Multi-Site POS Revision Dated 01/19/19

There's absolutely ZERO chance the Star Wars hotel has a DVC component. BUT, there is a rumor of a front of Epcot hotel which could follow reflections. Plus BLT2 rumor has not totally gone away.
I thought the front of Epcot hotel/DVC has been shelved for the time being. From what I’ve read it was considered but is not a go @ this point - but they’ll need something after Reflections, although isn’t reflections going to be a pretty big resort, so it may take awhile to sell out.
 
I guess I don't see where people say Disney can't do this. They already have 3 classes of owners - now 4.
1) Ones that bought direct
2) Ones that bought resale after 2012 but before 2016 and can't trade into Disney collection etc... (Forget exact dates)
3) Ones that bought resale after 2016 but before Jan 19, 2019 and don't get membership perks
And now
4) Ones that bought resale after Jan 19, 2019 and don't get any of the above, OR get to trade out of their home resort.

No one has disputed them doing these things before? Why now? And I KNOW there are other timeshare systems that do the same thing (buy resale and you can't trade out of your home resort).

Is it sort of sad that Disney has degraded their product? Yes, but only for those that buy resale. Direct buyer still gets the "elite" experience, they just don't get the financial benefit of resale being worth as much, but there are no promises anywhere that says Disney has to maximize the value of your property if you sell it.

I'm not defending what Disney is doing - only that they aren't breaking any laws in doing it.

If someone really thinks the laws are being broken, why not get a lawsuit going???

There is a major difference between the prior restrictions placed on resale purchasers and the new one that prohibits post-January 19, 2019 resale purchasers of the existing 14 resorts from reserving Riviera (and future resorts) and precludes Riviera resale purchasers from using the other DVC resorts. All those previously created restrictions on resale purchasers addressed "incidental benefits," e.g., reserving a Disney hotel with points, discounts for AP's, merchandise and restaurants, and Moonlight Magic nights. Incidental benefits are benefits created by the developer that it can provide or take away at any time and nothing in the POS or its contracts creates a right for any purchaser to have and retain incidental benefits.

The difference now is that DVD is, for the first time, taking aim directly at material rights actually covered by the POS, which includes the site POS and Multi-Site POS, all the disclosures and other statements contained therein, the declarations, bylaws, and various agreements including the DVC Membership Agreement and DVC Resort Agreement. Though DVD can make modifications to some things set out in the POS, it cannot, absent the vote of the actual DVC members, do away with material rights of owners created in the POS.

What has happened is that DVD took the CCV POS documents as a draft for Riviera, modified the declarations and disclosure documents somewhat to reflect that resale purchasers can now be restricted from use of the services and benefits of the Disney Vacation Club, including the DVC Reservation Component, the reservation system that applies to Club Members reserving DVC Resorts other than the one they own. DVD and BVTC then, via a new DVC Resort Agreement for Riviera, made substantial changes and deletions in relation to all previously existing DVC Resort Agreements, and added new terms which prohibit post Jan 19, 2019 resale purchasers from ever using the DVC reservation Component to reserve Riviera . The issue is simply whether DVD and BVTC could enter into and enforce such a DVC Resort Agreement. An examination of the terms of the prior POS's and applicable agreements shows it is not a valid agreement. The following uses references to the BWV POS documents but others are the same in relevant respects, although applicable section numbers differ.

Some Key Definitions: the documents in various places (including disclosure documents, declarations, and the DVC Resort Agreemen) define a "Club Member" as the Owner of record of an Ownership Interest in a DVC Resort. An Owner is defined as the owner of any unit in a DVC Resort. Neither definition excludes any resale purchasers. A "DVC Resort" means each resort entitled to access to the DVC Reservation Component. The “DVC Reservation Component” is the exchange reservation component operated by BVTC through which Vacation Homes in any DVC Resort can be reserved with DVC Vacation Points. “DVC Vacation Points” are Home Resort Points that are converted to Disney Vacation Points for the purpose of reserving a DVC Resort other than the one owned by the Club Member.

Club Member: The documents expand on who a Club Member is and the rights of a Club Member. Membership in the Disney Vacation Club is deemed to be an appurtenance to every Ownership Interest. Upon recording of a deed, the Club Member is “automatically entitled to enjoy the services and benefits associated with membership in the Club.” If a member transfers his Ownership Interest to another, the transferee automatically becomes a Club Member. (Declarations §5.2.) if DVD fails to exercise its right of first refusal in a resale and a sale is completed, the transferee automatically becomes a Club Member. In fact, that resale purchaser has no right to turn down or attempt to exclude himself from Club Membership. (Id §13.1.) Thus, by the terms of POS every resale purchaser is an owner and is included as a Club Member, and is entitled to enjoy the services and benefits of the Club. Whenever the POS and agreements use the term “Club Member, “ the term automatically includes resale purchasers.

Use of the DVC Reservation Component: The services provided by the Disney Vacation Club include the use of the DVC Reservation Component. (Definition of Disney Vacation Club in Multi-Site POS.), Every “Owner” (Dec.§12.12b) and “all Club Members” (Multi-Site POS §III.3.b(2)) are entitled to use the DVC Reservation Component to make reservations at any non-owned DVC Resort using Disney Vacation Points. The Member’s use rights are ones applicable on a first come first served basis subject to the limitation that results from the home resort priority period, (Id. §4.)

Adding a New DVC Resort
: The addition of any new DVC Resort “will result in the addition of new Club Members” from that resort [which as noted above is defined to include all resale purchasers] who will have the opportunity to make reservations for the use of Vacation Homes at any DVC Resort. Moreover, the addition “will afford existing Club Members” the opportunity to reserve at the added resort. (Id.§III.3.6(b and DVC resort Agreement §6.4)

BWV DVC Resort Agreement
(which is.substantially the same as others except Riviera): The agreement is entered into by the association on behalf of “all Club Members.” BVTC agrees “to arrange for the assignment and possession and use of Disney’s Boardwalk Villas Vacation Homes by Club Members from other DVC Resorts and the possession and use of Vacation Homes at other DVC Resorts by Club Members from Disney’s Boardwalk Villas through the DVC Reservation Component.” (§§ 2.1, 2.4.) Again, “Club Members” includes all resale purchasers. DVD enters into the agreement to acknowledge its consent and acceptance of all the terms and conditions of the agreement. (§2.2),

DVD and the association represent and warrant that “each Club Member” has the right to use his Ownership Interest in accordance with the Disney Boardwalk Villa Documents (§4.2), which documents, of course, provide that every BWV Owner and Club Member, including all resale purchasers, can use the DVC Reservation Component to reserve other DVC Resorts. A “Club Member” can participate in the DVC Reservation Component by using Home Resort Vacation Points as Disney Vacation Points to make a reservation at other DVC Resorts. (§5.2.)

As to adding new DVC Resorts, BVTC has the right to determine if a resort should be added as a DVC Resort. “In the event BVTC associates one or more additional resorts as DVC Resorts, the DVC Resort Agreement executed to effect such association shall be substantially similar to this Agreement in all material respects.” (§6-1). The “Club Members” of the new resort will have the opportunity to use Vacation Homes through use of the DVC Reservation Component under the same terms and conditions that are applicable to existing Club Members. In making a decision to add a new resort, BVTC must act “in the bests interests of the Club Members taken as a whole with respect to the Club Members’ opportunity to use and enjoy all Vacation homes and related facilities made available through the DVC Reservation Component.” Factors it must consider include the availability for Club Members to use and enjoy the added resort. §6-2.b.)

The Multi-Site POS points out four things DVD can do when it develops a new resort: (a) it can seek to add that resort as a DVC Resort via a DVC Resort Agreement under which “the new Club Members will have the right to make reservations at existing DVC Resorts along with existing Club Members”; (b) it can keep the new resort separate from the existing DVC Resorts and create an independent exchange program for use by the new resort to trade with the DVC resorts, but no members of the new resort will have the right to use the DVC Reservation Component; (c)it can create a separate vacation club and plan. without making accommodations available to the existing DVC, in which case existing Club members will not use the new resort; (d) it can operate the new resort as a hotel, in which case Club members will have no right to use the new resort. (Multi-Site POS §3.6.f.) Noteworthy is that option (a) does not reserve any ability to enter into a DVC Resort Agreement that prohibits resale Club Members from using the DVC Reservation Component.

The combination of terms leads to the conclusion that DVD and BVTC cannot do what they have done, which is to have a new DVC Resort Agreement for Riviera that does not contain the same material terms as prior agreements and is directly contrary to the rights of Club Members, which includes all resale purchasers, to use the DVC Reservation Component. Moreover, Riviera cannot be a DVC Resort unless its Club Members, both new and resale, have the same rights to use the DVC Reservation Component as existing Club members. Both BVTC and DVD appear to have just decided to ignore the rights set out in the prior POS’s and agreements and create a new DVC Resort Agreement that prohibits resale Club Members from using the DVC Reservation Component.

So if you exclude from the definition of "illegality" BVTC's breach of prior agreements and violation of its fiduciary duties, DVD's intentional interference with the POS and contracts applicable to the existing DVC resorts and their associations and members, and DVD's attempt to effectively amend, without an actual member vote, the material terms of prior POS's and agreements applicable to the Club Members of the 14 existing DVC resorts, then yes, maybe you can conclude it is not illegal.

DVD could possibly have accomplished what it is attempting to do by setting up a new DVC separate from the existing one and then creating some kind of exchange program between the new DVC and the old DVC that allowed trading between the different DVC programs with the restrictions it created for Riviera. That is actually contemplated as a possibility in the existing POS's. But doing that would have required more expensive legal work than was devoted to this change which consisted of just taking the prior CCV POS and agreements as a draft and making some language changes to reach the current result.

As to a lawsuit, it is something to consider. There is, of course, the issue that existing members are not immediately affected and will not suffer actual harm unless they buy resales in the future or go to sell what they currently have and resale prices have diminished as a result. You also have the issue that even if you beat DVD, it could possibly fix the problem by starting over again and doing a separate DVC 2. So you need to weigh whether an immediate suit is needed and would be ultimately effective in doing away with the new resale restrictions.
 
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@drusba - I understand what you're saying. It seems like someone should be taking on Disney in this situation, but it turns around back to the same situation as the reallocation plan - how do you get a lawyer to support what would be a protracted and expensive litigation.
 


Disney probably does not want to start a DVC 2 because it may raise some questions among less informed first time buyers. A simple google search of what is the difference between DVC and DVC 2 may cause some people to rethink their purchase.
 
Disney probably does not want to start a DVC 2 because it may raise some questions among less informed first time buyers. A simple google search of what is the difference between DVC and DVC 2 may cause some people to rethink their purchase.

Very likely. But it still doesn't mean they can just ignore it because they don't want to do it while still wanting to place the other restrictions.
 
I wonder why they just didn't add the Riviera to the L14's Disney Collection. That prevents nearly all resale purchasers (anyone who bought resale after 3/21/2001) from booking Riviera and allows Disney a way to control availability between the L14 and the Riviera (just as they do for the non-DVC WDW resorts & DCL). The DC chart need not be the same as the one for Riviera owners to book the Riviera, either - i.e., it could cost cost more L14 points to book a Riviera villa than it does to book the Riviera villa with Riviera points - if they wanted to play it that way.

They would then establish a separate "Collection" just for the Riviera direct buyers to use to book the L14 resorts and any other non-DVC resorts that will be options for the Riviera owners.. They could even make Riviera points worth more than the L14 points and renegotiate the "differential" annually.

Anyway, I'm sure there are many legal ways for them to accomplish their goals. It doesn't look like they really thought it through and now have to reevaluate. I wonder if sales will be delayed from the original start date because of this. We'll see.
 


@drusba - I understand what you're saying. It seems like someone should be taking on Disney in this situation, but it turns around back to the same situation as the reallocation plan - how do you get a lawyer to support what would be a protracted and expensive litigation.

A lawsuit against the 2020 reallocation would have been against DVCMC, which means against ourselves: we would have paid the legal expenses for DVCMC to fight it. In this case, it wouldn't be hard to demonstrate that all those changes have been done by DVD will to boost sales. Imagine if a judge decides that all sales at direct Riviera have been influenced by the resale restrictions and sentenses DVD to pay a % of every sale to owners, it could be millions. Maybe there could be a lawyer interested in taking the case on a contingency basis.
The best course is to write to Yvonne, explain her the situation and see what happens. She has demonstrated she can understand when it's better to roll back (quite a brave decision to take). The best could happen is they might lift restrictions for Riviera, put it in the Club with the same terms as the other L14 and retry again for Reflections in a different way.

As to a lawsuit, it is something to consider. There is, of course, the issue that existing members are not immediately affected and will not suffer actual harm unless they buy resales in the future or go to sell what they currently have and resale prices have diminished as a result.

A huge thank you for the time you spent to write your excellent post!
There is one immediate and one short term effect to consider:
- the resale price of the L14 resorts might already have been affected. While it's hard to judge if and how much (we've seen a small dip, is it caused by the new restrictions?) the new rules are put in place to decrease resale contracts value, it would be hard for Disney to say they don't have an effect
- in the short term, as soon as Riviera owners can start booking the L14 resorts and new resale owners (since January) cannot book Riviera, there will be an imbalance that may affect existing owners
 
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There is one immediate and one short term effect to consider:
- the resale price of the L14 resorts might already have been affected. While it's hard to judge if and how much (we've seen a small dip, is it caused by the new restrictions?) the new rules are put in place to decrease resale contracts value, it would be hard for Disney to say they don't have an effect

The fact that there was an abnormally high number of resales put onto the market in January ahead of the 1/19/19 deadline, and a lot of sales made, proves the point that the announced restrictions had an effect on the market. What effect that actually was, I don't know.
 
@drusba

Thank you! You have answered my question. Unfortunately, it is not the answer I had hoped it would be, but it confirms what I have suspected. Nearly all owners are affected and will be injured by this move. Only those that know that they and their heirs will be happy to pay their dues for the next 22 - 48 years and will never have a need to purchase additional points will not be affected.

While it is likely that individuals bringing lawsuits will be prohibitively expensive, it may be worth a shot filing complaints with government agencies including the Florida State Attorney and the Orlando Comptroller. This could also be construed as a form a price fixing or at least, price manipulation, which could be looked at by the Justice Department (OK - that one is a stretch). I am not saying any of those agencies can or will do anything, but if Drusba is correct, then I am considering all options.
 
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They’re in the same boat as the reallocation at this point, boat being the likelihood of being sued.

Believing you have the legal high ground is one thing. Letting the argument play out in Court is another.

The reallocation debate reached a critical mass where it was highly likely they’d actually have to defend it in Court.

There’s a difference in being extremely confident in the futility of a suit against you and actually contemplating how to defend against specific, publicly made interpretations of your publicly available contracts.

In both cases, enough information is now out there that the likelihood of a suit regarding these issues approaches 1.0.

I think Riviera was supposed to be released and for sale in conjunction with their sweepstakes that was emailed on Tues.

I think it’s being rethought. In any case, if the current plans go forward as have been articulated, somebody with standing will evaluate these documents and arguments and get a legal colleague or friendly counsel to go down this road. At this point, it’s almost certainly not a matter of “if” but “when”.
 
The bottom line is this, every other past restriction dealt with a perk, something the contract specifically counsels may be revoked or ended at will. These new restrictions attempt to limit the function of the deeded interest. Being a club member, with all the rights and privileges thereto assigned, is simply not a perk; it’s a deeded right.

I was very upset about the 2016 restrictions - and it doesn’t even apply to any of my contracts - but I didn’t argue that they breached the contract. I argued they were wrong-headed. Sure. They were.

DVC made an effort to distinguish between “club member” and “purchaser” then and some resale members rightly complained that they too were club members. Not giving resale buyers a membership card was crummy (see, I used a nice word) behavior, but that was really a game of semantics.

These new restrictions are no longer playing with common and customary definitions but instead, they offer direct challenge to the legal definition of “club member”. If today’s DVC wants to abrogate the definition of “club member” as legally defined by their predecessors (whom set up an elegant offering), they’re most likely going to have to defend that decision.
 
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I wonder why they just didn't add the Riviera to the L14's Disney Collection. That prevents nearly all resale purchasers (anyone who bought resale after 3/21/2001) from booking Riviera and allows Disney a way to control availability between the L14 and the Riviera (just as they do for the non-DVC WDW resorts & DCL). The DC chart need not be the same as the one for Riviera owners to book the Riviera, either - i.e., it could cost cost more L14 points to book a Riviera villa than it does to book the Riviera villa with Riviera points - if they wanted to play it that way.

They would then establish a separate "Collection" just for the Riviera direct buyers to use to book the L14 resorts and any other non-DVC resorts that will be options for the Riviera owners.. They could even make Riviera points worth more than the L14 points and renegotiate the "differential" annually.

Anyway, I'm sure there are many legal ways for them to accomplish their goals. It doesn't look like they really thought it through and now have to reevaluate. I wonder if sales will be delayed from the original start date because of this. We'll see.

Doesn't this effectively create a DVC2? The trading between DRR & L14 wouldn't be as seamless as it is now amongst L14, right (I don't know because I am not eligible to book Disney collection and I would never entertain it because of poor value anyway)?

LAX
 
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The way I see it, they have 3 choices if they don't want to have to defend this:

1. They can back down and revert the contracts to the same as the other resorts

2. They can create a DVC 2 and a new club with trading privileges for some members with the original club

3. They can make Riviera a completely separate resort, where the owners are not members of the current club, but some have trading privileges through a contract with BVTC that is a different type of agreement not admitting Riviera into the current club.
 
I think the deeded club membership is the stronger argument but there’s also Fl. St. 721.556(6):
“Prior to offering the multisite timeshare plan, the developer shall create the reservation system and shall establish rules and regulations for its operation. In establishing these rules and regulations, the developer shall take into account the location and anticipated relative use demand of each component site that he or she intends to offer as a part of a plan and shall use his or her best efforts, in good faith and based upon all reasonably available evidence under the circumstances, to further the best interests of the plan as a whole with respect to their opportunity to use and enjoy the accommodations and facilities of the plan. The rules and regulations shall also provide for periodic adjustment or amendment of the reservation system by the managing entity from time to time in order to respond to actual purchaser use patterns and changes in purchaser use demand for the accommodations and facilities existing at that time in the plan. The person authorized to make additions and substitutions during the term of the multisite timeshare plan shall also comply with the requirements of this subsection in ascertaining the desirability of the proposed addition, substitution, adjustment, or amendment and the impact of same upon the demand for and availability of existing plan accommodations and faclities.” (Emphasis added.)
 
The way I see it, they have 3 choices if they don't want to have to defend this:

1. They can back down and revert the contracts to the same as the other resorts

2. They can create a DVC 2 and a new club with trading privileges for some members with the original club

3. They can make Riviera a completely separate resort, where the owners are not members of the current club, but some have trading privileges through a contract with BVTC that is a different type of agreement not admitting Riviera into the current club.

I have to say - just because they backed down on the point re-allocation, I would bet good money that they will not back down on this one. We'll see. Has anyone actually called to talk to anyone about it??
 
Per Merriam-Webster online -

Definition of land grab

: a usually swift acquisition of property (such as land or patent rights) often by fraud or force
 
The way I see it, they have 3 choices if they don't want to have to defend this:

1. They can back down and revert the contracts to the same as the other resorts

2. They can create a DVC 2 and a new club with trading privileges for some members with the original club

3. They can make Riviera a completely separate resort, where the owners are not members of the current club, but some have trading privileges through a contract with BVTC that is a different type of agreement not admitting Riviera into the current club.

There is a fourth option - allow owners to only book at their home resort. This of course applies to all owners. Your 3 are much better options.
 
I think the deeded club membership is the stronger argument but there’s also Fl. St. 721.556(6):
“Prior to offering the multisite timeshare plan, the developer shall create the reservation system and shall establish rules and regulations for its operation. In establishing these rules and regulations, the developer shall take into account the location and anticipated relative use demand of each component site that he or she intends to offer as a part of a plan and shall use his or her best efforts, in good faith and based upon all reasonably available evidence under the circumstances, to further the best interests of the plan as a whole with respect to their opportunity to use and enjoy the accommodations and facilities of the plan. The rules and regulations shall also provide for periodic adjustment or amendment of the reservation system by the managing entity from time to time in order to respond to actual purchaser use patterns and changes in purchaser use demand for the accommodations and facilities existing at that time in the plan. The person authorized to make additions and substitutions during the term of the multisite timeshare plan shall also comply with the requirements of this subsection in ascertaining the desirability of the proposed addition, substitution, adjustment, or amendment and the impact of same upon the demand for and availability of existing plan accommodations and faclities.” (Emphasis added.)
This gives Disney the right to adjust the plan to balance use and demand. As you emphasize, they must do so to benefit the plan as a whole. That is quite a different concept than arbitrarily giving some owners a greater benefit at the expense of other owners.
 
I really believe that current leadership vastly underestimates the value of goodwill and word of mouth to DVC’s success.

Up until now, current DVC owners have been the best advertisements for DVC, and the most consistent buyers of new resorts.

This whole chapter of DVC - these last six months - with drip after drip of undermining that goodwill and silencing that word of mouth has been an unmitigated disaster for DVC as a brand.

They need to rethink more than the legality of what they’re trying to do. They need to seriously rethink service recovery to their brand vis a vi current owners walking this back could generate.
 
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