye for looking out for themselves and their pocketbook so not everything they do is for altruistic reasons; most unions would not blink an eye if they could bankrupt management...until they realize that means no more union dues coming in. No, not particularly anti- or pro-union myself as I have worked while in a union and without a union in some of my positions, and know both have their positives and negatives.

And no, not a lawyer, but quite a few friends are...and most of them learn how to break a generic "come and you assume the risk" clause in any contract by the end of their first year of grad school. All you would have to do is go into a room and find a spec of dust in a covered, hidden corner of the room behind a dresser against the wall and Disney can be shown that they aren't keeping up their end of the contract in providing a "safe environment." How many lawsuits were filed after 9/11 against the building's owner even though every tenants' contract with the owner had a waiver of liability risk clause in it? Same thing here...Disney has to highlight that language (though similar language has been in their agreements for years) as a starting point, but they know it's not going to stop a majority of the lawsuits.

It probably doesn't cost Disney all that much to stop the more frivolous lawsuits. They either bury the plaintiffs in paper and offer a minimal settlement. Disney already pays for a massive legal team, so the costs of stopping a basic lawsuit are already built-in for them. They only bring in the big fancy lawyers (like my former firm that billed my time out to clients at over $500 my first year out of law school when mostly all I was doing were compiling signature page packets for signings and proofreading documents) when things escalate. Small practitioners, who likely are getting paid on contingency, don't have the resources to keep fighting a claim (especially if its not great) and they typically cave pretty quickly. In my original post, I meant to imply the optics/PR issues. I think Disney will factor the risk of PR issues with safety measures and potential exposure into their consideration of "costs" when opening resorts and are not likely to want any resort operating close to 100% capacity for the near future. I'm not sure how many resort guests they anticipate will be coming upon opening (or will allow to come) but they likely are going to open enough resorts such that no resort is 100% full, especially in the beginning.
 
I'm starting to wonder if Disney isn't really close to just pulling the plug on all resort reservations and allowing existing reservation holders to re-schedule based on available inventory. That would suck, but maybe it's the best way to get rid of a lot people.

Edit: 100% speculation
I have a feeling Disney won't cancel existing reservations for when the resorts are open. Opening and running the resorts cost a chunk of money that Disney won't want to be without. They don't want to run them on too much of a loss. If they have to keep the resorts open for DVC members then it does not cost much more to open it up for others as well. This, I believe is why moving evereyone to the DVC resorts makes sense. I really could be wrong but I just don't think the weeks before opening are gonig to be that busy. The only folks there are die hard Disney Fans that want to get away, DVC owners that have to use or loose points and/or people that have to take mandatory time off in that time period and say "Ok, what the heck lets just go hang out at Disney". (We happen to fall into the latter category).
 
They are bringing more problems onto themselves because they are giving out little bits of information here and there. Without a full picture of what a guest can expect, it seems many people are holding out on cancelling their reservations because not one of us really knows what to expect from a visit. I know I am. I want to know:

-what resorts are open and when
-what dining options are open and when
-what rides are open and when
-what other experiences (characters, shows, etc) are open and when
-what Disney transportation will be open and when
-who will be given first access for theme park reservations

The list goes on. Without knowing these things, people are waiting on cancellation-and rightfully so. And it appears Disney was not well-prepared and now won't have a full picture to give until they see how many CM decide to come back to work. They should have started this process a while ago.

It's because it hasn't been figured out yet. It takes a lot to redo the operations of a massive machine like WDW. Be patient and know that you'll have your answers before they reopen. And since no one knows how it'll work, no one has an advantage. We're all on a level playing field. I'd like to know these answers too, but I don't, and as long as I do before I need to do anything, I really don't care.
 
It’s not a “segregation thing. It’s a choice and phase of life thing.
This is an excellent point. People choose resorts for very specific reasons, and some of those reasons have nothing to do with cost. Proximity to parks, dining options, transportation options, bed configurations, overall feel/vibe of the resort, etc. Whether it's a move within category or an "upgrade" there are some people who won't be happy with the move regardless. So I do hope that Disney makes the resort decisions sooner rather than later and gives people enough time to cancel if they choose.
 
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