The Running Thread - 2018

QOTD: How do you determine which day you will do your speed work run of the week? Do you plan a activity recovery run the day after or a complete rest day? What other factors do you consider?
ATTQOTD: I don't follow a plan so each week, I just mix in different paces and distances. I typically follow a long or a faster tempo run with a slow run. And usually mix in a rest day every third or fourth day depending on my schedule and/or how my body is feeling. But the "when" I do which run mostly depends on how I feel that day, how much time I have and the weather conditions.
 
ATTQOTD:
Short answer: Whatever my @DopeyBadger plan says.

This!

Long answer: Sundays and Wednesday are rest days. Mondays and Fridays are easy days. Saturday is long run day. Tuesdays and Thursdays are SOS (something of substance) days.

I realize that was chronologically confusing. To simplify: SOS days are always bracketed by a rest day and an easy day.

Oddly enough, typing the answer made this pop into my head: "Will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays?" Extra points if you don't have to Google it!
 
QOTD: How do you determine which day you will do your speed work run of the week?

I obey the plan. Right now I'm using Hansons, so I'm sorta getting some @DopeyBadger philosophy in there.

Do you plan a activity recovery run the day after or a complete rest day?

Yes. (That is, at 6 runs per week, one of them gets a full day off, but the other one gets easy days after.)

What other factors do you consider?

Honestly, I don't feel knowledgeable enough to mess with the plan! But of course if something just doesn't feel right I'll cut a run short or skip it.


ALSO! Big milestone today. I crossed 1000 miles for the year on my run this morning! I did about 1500 total last year, so I'm on pace to top that.
 
QOTD: How do you determine which day you will do your speed work run of the week? Do you plan a activity recovery run the day after or a complete rest day? What other factors do you consider?

I've been following a Hansons plan for a few years, so my speed work is on Tuesday, followed by a rest day. Thursdays are for tempo runs, and long runs are on Sundays.
 
QOTD: My “speed” work on the track day is traditionally Thursday, followed by a cross training day, rest day, LR on Sunday. But I haven’t been out there since spring. I use the track at my boys’ school, and they host tons of camps there in the summer. I’m just not going to be that slow old lady trudging around the track while high school/college XC, lacrosse or soccer players are doing their thing. Luckily school starts back in a couple of weeks.

I have been good about going to OTF this summer, even increasing my membership to go more often including while on vacation. My base, push and all out paces are up since I started, so I’m counting that as speed work.
 
We are planning a weekend trip to Flagstaff with some friends in a few weeks and for fun I googled to see if there was a race that weekend -- of course there is. And now I am debating signing up for it because it's been a few months since I have raced and I can't wait another 40 days until my next race. Being a runner is so weird.
 
We are planning a weekend trip to Flagstaff with some friends in a few weeks and for fun I googled to see if there was a race that weekend -- of course there is. And now I am debating signing up for it because it's been a few months since I have raced and I can't wait another 40 days until my next race. Being a runner is so weird.

Do it!!!!!!!
 
QOTD: How do you determine which day you will do your speed work run of the week? Do you plan a activity recovery run the day after or a complete rest day? What other factors do you consider?

It depends on the availability during the week and the weekend. For me personally, I've done schedules with a classic Hansons design of:

R- M or HM Tempo
F- Easy
Sa- Long Easy
Su- Long Run (or Hybrid LR)
M- Easy
Tu- Speed (5k or GP - 10 sec)
W- OFF
R- M or HM Tempo

But then my wife moved her late night day to Monday's. So I had to move the off day from Wed to Mon.

R- M or HM Tempo
F- Easy
Sa- Long Easy
Su- Long Run (or Hybrid LR)
M- OFF
Tu- Speed (5k or GP - 10 sec)
W- Easy
R- M or HM Tempo

It kind of changed the concept of the week. In the first set, it was more like M Tempo (early stage of race). Then build fatigue into the LR (late stage of race). Then hold on for the speed work at the end of the "week" on the 6th day (kick of race). But then the change to a Monday off made it more like a Speed day to start, then build fatigue into a M Tempo, and then build even more fatigue into the Long Run being the 6th workout. When the change occurred, my speed days got significantly easier and my LRs got significantly harder. Interestingly, the M Tempo seemed easier with the day proceeding it and was a concept I was sure to carry forward when race day approached (having the easy day prior to a race day instead of an off day).

When I started incorporating Daniels concepts the idea mostly stayed the same. He does present a reasonable argument for stacking two speed days back to back. The key being that his speed days are mile/3k pacing. From memory, the concept is based around the idea that DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) occurs later for those speed days (like after 48 hours) and thus challenging yourself with a second speed day immediately proceeding the first (thus being within 12-36 hours) was actually beneficial because he felt you could get two really hard workouts in. In practice, I never found this to be true. I never actually went forward with these stacked speed days primarily because early in the plan per schedule they are separated by that easy day. When I did it with the separated easy day, I never felt like on that actual easy day I could have pushed it to another speed day. But the concept seems plausible on the surface.

For me right now, I'm using a 6 day run with only 2 hard days. Those hard days occur on Wednesday and Sunday. I'm off on Mondays. Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday are almost always 60 min easy days. Saturday is either a 60 min easy or 90 min longer fatigue inducing easy.

For my purpose of writing for others, I don't put two speed or hard of any kind on consecutive days. Either a 60 min or less easy, or an off day. But it usually goes back to the person's schedule. The variety of available days and how much time on those days truly dictates how I write the schedule. And even beyond the weekly availability, I've been known to stagger the "speed" or hard day on a week to week basis with the idea of allowing more or less recovery from the LR on the weekend. And on some occasions, I've switched out the LRs for a speed day. That usually occurs when the person has almost no availability during the week and only massive time on the weekend. I like to have that speed workout longer in duration than 60 min (with plenty of easy WU/CD or RI making up that duration). But when a person doesn't have more than 60 min on any single weekday, then I've placed that speed day on some sort of 2:1 or 3:1 or 4:1 rotating schedule with the Long Runs. Lots of ways to accomplish a similar goal.
 
Oddly enough, typing the answer made this pop into my head: "Will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays?" Extra points if you don't have to Google it!

Can't put my finger on the song, but I think it was by either the Beatles or Paul McCartney & Wings

ETA: Had to Google it to be sure. I blew it!
 
ATTQOTD: I'm the odd duck @DopeyBadger disciple. My speed workouts are Wednesday (after two easy buildup days on Monday-Tuesday), followed by a rest day on Thursday, an easy day on Friday and then my long run day on Saturday. Maybe I'm odd in that I also take my Sundays off? I might change that for when my marathon training plan begins in September, but on the other hand I like having two days off and Sundays for time with my family...

I have Monday off, but next plan I want to change it Sunday. I want one day that I can sleep in, maybe make it to church and hangout with the family.
 
ATTQOTD: I have not done any speed work so far and I'm going to have to do some reading before I can incorporate it into my training plan (I've got to start writing my own in September and I figure I'll just write a month at a time rather than try to guess where I'll be four or six months out). Saturday's the only day when I have both time and energy for a long run, so Saturday's out. Right now I don't plan to start running more than three days per week, so that leaves either Tuesday or Thursday as a speed day, with the remaining one staying an easy/maintenance run of half an hour.
 
ATTQOTD:


This!

Long answer: Sundays and Wednesday are rest days. Mondays and Fridays are easy days. Saturday is long run day. Tuesdays and Thursdays are SOS (something of substance) days.

I realize that was chronologically confusing. To simplify: SOS days are always bracketed by a rest day and an easy day.

Oddly enough, typing the answer made this pop into my head: "Will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays?" Extra points if you don't have to Google it!

I had no clue so I Googled. :D
 
We are planning a weekend trip to Flagstaff with some friends in a few weeks and for fun I googled to see if there was a race that weekend -- of course there is. And now I am debating signing up for it because it's been a few months since I have raced and I can't wait another 40 days until my next race. Being a runner is so weird.

Not weird at all. Anytime I travel I try to find a race and if it is just a short work trip that isn't over a weekend I make sure to get at least one run in.
 
ATTQOTD: I do speedwork on whichever day I feel like doing it (if at all!). Usually, that's a day I have to be on the treadmill, because it makes treadmill runs more interesting to run them as a workout, and because I generally don't do "quality" runs outside.

As I enter my 7th year of semi-serious running (1500-2500 miles/year), I'm finding I can train by feel and have results essentially similar to prior years using a more formal schedule. I've also been reading Matt Fitzgerald's RUN: The Mind-Body Method of Running by Feel, which discusses this technique, and notes that some pros use it. While I've had good results with formal training plans (chiefly Hansons) in the past, I always disliked having to run a fixed schedule, and it tended to take the fun out of running. These days, I just head out for a run and decide on pace as I go. So far, I'm really enjoying it. I'd encourage anyone dealing with burnout not to be afraid to mix up their training and try something new. There's no one magic plan that works best for all of us.
 
ATTQOTD: I suppose I have a multi phase goal, but ultimately, each phase points towards Marathon Weekend.

1. Finish the 60 Miles for 60 Years virtual running challenge the San Francisco Giants are doing to celebrate their 60th anniversary in San Francisco. I need to run 60 miles before the baseball All Star break.

2. Finish the virtual shorts summer racing series in August. Although confession time, if an injury were to happen that took away my ability to run a 5K in July and August, I can feel like I earned the medals since I have made multiple 3.1+ mile runs in June.

3. Register for and settle on a training plan for marathon weekend. My mind is battling between the Galloway plan or going for a @DopeyBadger custom plan which utilizes substantially longer runs of 5-6 hours for marathon training. I feel like the only way I will now how to deal with running for that kind of time period will be to have actually dealt with it before the race comes. And since I've paged him, I appreciate his thoughts on the matter.

1. Check. This also wound up creating a new goal of running the San Francisco Giant Race in September.
2. Check.
3. Check. Currently using a @DopeyBadger plan for the aforementioned San Francisco Giant Race.

ATTQOTD: I'm the odd duck @DopeyBadger disciple. My speed workouts are Wednesday (after two easy buildup days on Monday-Tuesday), followed by a rest day on Thursday, an easy day on Friday and then my long run day on Saturday. Maybe I'm odd in that I also take my Sundays off? I might change that for when my marathon training plan begins in September, but on the other hand I like having two days off and Sundays for time with my family...
I also take Sundays off. I've never trained on Sundays for any of my races. While this is my first custom plan, he designed it to have no Sundays aside from race day.
 
Dang, I was counting on you two!

Now I really feel old. Well, except that I ran a kick-A$$ 3x1.5 mile half marathon tempo run today and hit every interval!

I should’ve gotten it and kicked myself as soon as I saw who it was! I love C,S, N (and sometimes Y) and can hear the song now. Their “Southern Cross” is one of my all time favorite songs.
 
Well, gonna have to resurrect that triathlon thread next year.

Just registered for the Naperville Sprint Triathlon for Aug 2019.

People do crazy things when faced with a low introductory price. That or all the extra marathon training miles has made me loopy.
Guess I know what I'm asking Santa for this year :moped:
 
Well, gonna have to resurrect that triathlon thread next year.

Just registered for the Naperville Sprint Triathlon for Aug 2019.

People do crazy things when faced with a low introductory price. That or all the extra marathon training miles has made me loopy.
Guess I know what I'm asking Santa for this year :moped:

Get ready - tri's (and tri training!) is addictive! I'd rather train for a tri than I would for a road race at this point ... if I was able to train for anything at all at this point. :(
 

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