Disney Skyliner (Gondola Transportation System) Read Post 1 Now Open!

[rteetz]

The gondolas will work. However, There seem to be a lot of people expecting them to run flawlessly, with perfectly matched capacities, with no lines, and no weather issues. People don't get stranded at bus stops during a thunder storm. But I guarantee you Disney knows they will have stranded people at the CBR station during them. I would assume/hope they will have backup bus stops there.

Disney has thought through those scenarios. But, c'mon, people come unglued when they don't have towel animals on their bed at night. The twitter storm when the first breakdown happens, in a storm, or 100 degree weather and a broken AC will be huge.

-J

What is your goal with this argument? Why not wait and see until it opens before making all of these assumptions.

Also these aren't supposed to have A/C in them.

 

[Roxyfire]

The gondolas will work. However, There seem to be a lot of people expecting them to run flawlessly, with perfectly matched capacities, with no lines, and no weather issues. People don't get stranded at bus stops during a thunder storm. But I guarantee you Disney knows they will have stranded people at the CBR station during them. I would assume/hope they will have backup bus stops there.

Disney has thought through those scenarios. But, c'mon, people come unglued when they don't have towel animals on their bed at night. The twitter storm when the first breakdown happens, in a storm, or 100 degree weather and a broken AC will be huge.

-J

I don't think anyone assumes flawlessness. However, I do think they've thought of a lot of these contingencies that people "cleverly" think up. I just don't think we're going to have all the answers until it's actually going. All we can do is speculate. I don't see any point in being contrarian about something we don't even have full details about. One thing we can rely upon is people complaining. No matter what, people will go onto social media and forums like this and complain whether or not it's warranted. Doesn't mean they are always taken seriously 100% of the time.

 

[GADisneyDad14]

Have not followed this thread so apologies if out of context for the discussion, but spent a night at AOA last weekend and took some Gondola construction pics. This was early in the AM so lighting isn't great, but FWIW!

 

[Doberge]

Maybe a load system more like Kali River Rapids?

 

[rastuso]

Have not followed this thread so apologies if out of context for the discussion, but spent a night at AOA last weekend and took some Gondola construction pics. This was early in the AM so lighting isn't great, but FWIW!


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They sure are moving fast on this. Universal finally lit a fire under their rear, apparently.

 

[Hootenany]

My little guy and I were watching Coco last night. He pointed out the gondolas in the movie. He mentioned that there are also gondolas in the movie Zootopia.

Now we are wondering if the gondolas at Disney World are going to be decorated/ themed?

 

[rteetz]

They sure are moving fast on this. Universal finally lit a fire under their rear, apparently.

Gondola systems don't take that long to be constructed. That said this won't open until Spring/Summer 2019

My little guy and I were watching Coco last night. He pointed out the gondolas in the movie. He mentioned that there are also gondolas in the movie Zootopia.

Now we are wondering if the gondolas at Disney World are going to be decorated/ themed?

Yes they will be. If you look at the first page there is concept art of it.

 

[Hootenany]

Yes they will be. If you look at the first page there is concept art of it.

Oh! I saw the concept art and just thought the characters were there to "cutesy up" the images of the gondolas. I love it! Do you know if the 4 designs on page 1 are the only character designs that will be on the gondolas, or will we see other characters added?

 

[rteetz]

Oh! I saw the concept art and just thought the characters were there to "cutesy up" the images of the gondolas. I love it! Do you know if the 4 designs on page 1 are the only character designs that will be on the gondolas, or will we see other characters added?

We will see several different characters. That is just 4 examples.

 

[Hootenany]

We will see several different characters. That is just 4 examples.

This makes me so happy! I haven't really paid much attention to the development of the gondola system, but now I am super excited for it to be up and running!
Thanks for the info!

 

[rastuso]

What is your goal with this argument? Why not wait and see until it opens before making all of these assumptions.

Also these aren't supposed to have A/C in them.

My discussion is simply on how the gondolas seem to be being touted as a perfect solution to Disney's transportation mess. Plenty of all positive assumptions. Just giving my no so positive assumptions as counterbalance. THat's sorta what a discussion is.

I hadn't heard that no A/C was confirmed. If so, that makes these an even worse idea. Better be perfect operations. In humid situations, airflow does little to cool you off. But even 5 minutes stopped in August sun, in a small cabin with 7 others, will be horrible. The Texas State Fair has one that is quite short, but only operates in October for the most part. I'm not aware of many that are in really hot areas. I know the one I rode in Tokyo at Yomiuri Land in the summer had no, or a broken A/C, and was miserable.

I just personally see these as possibly going down as an epically bad decision for Disney.

-J

 

[rteetz]

My discussion is simply on how the gondolas seem to be being touted as a perfect solution to Disney's transportation mess. Plenty of all positive assumptions. Just giving my no so positive assumptions as counterbalance. THat's sorta what a discussion is.

I hadn't heard that no A/C was confirmed. If so, that makes these an even worse idea. Better be perfect operations. In humid situations, airflow does little to cool you off. But even 5 minutes stopped in August sun, in a small cabin with 7 others, will be horrible. The Texas State Fair has one that is quite short, but only operates in October for the most part. I'm not aware of many that are in really hot areas. I know the one I rode in Tokyo at Yomiuri Land in the summer had no, or a broken A/C, and was miserable.

I just personally see these as possibly going down as an epically bad decision for Disney.

-J

If I remember correctly you were especially negative about Pandora and now especially negative about the Skyliner... I notice trends...

I would wait and see before making certain assumptions but I guess thats just me.

 

[Turn the Page]

My discussion is simply on how the gondolas seem to be being touted as a perfect solution to Disney's transportation mess. Plenty of all positive assumptions. Just giving my no so positive assumptions as counterbalance. THat's sorta what a discussion is.

I hadn't heard that no A/C was confirmed. If so, that makes these an even worse idea. Better be perfect operations. In humid situations, airflow does little to cool you off. But even 5 minutes stopped in August sun, in a small cabin with 7 others, will be horrible. The Texas State Fair has one that is quite short, but only operates in October for the most part. I'm not aware of many that are in really hot areas. I know the one I rode in Tokyo at Yomiuri Land in the summer had no, or a broken A/C, and was miserable.

I just personally see these as possibly going down as an epically bad decision for Disney.

-J

https://www.curbed.com/2017/9/21/16340394/urban-gondolas-cable-cars-cities

Here ya go. I believe 9 on this list are in areas that see some heat. I have no idea if they are air conditioned or not though.

 

[rastuso]

https://www.curbed.com/2017/9/21/16340394/urban-gondolas-cable-cars-cities

Here ya go. I believe 9 on this list are in areas that see some heat. I have no idea if they are air conditioned or not though.

Interestings systems. However, I hold Disney to higher standards than Columbia and Venezuela. The Emirates one in London does say strollers and wheelchairs must be flattened before riding.

The Singapore system has no A/C, and Singapore is brutal hot. But a friend of mine who went said that is the reason he chose not to ride it. As it goes to the island Universal Studios is on, it is slightly comparable. But, locals are used to the weather. Many Orlando visitors are not. It also says it can operate in basically 30 mph winds. Of course, how many folks would get on them with 20 mph winds at Disney is another story.

You could see some othershave solar panels and what looked to be filter intakes, so I'd assume they have A/C, but maybe not. But regardless, I doubt sweaty parents will take consolation in knowing the Disney system is just as good as some in South American's poorest countries.

It will be interesting. I think Disney is going to have to do some serious pushing to get folks to leave A/C'd busses to ride in a hot sweaty gondola six months out of the year.

 

[rastuso]

If I remember correctly you were especially negative about Pandora and now especially negative about the Skyliner... I notice trends...

I would wait and see before making certain assumptions but I guess thats just me.

Actually you are making assumption too.

 

[rteetz]

Actually you are making assumption too.

Regarding?

 

[Q-man]

The gondolas will work. However, There seem to be a lot of people expecting them to run flawlessly, with perfectly matched capacities, with no lines, and no weather issues. People don't get stranded at bus stops during a thunder storm. But I guarantee you Disney knows they will have stranded people at the CBR station during them. I would assume/hope they will have backup bus stops there.

Disney has thought through those scenarios. But, c'mon, people come unglued when they don't have towel animals on their bed at night. The twitter storm when the first breakdown happens, in a storm, or 100 degree weather and a broken AC will be huge.

-J

Doppelmayr is saying capacity is 4K an hour per line. Disney is saying they expect to be able to move 3,200/hr per line which is 80% of capacity. This board is throwing around 5K an hour which is 62% of capacity. That doesn't seem like people are expecting flawless operation at full capacity.

You also keep talking about waiting in line for these. They can move a bus load of people in 60 seconds. Unless more than 60 people arrive within a few seconds of each other it is very unlike for it to take more than 90 seconds to get loaded. Also, keep in mind Disney likely drops bus service from this resorts to once an hour to these parks. Or puts them all on one loop making it a really long trip.

This all reminds of the post, a few months back, about in the opinion of posters on this board this will be either the worse gondola system ever or the most efficient one ever.

It is amazing that people can; ride parking lot shuttles, the MK train, walk, stand in lines, and stand for parades and shows in the heat for hours on end but a 10 minute gondola ride is going to be the death of everyone. How many times have we waited longer than 10 minutes for a bus in that heat?

Ryan might as well close this thread, for comments, until there is any new news as at this point we are just rehashing the same points over and over.

 

[danikoski]

Interestings systems. However, I hold Disney to higher standards than Columbia and Venezuela. The Emirates one in London does say strollers and wheelchairs must be flattened before riding.

The Singapore system has no A/C, and Singapore is brutal hot. But a friend of mine who went said that is the reason he chose not to ride it. As it goes to the island Universal Studios is on, it is slightly comparable. But, locals are used to the weather. Many Orlando visitors are not. It also says it can operate in basically 30 mph winds. Of course, how many folks would get on them with 20 mph winds at Disney is another story.

You could see some othershave solar panels and what looked to be filter intakes, so I'd assume they have A/C, but maybe not. But regardless, I doubt sweaty parents will take consolation in knowing the Disney system is just as good as some in South American's poorest countries.

It will be interesting. I think Disney is going to have to do some serious pushing to get folks to leave A/C'd busses to ride in a hot sweaty gondola six months out of the year.

The London line they ask the strollers be folded for space, but they can be pushed on. As can wheelchairs. I posted a while back a review by a guy who is in a motorized wheel chair who used the London line just fine. The stroller fold up is a policy choice, and whether Disney adopts or not, or enforces it, won't be known until the gondolas are operational. I believe the policy is that strollers are supposed to be folded up on the monorail, but no one really does. Also, I've seen people be asked to fold their strollers on the bigger boats between resorts at MK when it's a high crowd time.

Personally, I trust Doppelmayr way more than Disney. They built a lot of these and are experts in the field. They don't want to see this fail since it is their largest North American project to date. Will there be hiccups in running this, yes. Will it be disasterous, probably not.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Have not followed this thread so apologies if out of context for the discussion, but spent a night at AOA last weekend and took some Gondola construction pics. This was early in the AM so lighting isn't great, but FWIW!

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Thanks for sharing!

I don't think I realized how close some of the buildings will be to the towers/lines - definitely going to create a different view to see the cars going by!

 

[TheMaxRebo]

They sure are moving fast on this. Universal finally lit a fire under their rear, apparently.

The quicker these are done the quicker they can start charging more for staying at Pop and AoA as they are now "gondola resorts" instead of regular old "Value Resorts" ... so that increases the flames of motivation