I love credit cards so much!

Status
Not open for further replies.
I got mine a week ago and have $4200 more to put on it. However, I am really second guessing my decision to get this card. I love Starwood hotels and I really should not have ventured into a new hotel chain so I can keep my rewards focused with Starwood. Plus, the points for the Hilton card are so limited in how they can be used (effectively at least). No membership rewards. Gah, should have opened a different Amex. Sure, lower points but useful ones for myself. I'm sure it will be useful to you, just talking about my own situation.

@mefordis, the Hilton Biz card is about as good a choice as you could've made in your situation. You've been approved, don't second guess yourself now. Besides, the 125,000 HHs offer is the highest offer on that card, so even if you don't have any plans for the points, you've got those points in reserve in case anything unexpectedly comes up.

You mention you love Starwood hotels, but there aren't too many good options for you to earn rewards with Marriott or SPG right now through credit card signup bonuses.

You said you opened the following credit cards in the past 24 months:

Chase Marriott Dec-17
Chase Unlimited Dec-17
SPG Amex Business Nov-17
Barclay Jetblue Nov-17
Chase United MPE Nov-17
Bank of America MC Dec-16
Chase Sapphire Preferred Jul-16

You're over 5/24 and you opened the Chase Marriott Premier in 12/17, so you can't get the new Marriott Premier Plus card's signup bonus (I know you took the upgrade bonus). You could try for the Chase Marriott Premier Business card, which is not subject to 5/24, and comes with a 75,000 Marriott Rewards points bonus after $3k/3 months MSR, for a $99 AF waived in the first year.

As for SPG cards, you signed up for the SPG Biz in 11/17 right after the 35k Starpoints offer ended, so you took the 25k Starpoints but that precluded you from going for the higher 35k Starpoints offer when it came around again in 3/18. Because of Amex's one bonus per product/per lifetime rule, you likely won't be able to get another bonus on the SPG Biz again. (There's a chance Amex may release a new biz "product" after the Marriott merger is complete that you might qualify for; or the SPG Biz may be force converted to a new card, in which case you won't.) You also missed going for the SPG Personal card while the offer was still 25k Starpoints (public) or 30k Starpoints (incognito), and the current "$200" statement credit offer is terrible and not worth burning a slot for this card. (But that means you should be eligible for a bonus on the SPG Personal if a better offer comes along.) As I posted to @pinkxray above, wait and see after 8/1/18. Marriott/SPG/Ritz-Carlton is supposed to merge their rewards programs then and we might see Amex issuing SPG cards with points bonuses under the new rewards program. Amex is also expected to release the new SPG Luxury Card, which is a high-end credit card that could come with a big signup bonus.

The important thing is the Hilton Biz will have almost no effect on any plans to accrue Marriott/SPG rewards in the coming months. Because the Hilton Biz is an Amex business card, it won't report to your personal credit reports or count against 5/24 with Chase; so if you are conservative with your personal credit card applications and focus on new business cards, you may eventually get back under 5/24 to be approved for Chase cards again. In the meantime, the Chase Marriott Biz should still be available to you and DH. However, the Hilton Biz counts as a "credit card" for Amex, so if you plan to go for the SPG Personal and Luxury cards if they offer a points signup bonus after 8/1/18, then you need to count the Hilton Biz so that you're not applying for more than 2 Amex credit cards in a 90 day period.

Good luck, and please talk to us so you can avoid mistakes or regret.
 
Last edited:
I don't know if anyone recalls but I have decided to buy into DVC with a small contract to start. After researching it all (new obsession) I am now on the waiting list to buy direct from Disney one of the upcoming user years to Bay Lake Tower. So, if and when they call, can anyone verify that purchases direct to Disney do code as travel on the CSR? I am going to divide the purchase onto a couple different cards for the points and if it codes as 3 times with Chase some will go on both mine and DH's CSR.

Also (@Lain and anyone else interested) the direct incentives to buy into Aulani are really good right now. If you have any interest at all...
https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/special-offers/
 
Well, kinda. CIU won't show as an account on a personal credit report, so won't count against 5/24; but CFU would show and count. However, you'll get a hard inquiry from Chase for either card.

i thought chase biz cards dont hard pull from personal with the exception of Capital one.
 
i thought chase biz cards dont hard pull from personal with the exception of Capital one.

Nope, Chase does make a hard pull on biz apps. Just checked and I'm seeing a new inquiry from Chase on EX and EQ right after my CIC application.
 
Nope, Chase does make a hard pull on biz apps. Just checked and I'm seeing a new inquiry from Chase on EX and EQ right after my CIC application.

weird. i dont have a pull for my CI+. i guess ill find out when i go for the CIP.
 
Here's my take on the CIU -- the only thing really exciting about it is the big $500/50,000 UR signup bonus. Its featured benefit is the same as the CFU -- 1.5x UR on every purchase.

A lot of people already have the CFU because that's a popular no fee card to downgrade a Sapphire fee card to. There's no reason to hold two 1.5x UR cards (the CFU and the CIU) when there's no cap on how much you can earn on either one card. And relatedly, just like how the CFU is a card one typically downgrades to, rather signs up for; the CIU has that same problem.

@SouthFayetteFan is right that the CIU is at best a 3rd choice business card. And when most people are looking at Chase approving them for only 2-3 business cards, without signing up for EINs to apply for more under, they have to be picky. The CIP offers a much more lucrative 80,000 UR (100k UR in branch/120k UR targeted) signup bonus, and the CIC currently has the same 50,000 UR bonus offer. But more importantly, the CIP and CIC offer useful benefits that are complimentary to a well-rounded wallet of other Chase cards, not duplicative. This ignores the SW Biz and Marriott Biz, which offer their own lucrative bonuses and would get you around the new One SW (Personal) Card and One Marriott (Personal) Card rules.

The CIP earns 3x UR on Plastiq; cable/internet/phone, which overlaps the CIC's 5x UR bonus category, but includes phone insurance that is not offered on the CIC; and eBay seller fees and eBay shipping, along with shipping through USPS/UPS/FedEx. The CIC earns 5x UR at office supply stores, which is great for physical gift cards; cable/internet/phone for apps like Gyft, Swych, and services like Netflix and Hulu; and 2x UR on gas. If you're trying to carry a wallet that has a Chase card for almost everything, it'd probably include the CSR (3x UR on dining and travel, and 1.5x redemption), CIP (3x UR on Plastiq for bills you can't pay with a credit card, and your cell phone bill for the insurance), CIC (5x UR on gift cards to places where you dine and shop), CF (probably downgraded from some other card for 5x UR quarterly bonus categories) -- and if all these other cards can't earn you 3x or 5x UR on some kind of payment, then it helps to have a "better than 1x" CFU or CIU for 1.5x UR on everything else.

1.5x UR on everything is simply not exciting when people can do better by being more aware of the category of their purchases and using the right card from a mix of Chase's other cards that'll earn you the best bonus. The CFU and CIU are the cards you throw spend on when its in a category that doesn't earn 3x or 5x UR on any of your other Chase cards. And arguably, you could do better by putting that miscellaneous spend towards a new card's MSR.

All that said, I will probably sign my DW up for a CIU. Here's why:

- We don't have the CFU, so no 1.5x UR on everything card.
- DW only has 1 Chase business card, the CIP, which she doesn't get much use out of, so the plan was to cancel or downgrade it to a no fee card after a year.
- I already have the CIC, and don't foresee needing a second CIC in the household for going past the $25,000 cap on the 5x UR bonus.
- The CIU is a no fee card.
- It's more lucrative to sign up for the CIU with a 50,000 UR signup bonus than get nothing for downgrading CIP>CIU. (I can eventually cancel the CIP and free up a slot of other biz cards.)
- The CIU is a biz card that won't add to DW's 5/24 count.
- The CIU is a biz card, so I can request an "employee card" for myself without adding to my 5/24 count.
- The CIU is simple to understand for my reluctant Player 2: "CSR for travel and dining. CIU for everything else." Asking DW to remember where to use only 2 cards would help her out a lot.


Thanks for the detailed analysis!
 
I wish mine was that low...I fell like we don't use much power and mine is double yours. I guess different parts of the country have different rates.
We have a propane bill also, if that makes you feel any better. We have 4600 sq ft so I feel like we do really well.
 
I don't know if anyone recalls but I have decided to buy into DVC with a small contract to start. After researching it all (new obsession) I am now on the waiting list to buy direct from Disney one of the upcoming user years to Bay Lake Tower. So, if and when they call, can anyone verify that purchases direct to Disney do code as travel on the CSR? I am going to divide the purchase onto a couple different cards for the points and if it codes as 3 times with Chase some will go on both mine and DH's CSR.

Also (@Lain and anyone else interested) the direct incentives to buy into Aulani are really good right now. If you have any interest at all...
https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/special-offers/
Congrats on DVC...we purchased in 2001...one of the best decisions we ever made for our family....sorry can’t help with how the purchase codes
 
I don't know if anyone recalls but I have decided to buy into DVC with a small contract to start. After researching it all (new obsession) I am now on the waiting list to buy direct from Disney one of the upcoming user years to Bay Lake Tower. So, if and when they call, can anyone verify that purchases direct to Disney do code as travel on the CSR? I am going to divide the purchase onto a couple different cards for the points and if it codes as 3 times with Chase some will go on both mine and DH's CSR.

Also (@Lain and anyone else interested) the direct incentives to buy into Aulani are really good right now. If you have any interest at all...
https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/special-offers/

Congrats on DVC...we purchased in 2001...one of the best decisions we ever made for our family....sorry can’t help with how the purchase codes

I can’t say for sure how a DVC points purchase will code, but I can say with certainty that annual dues payments on DVC points do code as travel for purposes of 3x on the CSR.
 
I don't know if anyone recalls but I have decided to buy into DVC with a small contract to start. After researching it all (new obsession) I am now on the waiting list to buy direct from Disney one of the upcoming user years to Bay Lake Tower. So, if and when they call, can anyone verify that purchases direct to Disney do code as travel on the CSR? I am going to divide the purchase onto a couple different cards for the points and if it codes as 3 times with Chase some will go on both mine and DH's CSR.

Also (@Lain and anyone else interested) the direct incentives to buy into Aulani are really good right now. If you have any interest at all...
https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/special-offers/

I can confirm that it did code as travel on the CSR for our DVC purchase in Sept of 2017, so I think you should be set!
 
amex co brand or amex MRs. Amex co brand are a bit more relaxed vs amex MR cards. consensus is not to buy visa gift cards. any type of GC is okay with co brands, im not sure about MRs.
I have a level3 DP where i bought a $100 GC, i did receive points for it.

Lastly, avoid if your still making MSR

Are you saying not to do the Lowes or Staples 10% deals for giftcards on an MR card to meet the MSR? Even for Target/Amazon/Chipotle cards?
 
Thanks! Yes, much better deal than Plastiq. Hmmm, with $600 I could prepay our electric for a bit since this month’s bill was only $89.

That’s definitely decent lol. But I will say, temperature wise, it’s been pretty mild for us in MD. Had some very nice days :)

Wait til someone flips the summer switch. As you know, the humidity...:crazy2: that $600 prepaid credit won’t last me 5-6 months like it did the last few months haha.
 
@mefordis, the Hilton Biz card is about as good a choice as you could've made in your situation. You've been approved, don't second guess yourself now. Besides, the 125,000 HHs offer is the highest offer on that card, so even if you don't have any plans for the points, you've got those points in reserve in case anything unexpectedly comes up.

You mention you love Starwood hotels, but there aren't too many good options for you to earn rewards with Marriott or SPG right now through credit card signup bonuses.

You said you opened the following credit cards in the past 24 months:

Chase Marriott Dec-17
Chase Unlimited Dec-17
SPG Amex Business Nov-17
Barclay Jetblue Nov-17
Chase United MPE Nov-17
Bank of America MC Dec-16
Chase Sapphire Preferred Jul-16

Thanks. I really need to hear that reassurance. The Hilton bonus is better than putting my 7k expense (dog surgery) on an spg for only 1 point per $.


You're over 5/24 and you opened the Chase Marriott Premier in 12/17, so you can't get the new Marriott Premier Plus card's signup bonus (I know you took the upgrade bonus). You could try for the Chase Marriott Premier Business card, which is not subject to 5/24, and comes with a 75,000 Marriott Rewards points bonus after $3k/3 months MSR, for a $99 AF waived in the first year.

As for SPG cards, you signed up for the SPG Biz in 11/17 right after the 35k Starpoints offer ended, so you took the 25k Starpoints but that precluded you from going for the higher 35k Starpoints offer when it came around again in 3/18. Because of Amex's one bonus per product/per lifetime rule, you likely won't be able to get another bonus on the SPG Biz again. (There's a chance Amex may release a new biz "product" after the Marriott merger is complete that you might qualify for; or the SPG Biz may be force converted to a new card, in which case you won't.) You also missed going for the SPG Personal card while the offer was still 25k Starpoints (public) or 30k Starpoints (incognito), and the current "$200" statement credit offer is terrible and not worth burning a slot for this card. (But that means you should be eligible for a bonus on the SPG Personal if a better offer comes along.) As I posted to @pinkxray above, wait and see after 8/1/18. Marriott/SPG/Ritz-Carlton is supposed to merge their rewards programs then and we might see Amex issuing SPG cards with points bonuses under the new rewards program. Amex is also expected to release the new SPG Luxury Card, which is a high-end credit card that could come with a big signup bonus.

The important thing is the Hilton Biz will have almost no effect on any plans to accrue Marriott/SPG rewards in the coming months. Because the Hilton Biz is an Amex business card, it won't report to your personal credit reports or count against 5/24 with Chase; so if you are conservative with your personal credit card applications and focus on new business cards, you may eventually get back under 5/24 to be approved for Chase cards again. In the meantime, the Chase Marriott Biz should still be available to you and DH. However, the Hilton Biz counts as a "credit card" for Amex, so if you plan to go for the SPG Personal and Luxury cards if they offer a points signup bonus after 8/1/18, then you need to count the Hilton Biz so that you're not applying for more than 2 Amex credit cards in a 90 day period.

Good luck, and please talk to us so you can avoid mistakes or regret.

I am going to hold out for an Amex offer that might come up for SPG. I have applied for a lot in the last 6-8 months so I probably should cool it for a while. Thanks for the reassurance and guidance. :)
 
With all this talk of DL trips, has anyone (cough @Albort) heard when Black Tap will be opening in Downtown Disney? I haven't heard any updates which is making me think not soon :(
Word on the street is it's opening late this year. I think you're going next month? Sorry you will miss it!
 
Are you saying not to do the Lowes or Staples 10% deals for giftcards on an MR card to meet the MSR? Even for Target/Amazon/Chipotle cards?

Lowes is okay because it doesnt send L3 data to Amex. Staples does however. I do not have an MR card so i cannot say for sure if it earns MR or not. It works fine on everyday spendings on the SPG personal/Biz card. I wouldnt give Amex a reason to deny your sign up bonus, its better to avoid just in case.
 
The "$200" statement credit is so terrible compared to the 25k/35k Starpoints offers back before April. I agree with @Albort that you might want to wait on the SPG Biz until after 8/1/18. Rumor is Amex will continue issuing the SPG biz and personal, in addition to a new luxury card, into next year when the Marriott/SPG/Ritz-Carlton brands completely merge, and that Amex will have rich signup bonuses coming:
Yes, the Starwood Amex Really Will Stop Taking Applications Next Year, Bet On It
American Express WON’T Continue To Issue Personal SPG Cards Long Term (Rich Sign Up Bonus To Come)
Amex SPG Personal Card Won’t Be Discontinued & Rich Signup Bonus Coming Soon

In the meantime, what do you think of the Amex Blue Business Plus (BBP), which has a 20,000 MR targeted offer after a $5k/3 months MSR, or a 10,000 MR offer via referral after a $3k/3 months MSR. The BBP has no fee so makes for a great card to park MR points, won't report to your personal credit report or count against 5/24, and earns 2x MR on every purchase up to $50k.

Or the Hilton Biz, which has a high offer of 125,000 HH points + $50 statement credit after a $5k/3 months MSR.
@pinkxray What about the Business Gold Rewards card? It has a 50,000 MR bonus for $5k/3 month spend. MRs can be transferred to SPG at a 3:1 rate. I've been getting some decent AMEX deals on this card lately.
ETA: AF is waived the first year
 
Lowes is okay because it doesnt send L3 data to Amex. Staples does however. I do not have an MR card so i cannot say for sure if it earns MR or not. It works fine on everyday spendings on the SPG personal/Biz card. I wouldnt give Amex a reason to deny your sign up bonus, its better to avoid just in case.
Ok so Lowe’s only? That’s ok it’s much closer my house than Staples.
 
Thanks! I have Pirates on my mind, thanks to @calypso726 pirate::laughing:

Hahaha! :rotfl2:

Well I’m not wearing my pirate patch but here is a picture for those wondering what the first class seat looks like in JAL. We used AA miles to redeem this award flight. Their jammies are the best so far! Pic is with Tokyo Disney SEA gear not Japan Air jammies gear :-)

The 1st class lounge at Narita was awesome and they had 3 sushi chefs preparing and serving fresh sushi in the lounge.

B19E02C3-3589-4FE0-AB69-089E0159E7E8.jpeg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

GET A DISNEY VACATION QUOTE

Dreams Unlimited Travel is committed to providing you with the very best vacation planning experience possible. Our Vacation Planners are experts and will share their honest advice to help you have a magical vacation.

Let us help you with your next Disney Vacation!











facebook twitter
Top