Are Disney parks no longer for the Middle class?

Was this meant as a joke that I missed? That’s a crazy amount imo especially for higher incomes. And if you’re the median of $50k or so that’s $14K on Wdw.
I thought it was obvious it was a joke and then added the grinning face to make sure.

The 28/36 rule applies to mortgages. You should not exceed 28% of your gross income for household expenses and 36% of your gross income for all debts.
 
I thought it was obvious it was a joke and then added the grinning face to make sure.

The 28/36 rule applies to mortgages. You should not exceed 28% of your gross income for household expenses and 36% of your gross income for all debts.
Ok lol. I hadn’t really read the whole thread & happened to catch that post.
 
I always balk at the idea of "middle income" vs "high income" etc. As an indicator of where people are in their overall financial state Accumulated Wealth or Net Worth is a much better indicator of one's financial health. Ask the average person what does being wealthy mean and the response you get 80% + of the time is, well if you make $xxx,xxx.00 a year then you are whatever. As they say, it's not about what you make, it's about what you keep. I read a recent article that suggested that to be in the top 1% of net wealth on the planet all you needed was $422,000 in net worth. Think about that of the 7+ billion people on the planet to be in the top 70 million in terms of net worth all you need is $422k. Seems like a lot but in the US if you take the equity in your house, your 401k or other retirement funds, and any retirement plan you may have and then look at the present value of your Social Security benifits then a ton of the 325 million people in America are in the top 1% globally. This gives me a totally different view of middle class and the cost of a Disney vacation.

That said, yes Disney World is an expensive vacation but it really caters to repeat business and multiple trips which for large families becomes expensive. Wife and I are 60, we go three times a year so we have AP's which cuts ticket cost, there are only two of us and she is retired and I get 6 weeks of vacation a year. We can go off peak, with AP's and have points to fly on SW airlines because of our SW Visa. We are going in February for a week using points for flights, and our AP for no ticket costs. We will stay at Pop Century and got AP room rates so our out of pocket cost for a week excluding food and extra purchases will be $1,000. Sure we had to pay for the AP's but that's a sunk cost so the incremental cost is a lot less. Hence Disney caters to the repeat business. One offs or once in a lifetime trips tend to get very pricey.

But when compared to many other vacations WDW is not completely out of line. If you fly, stay in hotels and rent cars for other trips the total out of pocket is comparable to WDW in many instances.

There are many ways to make it to WDW without breaking the budget.
 
Disney always required saving to visit by the middle class. Song remains the same even if the hotels accessible have changed.
 
I started to respond to this thread and as I was typing my words started to seem familiar. I looked back over the early posts and--sure enough--I've already responded.

But I want to reiterate what I said in a nutshell. When Disney was JUST Magic Kingdom, a family only had to spend a day at Disney to see/do it all. That is affordable for most, especially if you drive, and long road trip-style family vacations in the station wagon used to be much more common.

Now that more people fly, and it takes a full week's worth of park entry to feel like you got to do and see most of what Disney has to offer, and the uncountable "extras" that to many people seem like an almost necessary part of the experience ($100 droid-building, $60 a person character meals, etc.), Disney is becoming less affordable.
 
Disney is becoming less affordable.

The increase in park tickets is more than offset by the huge reduction in airplane fares. I think our family paid $800 RT to fly from Minneapolis to Los Angeles to go to Disneyland back in the 1980s. We only went once. Fast forward to today and we can fly from Seattle to Orange County for less than $300 RT. We go several times per year.
 
The increase in park tickets is more than offset by the huge reduction in airplane fares.
I guess that's true. That's probably why more people fly these days rather than drive; gas prices are higher and flights are fairly low. But if you have a large family it might still make more sense to drive. My family of five in the 70s never flew anywhere; if we couldn't drive there we didn't go.
 
The increase in park tickets is more than offset by the huge reduction in airplane fares. I think our family paid $800 RT to fly from Minneapolis to Los Angeles to go to Disneyland back in the 1980s. We only went once. Fast forward to today and we can fly from Seattle to Orange County for less than $300 RT. We go several times per year.

That's a good point. On my family's one and only trip to WDW when I was a kid, we paid about $350pp r/t for airfare. I've never paid more than $200pp r/t for my family, and we've gone maybe two dozen times since 2004. So that frees up a few hundred bucks to offset the higher costs of everything else.
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Can any "middle class family" afford A DISNEY vacation? Answer: NO
I have friends who have a $350-$400 thousand dollar home ( very, very large and nice in my area), they have a million dollars in their bank for retirement( coming soon) and how do I know, because I got to listen to every bit of her financial tally from here, there and everywhere. My point being, they are still in the MIDDLE Class, albeit an upper Middle Class.
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Can any "middle class family" afford A DISNEY vacation? Answer: NO
I have friends who have a $350-$400 thousand dollar home ( very, very large and nice in my area), they have a million dollars in their bank for retirement( coming soon) and how do I know, because I got to listen to every bit of her financial tally from here, there and everywhere. My point being, they are still in the MIDDLE Class, albeit an upper Middle Class.
That's not middle class in my opinion
 
Disagree. Disney was quite reasonable when I was a kid. It has increased far, far more than inflation since those times.

Reasonable is subjective. My family was very middle class growing up, and we never went on fancy vacations. My first trip to Disney World was at age 29.

What was a reasonable vacation for us was to drive 4 hours north up to Mackinaw City and stay at a motel there. Not even a "fancy" one on the water, but a cheaper one not on the lakeshore.
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Can any "middle class family" afford A DISNEY vacation? Answer: NO
I have friends who have a $350-$400 thousand dollar home ( very, very large and nice in my area), they have a million dollars in their bank for retirement( coming soon) and how do I know, because I got to listen to every bit of her financial tally from here, there and everywhere. My point being, they are still in the MIDDLE Class, albeit an upper Middle Class.
That is not even close to being middle class. LOL
 
That is not even close to being middle class. LOL
Eh, those results are definitely possible if you're on the upper portion of middle class (depending on age).
https://www.thebalance.com/definition-of-middle-class-income-4126870 said:
There is no official U.S. government definition of middle-class income, but the Pew Research Center defines it as between 67% and 200% of the median household income. This categorizes households earning between $41,119 and $122,744 in 2017 as middle-class families. That uses the U.S. median income figure of $61,372 from that same year, as reported by the Census Bureau's September 2018 report.

The problem is that most people view "wealthy" and "middle class" relative to their own position. For someone making 60k, the idea of a 100k salary involves images of champagne and caviar.

Reasonable is subjective. My family was very middle class growing up, and we never went on fancy vacations. My first trip to Disney World was at age 29.

What was a reasonable vacation for us was to drive 4 hours north up to Mackinaw City and stay at a motel there. Not even a "fancy" one on the water, but a cheaper one not on the lakeshore.
It comes down to priorities a lot of times as travel really isn't that expensive. My experience is that many of the same people who "must be nice" my vacations have $500/month car payments and spend $10 on lunch everyday.
 
The problem is that most people view "wealthy" and "middle class" relative to their own position. For someone making 60k, the idea of a 100k salary involves images of champagne and caviar.
Why? Where I live $350,000 buys a tiny fixer upper, and if you don’t have a million in the bank by retirement, you are moving.
I agree with both of these statements.
 
Unfortunately, in the US, everyone, no matter how secure they think they are, is one life-threatening medical emergency away from bankruptcy and financial ruin.
Not the 1% but certainly the vast majority of the other 99%.
 

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